The Argument Index
Debate potential by speaker, the highest-scored statement each year, and the companies with the most bearish calls on record. All of it clickable, all of it playable.
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Average debate potential by speaker
All 234 guests with 5 or more scored statements, ranked. 93 more have fewer than 5, too few for a fair average, and the host is scored on his own page. Sort or filter below.
| # | Person | Avg debate potential | Statements scored |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | David Barrett Founder & CEO, Expensify | 3.3 | 27 |
| 2 | Harry Stebbings Founder & Host, 20VC | 3.14 | 21 |
| 3 | Daniel Dines Founder & CEO, UiPath | 3 | 11 |
| 4 | Amjad Masad Co-founder & CEO, Replit | 2.88 | 16 |
| 5 | Martin Gontovnikas (Gonto) Co-Founder & General Partner, Hypergrowth Partners | 2.8 | 5 |
| 6 | Carlos Delatorre Chief Revenue Officer, Harness | 2.73 | 11 |
| 7 | Brett Queener Partner, Bonfire Ventures | 2.71 | 28 |
| 8 | Douwe Kiela Research Scientist Director, Google DeepMind | 2.71 | 7 |
| 9 | Guillaume Cabane Co-Founder & General Partner, HyperGrowth Partners | 2.65 | 37 |
| 10 | Russ Fraden CEO, DynamicSignal | 2.64 | 11 |
| 11 | Parker Conrad Co-founder & CEO, Rippling | 2.62 | 24 |
| 12 | Jennifer Lawrence Chief Revenue Officer, Redpanda | 2.6 | 10 |
| 13 | Gorkem Yurtseven Representative, Fal | 2.57 | 7 |
| 14 | Paul Adams Chief Product Officer, Intercom | 2.52 | 21 |
| 15 | Sharon Zhou VP of AI, AMD | 2.5 | 6 |
| 16 | Elena Verna Head of Growth, Lovable | 2.48 | 21 |
| 17 | Amit Bendov CEO and Co-Founder, Gong | 2.47 | 15 |
| 18 | Carles Reina VP of Sales, ElevenLabs | 2.47 | 15 |
| 19 | Chris Dean Executive, Treasury Prime | 2.43 | 14 |
| 20 | Arnaud Bonzom Founder & Managing Director, Black Mangroves | 2.43 | 7 |
| 21 | Kevin Dorsey CRO, Finally | 2.43 | 7 |
| 22 | Victor Riparbelli Co-Founder & CEO, Synthesia | 2.42 | 26 |
| 23 | Arsalan Tavakoli Co-Founder & SVP Field Engineering, Databricks | 2.4 | 10 |
| 24 | Jacob Jackson Machine Learning Engineer, Cursor | 2.4 | 5 |
| 25 | Ali Ghodsi CEO & Co-Founder, Databricks | 2.4 | 10 |
| 26 | Rory O'Driscoll General Partner, Scale Venture Partners | 2.38 | 21 |
| 27 | Brendon Cassidy Co-Founder, CoSell | 2.38 | 34 |
| 28 | Aaron Levie Co-Founder & CEO, Box | 2.37 | 43 |
| 29 | Dave McJannet Co-founder & CEO, Dome Systems | 2.36 | 11 |
| 30 | Dave Kellogg Executive in Residence, Balderton Capital | 2.35 | 74 |
| 31 | Abbas Haider Ali Chief Customer Officer, Atlassian | 2.33 | 6 |
| 32 | Latané Conant Chief Marketing Officer, Parloa | 2.33 | 6 |
| 33 | Chief Product Officer, Rubrik Chief Product Officer, Rubrik | 2.33 | 6 |
| 34 | Josh Browder Founder & CEO, DoNotPay | 2.31 | 13 |
| 35 | Howard Lerman Founder & CEO, Roam | 2.3 | 30 |
| 36 | Katie Burke COO, Harvey | 2.3 | 10 |
| 37 | Kareem Amin Co-founder & CEO, Clay | 2.29 | 7 |
| 38 | Jameson Yung SVP of International Sales, Rippling | 2.29 | 7 |
| 39 | Steve Sloan VP of AWS Marketing, Amazon | 2.29 | 7 |
| 40 | Ryan Anderson Co-Founder & CEO, Filevine | 2.26 | 19 |
| 41 | David Frankel Co-Founder & Managing Partner, Founder Collective | 2.25 | 8 |
