Mark Roberge

Co-Founder & Managing Director, Stage 2 Capital · 4 appearances on the record.

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Roberge was the founding Chief Revenue Officer at HubSpot, scaling revenue from zero to over $100 million ARR and an IPO. He co-founded Stage 2 Capital and authored the bestselling book The Sales Acceleration Formula.

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3 predictions · 13 assertions · 6 opinions · 38 insights · 2 disclosures · every statement was checked. The predictions and assertions are the 16 claims: statements the public record can support or contradict. 5 are resolved, and 11 name no date, number or outcome precise enough to check. Everything else (opinions, insights, what ifs, disclosures) can never be settled by the record, so it carries no assessment.

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Their most notable supported claim

Assertion Supported
Roberge: HubSpot Churn Dropped 70% After Restructuring Sales Compensation
“And churn dropped by like 70% in six months.”
Mark Roberge Jul 26, 2017 ▶ 16:07 Sales Mistakes that Can Kill Your SaaS Business & How to Avoid Them

Their most notable contradicted claim

Assertion Contradicted
Toast avoided churn outside March 2020 via hybrid hardware-software model
“The only time they had churn was March of 2020 because of that craziness. And ever since then, and every time before then, they had no churn because of that hybrid hardware-software combination.”
Mark Roberge Nov 19, 2021 ▶ 9:18 The Most Common SaaS Sales Potholes and How to Avoid Them with Mark Roberge, HubSpot's ex-CRO

Everything Mark Roberge said on the Official SaaStr Podcast that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Insight
Roberge: Top AI talent beats mediocre teams with trillions of data records
“So if you had to choose between having an A plus AI tech talent team with millions of records of data, and you were going against a mediocre AI tech talent team with trillions of data that the startup wins. And that starts to make sense with the diminishing re…”
Mark Roberge Nov 17, 2023 ▶ 20:44 Who Will Win the Go-To-Market AI Race? with Stage 2 Capital Co-