| 42 | Lucy Fonseca | 2.25 | 8 |
| 43 | Dharmesh Shah Co-Founder and CTO, HubSpot | 2.25 | 28 |
| 44 | Aileen Lee Founder and Managing Partner, Cowboy Ventures | 2.25 | 16 |
| 45 | Vidya Peters CEO, DataSnipper | 2.25 | 20 |
| 46 | Emil Eifrem Co-Founder & CEO, Neo4j | 2.24 | 17 |
| 47 | Doug Pepper General Partner, ICONIQ Growth | 2.23 | 35 |
| 48 | Julian Lemoine Co-Founder and CTO, Algolia | 2.23 | 13 |
| 49 | Mario Rodriguez Chief Product Officer, GitHub | 2.22 | 9 |
| 50 | Dominic Grill Head of Technical Success, OpenAI | 2.22 | 9 |
| 51 | Marchelle Mooney VP of Sales, Mangomint | 2.21 | 34 |
| 52 | Eric Gunderson CEO, Mapbox | 2.21 | 14 |
| 53 | Daniel Laniado (Daniel Lang) | 2.2 | 10 |
| 54 | Shoaib Makani Co-Founder and CEO, Motive | 2.2 | 5 |
| 55 | Zach Coelius Managing Partner, Coelius Capital | 2.2 | 10 |
| 56 | Firmin Zocchetto Co-founder & CEO, PayFit | 2.2 | 10 |
| 57 | Maria Pergolino CMO & Senior VP, SPS Commerce | 2.2 | 5 |
| 58 | Matt Rissell CEO, Tsheets.com | 2.2 | 5 |
| 59 | Maggie Hott GTM Leader, OpenAI | 2.18 | 17 |
| 60 | David Sacks Founding General Partner, Craft Ventures | 2.17 | 18 |
| 61 | Cherishma Shah VP, GTM Strategy & Operations, Box | 2.17 | 6 |
| 62 | Leila Seka Advisor and Board Member | 2.17 | 6 |
| 63 | Jacob Effron Managing Director, Redpoint Ventures | 2.15 | 20 |
| 64 | Marc Benioff Chair, CEO & Co-Founder, Salesforce | 2.15 | 20 |
| 65 | Spenser Skates CEO and Co-Founder, Amplitude | 2.15 | 13 |
| 66 | Robert Lopez CEO, accessiBe | 2.15 | 13 |
| 67 | Stewart Butterfield Co-founder & Former CEO, Slack | 2.15 | 13 |
| 68 | Amelia Salyers Head of Storytelling, Notion | 2.14 | 7 |
| 69 | Arvind Nithrakashyap Co-founder & CTO, Rubrik | 2.14 | 7 |
| 70 | Adam Gross Board Director, Vimeo | 2.14 | 21 |
| 71 | Ryan Bonnici Chief Marketing Officer, Whereby | 2.14 | 14 |
| 72 | Ophelia Brown Founder & Managing Partner, Blossom Capital | 2.14 | 7 |
| 73 | Tomasz Tunguz Founder & General Partner, Theory Ventures | 2.13 | 30 |
| 74 | Loren Padelford President, Consumer Energy, Palmetto | 2.12 | 25 |
| 75 | Colin Jones CRO, Wiz | 2.12 | 8 |
| 76 | Irina Haivas Partner, Atomico | 2.12 | 8 |
| 77 | Jon Stewart CEO, MapAnything | 2.12 | 8 |
| 78 | Mark Roberge Co-Founder & Managing Director, Stage 2 Capital | 2.11 | 35 |
| 79 | Robert Vis Founder and CEO, Bird | 2.11 | 9 |
| 80 | Ron Gabrisko Chief Revenue Officer, Databricks | 2.1 | 10 |
| 81 | Mike Tamir SVP of ML/AI Engineering, Tubi | 2.1 | 10 |
| 82 | Merci Grace Co-Founder & CEO, Panobi | 2.1 | 20 |
| 83 | Kathy Lord Chief Revenue Officer, Zensai | 2.09 | 11 |
| 84 | Shishir Mehrotra Chief Executive Officer, Superhuman | 2.09 | 11 |
| 85 | Roelant Prins (Roland Prince) Chief Commercial Officer, Adyen | 2.09 | 11 |
| 86 | Amelia Ibarra Co-Host, The Agents | 2.08 | 75 |
| 87 | Raz Herzberg CMO & VP Product Strategy, Wiz | 2.08 | 13 |
| 88 | Dorian Stone Head of Organizations Revenue, Grammarly | 2.08 | 12 |
| 89 | Jyoti Bansal Co-Founder & CEO, Harness | 2.07 | 15 |
| 90 | Jeff Lawson CEO, Inertia | 2.07 | 27 |
| 91 | Dan Siroker | 2.07 | 14 |
| 92 | Sydney Sloan Chief Marketing Officer, G2 | 2.06 | 17 |
| 93 | Kyle Norton Chief Revenue Officer, Owner.com | 2.06 | 50 |
| 94 | Yamini Rangan CEO, HubSpot | 2.06 | 32 |
| 95 | Farhan Thawar VP & Head of Engineering, Shopify | 2.06 | 16 |
| 96 | Hande Cilingir Co-Founder and CEO, Insider One | 2.04 | 25 |
| 97 | Lars Nilsson Founder & CEO, SalesSource | 2.04 | 28 |
| 98 | Andy Wilson Co-founder & Former CEO, Logikcull | 2.04 | 23 |
| 99 | Ryan Smith Executive Chairman & Co-Founder, Qualtrics | 2.04 | 24 |
| 100 | Brian Halligan Co-Founder & Executive Chairperson, HubSpot | 2.02 | 61 |
| 101 | Sam Blond Co-Founder and CEO, Monaco | 2.01 | 152 |
| 102 | Amelia LeRutte Chief AI Officer, SaaStr | 2 | 28 |
| 103 | Eleanor Dorfman Head of Industries, Anthropic | 2 | 6 |
| 104 | Jason Boehmig Product Lead, OpenAI | 2 | 10 |
| 105 | Seema Amble Partner, Andreessen Horowitz | 2 | 10 |
| 106 | Karsten Holm VP of Pricing and Monetization, Splunk | 2 | 5 |
| 107 | Robert Lacher Founding Partner, Visionaries Club | 2 | 9 |
| 108 | Ashley Kelly VP of Global Sales Development, Rippling | 2 | 7 |
| 109 | Merve Nazlioglu CMO, Insider | 2 | 6 |
| 110 | Jenny Lee Managing Partner, GGV Capital | 2 | 9 |
| 111 | Mark Velthuis Founder and CEO, blankKANVAS | 2 | 9 |
| 112 | Hannah Wilson Chief Revenue Officer, Nooks | 2 | 5 |
| 113 | Alex Kayyal | 2 | 6 |
| 114 | Lauren Wright VP of Sales, Net Purpose | 2 | 5 |
| 115 | Veronika Riederle Co-founder & CEO, Demodesk | 2 | 5 |
| 116 | Asawari Samant VP of Marketing, Hasura | 2 | 6 |
| 117 | Carrie-Lou Dietrich Operating Partner, Growth, Andreessen Horowitz | 2 | 5 |
| 118 | Miki Alon Co-Founder and CEO, Foldspace AI | 2 | 5 |
| 119 | Elisa Steele Independent Corporate Board Member | 2 | 6 |
| 120 | Doug Song Co-founder & CEO, Song United | 2 | 5 |
| 121 | Jason Cohen Founder & Chief Innovation Officer, WP Engine | 2 | 13 |
| 122 | Darrell Benatar Co-Founder, UserTesting | 2 | 10 |
| 123 | Bob Marsh Chief Development Officer, ImpactEleven | 2 | 6 |
| 124 | Jay Simons General Partner, BOND | 2 | 12 |
| 125 | Christoph Janz Co-Founder & Partner, Point Nine | 1.97 | 35 |
| 126 | Alex Mashrabov Co-founder & CEO, Higgsfield AI | 1.96 | 24 |
| 127 | Matt Plank Chief Revenue Officer, Rippling | 1.96 | 23 |
| 128 | Sterling Snow Co-Founder & CEO, Redo | 1.95 | 22 |
| 129 | Patrick Campbell Founder & CEO, ProfitWell | 1.93 | 15 |
| 130 | Mathilde Collin Co-Founder & Executive Chair, Front | 1.93 | 15 |
| 131 | Eran Zinman Co-Founder & Co-CEO, monday.com | 1.92 | 38 |
| 132 | Julio Avalos Co-CEO, Observable | 1.92 | 12 |
| 133 | Wade Foster Co-founder & CEO, Zapier | 1.91 | 11 |
| 134 | Rob Giglio Chief Customer Officer, Canva | 1.91 | 11 |
| 135 | Ben Chestnut Co-founder & Former CEO, Mailchimp | 1.91 | 32 |
| 136 | Giancarlo Leonetti (GC) Chief Commercial Officer, OpenAI | 1.91 | 11 |
| 137 | Edith Harbaugh CEO & Co-founder, LaunchDarkly | 1.91 | 23 |
| 138 | Ben Braverman Co-Founder and Managing Partner, Saga Ventures | 1.91 | 11 |
| 139 | Agnes Bazin Board Member, Explain | 1.91 | 11 |
| 140 | Nick Mehta Board Member & Special Advisor, Gainsight | 1.9 | 40 |
| 141 | Sarah Patterson CMO, Samsara | 1.9 | 10 |
| 142 | Andrew Bialecki Co-Founder and Co-CEO, Klaviyo | 1.89 | 45 |
| 143 | Alex Clayton General Partner, Meritech Capital | 1.89 | 9 |
| 144 | Michael Pryor Board Member, Watsi | 1.89 | 9 |
| 145 | Dmitry Shevelenko Chief Business Officer, Perplexity | 1.88 | 17 |
| 146 | Graham Moreno Head of GTM, Parallel Web Systems | 1.88 | 8 |
| 147 | Michelle Benfer Managing Operating Partner, Francisco Partners Consulting | 1.88 | 17 |
| 148 | Ed Lenta VP, APJ, ClickHouse | 1.88 | 16 |
| 149 | Howie Liu Co-Founder & CEO, Airtable | 1.88 | 40 |
| 150 | Sanjay Beri Co-founder & CEO, Netskope | 1.88 | 17 |
| 151 | Sarah Kennedy VP, Google Cloud Marketing | 1.86 | 7 |
| 152 | Josh Reeves Co-Founder and CEO, Gusto | 1.86 | 7 |
| 153 | Scott Beechuk Partner, Norwest Venture Partners | 1.86 | 7 |
| 154 | Jen Knight Co-founder and CTO, AgentSync | 1.86 | 7 |
| 155 | John Strauss Advisor and Co-founder, Greenhouse Software | 1.86 | 7 |
| 156 | Henry Schuck Founder & CEO, ZoomInfo | 1.85 | 47 |
| 157 | Molly Alter Partner, Index Ventures | 1.85 | 20 |
| 158 | Chris Merritt Operating Partner, Peak XV Partners | 1.83 | 18 |
| 159 | Arun Matthew Partner, Accel | 1.83 | 6 |
| 160 | Pat Poels Chief Technology Officer, Built Technologies | 1.82 | 11 |
| 161 | Henrique Dubugras Co-Founder & Board Chair, Brex | 1.82 | 11 |
| 162 | Todd McKinnon Co-Founder and CEO, Okta | 1.81 | 16 |
| 163 | Carilu Dietrich Growth Advisor | 1.8 | 5 |
| 164 | Matt Mullenweg Founder & CEO, Automattic | 1.8 | 15 |
| 165 | Daryna Kulya Co-Founder & COO, OpenPhone | 1.8 | 5 |
| 166 | Mårten Mickos Board Chairman, Enfuce Financial Services | 1.8 | 15 |
| 167 | Javier Molina Head of Revenue, Nominal | 1.8 | 5 |
| 168 | Ciara Peter SVP of Product, Robin | 1.8 | 5 |
| 169 | Josh Stein Co-Founder and Managing Partner, Threshold Ventures | 1.8 | 10 |
| 170 | Justin Bedecarre CEO and Co-founder, Raise Commercial Real Estate | 1.79 | 14 |
| 171 | Kathy Choi Partner, Meritech Capital | 1.78 | 9 |
| 172 | Joe Thomas Co-Founder and CEO, Loom | 1.78 | 18 |
| 173 | Mark Wayland Former Chief Revenue Officer, Box | 1.78 | 18 |
| 174 | Denise Persson Chief Marketing Officer, Snowflake | 1.77 | 43 |
| 175 | Sameer Dholakia Partner, Bessemer Venture Partners | 1.75 | 8 |
| 176 | Christian Smith CRO, Splunk (former CRO, Brex) max 8 words -> CRO, Splunk max 2 words. role: | 1.75 | 8 |
| 177 | Bernadette Nixon CEO, NetBrain Technologies | 1.75 | 8 |
| 178 | Tim Willey SVP of Commercial Strategy & Operations, ForgeRock | 1.75 | 12 |
| 179 | Therese Tucker Founder and Board Member, BlackLine | 1.73 | 26 |
| 180 | Jonathan Vassell CRO, Toast | 1.71 | 14 |
| 181 | Gabe Monroy Chief Technology Officer, Workday | 1.71 | 7 |
| 182 | Hilary Headley Operating Partner, Insight Partners | 1.71 | 7 |
| 183 | Zachary Perret Co-founder & CEO, Plaid | 1.71 | 17 |
| 184 | Tope Awotona Founder & CEO, Calendly | 1.7 | 20 |
| 185 | Christine Edmonds GP & Head of Analytics, ICONIQ Growth | 1.7 | 10 |
| 186 | Damien Tampling Head of Agent Strategy, APAC, Sierra | 1.7 | 10 |
| 187 | Leo Widrich Co-founder, Wild Life | 1.69 | 16 |
| 188 | Tooey Courtemanche Founder & Chairman of the Board, Procore | 1.67 | 12 |
| 189 | Alfonso de la Nuez Board Member, UserTesting | 1.67 | 12 |
| 190 | Katrina Wong Chief Marketing Officer, New Relic | 1.67 | 6 |
| 191 | Naomi Rozenfeld VP of Revenue, Wix Answers | 1.67 | 12 |
| 192 | Sridhar Ramaswamy CEO, Snowflake | 1.62 | 13 |
| 193 | Colin Zima Co-Founder & CEO, Omni | 1.62 | 16 |
| 194 | Justin Betakure CEO and Co-founder, Raise Commercial Real Estate | 1.62 | 8 |
| 195 | Cameron Deatsch Partner, BOND | 1.61 | 28 |
| 196 | Byron Deeter Partner, Bessemer Venture PartnersBytes | 1.61 | 82 |
| 197 | Varun Anand Co-founder & Head of Operations, Clay | 1.6 | 10 |
| 198 | Vincent van der Meulen Design Engineer, Figma | 1.6 | 5 |
| 199 | Dane Knecht CTO, Cloudflare | 1.6 | 5 |
| 200 | Janine Pelosi CEO, Neat | 1.6 | 5 |
| 201 | Dini Mehta Operating Partner, Operator Collective | 1.6 | 5 |
| 202 | Cynthia Gumbert Chief Marketing Officer, Litera | 1.6 | 5 |
| 203 | Sid Sijbrandij Co-founder & Executive Chair, GitLab Inc. | 1.6 | 15 |
| 204 | Kyle Porter Founder & Chairman, Salesloft | 1.6 | 20 |
| 205 | Christina Shen Co-Founder and Managing Partner, Chemistry | 1.58 | 26 |
| 206 | Bill Magnuson Co-Founder & CEO, Braze | 1.58 | 12 |
| 207 | Mehul Patel Former CEO, Hired | 1.58 | 19 |
| 208 | Jeremy Burton GM, Observability Business Unit, Snowflake | 1.57 | 7 |
| 209 | Kieran Saker Chief Product Officer, Samsara | 1.57 | 7 |
| 210 | Grant Lee Co-founder & CEO, Gamma | 1.56 | 18 |
| 211 | Ross Beesman CRO, ServiceTitan | 1.54 | 13 |
| 212 | Chris Perrine VP & MD, Asia Pacific, G2 | 1.53 | 17 |
| 213 | Amanda Malko Chief Revenue Officer, Thinkific | 1.53 | 17 |
| 214 | Jennifer Tejada Executive Chair, PagerDuty | 1.53 | 15 |
| 215 | Sanjit Biswas Founder & CEO, Samsara | 1.52 | 21 |
| 216 | Tom Hale CEO, ŌURA | 1.52 | 21 |
| 217 | Akshay Sharma Co-founder and Head of Product, Morph Systems | 1.5 | 6 |
| 218 | Morgan Brown Chief Growth Officer, Opendoor | 1.5 | 6 |
| 219 | Lucas Fox Founding Partner, Avra | 1.5 | 10 |
| 220 | Mikkel Svane Founder & CEO, Zendesk | 1.5 | 8 |
| 221 | Philippe Lacour Chief Revenue Officer, Personio | 1.47 | 19 |
| 222 | Pieterjan Bouten CEO, Showpad | 1.46 | 13 |
| 223 | René Lacerte CEO & Founder, BILL | 1.44 | 48 |
| 224 | Elliott Robinson Partner, Bessemer Venture Partners | 1.44 | 9 |
| 225 | Leela Srinivasan CEO, Parity | 1.43 | 7 |
| 226 | Jeanne DeWitt Grosser COO, Vercel | 1.38 | 8 |
| 227 | Lindsey Scrase COO, Checkr | 1.38 | 21 |
| 228 | Andrey Husid Founder & CEO, Miro | 1.38 | 13 |
| 229 | Cliff Bockard Global VP of Sales, Duda | 1.33 | 15 |
| 230 | Archana Agrawal President, Intercom | 1.33 | 18 |
| 231 | Sahir Azam Chief Product Officer, MongoDB | 1.25 | 8 |
| 232 | Zach Kitschke Chief Marketing Officer, Canva | 1.2 | 10 |
| 233 | Rob Bernshteyn General Partner, ICONIQ Growth | 1.2 | 10 |
| 234 | Mary D'Onofrio Partner, Crosslink Capital | 1.15 | 20 |
Companies
The most bearish calls
Debate potential is an AI score of how much a statement invites disagreement. Bearish counts tally what was said about a company on the show; they describe the conversation, not the company. Every count opens to the exact tape. full disclaimer →
All 302 companies, funds and products with at least one bearish claim on the record.
Highest debate potential, by year
2026
2025
Benioff: Microsoft's Partnership With OpenAI Will Turn Into Direct Competition
“Microsoft is a company that wants to own it all, control it all. If they see a hot company or a hot startup, they ask themselves, hey, why is that not in our world? And in the case of they, usually they like To either try to feign an acquisition and then based…”
2024
2023
2022
Lee: VC Board Member Withheld Tough Feedback to Protect LP Fundraise
“I called the board member, and I was like, hey, what's your feeling about how this, like, what kind of coaching are you giving the team about how things are going? It feels like things are off, and we are not doing the things we should be doing. And he was lik…”
2021
Barrett: Silicon Valley overwhelmingly operates on selling to a bigger sucker
“There's like, build a viable business which you care about things like profit margin, things like this, or you just sell to a bigger sucker. Overwhelmingly, Silicon Valley is based upon the latter of those, and like, the reality is at no point relevant in actu…”
2020
2019
Cohen: Servant leadership leads founders to do scut work and burn out
“This crappy word, servant leadership, it leads to stuff like this. This is the scut work that needs to be done, and I can do it, so I'll do it so the team doesn't need, doesn't have to do it. That sounds altruistic, and what it does is burn you out because you…”
Western: Founders amass more wealth through frequent, smaller startup exits
“We think that most founders can actually use the overfocus on growth to their advantage, like a judo artist, either by more often choosing the lifestyle option, or by having a more sober approach to their relationship with their companies and with VCs, by actu…”
2018
Barrett: VCs make money deploying capital, not on exits
“But the VC business model is they get paid when they invest. And so it actually, they don't really make money on the exit. Like, there's the carry, they would say, at the very end.”
Barrett: Hiring outside executives tells top internal talent to leave
“The second that you hire in, you know, sort of that, that, that pro who comes in above everyone else, you've just told everyone else in your company, fuck you. There's no way you can ever grow in this company. Because we have just hired someone above you whose…”
2017
Siroker calls Adobe's marketing cloud a poorly integrated 'Franken-suite'
“Adobe you know, has a product that, you know, has been evolved through acquisitions, which turns what they're offering into what our customers tend to describe as a Franken-sweet. It's a bunch of products that don't really integrate well with one another.”
Fraden: 50% of the fastest-growing SaaS companies turned out to be garbage
“I bet if you went back over the last five years and looked at the top three or four companies in each of those five years that were at that point in time the fastest growing SaaS companies in history, I bet a solid 50% of those companies turned out to be garba…”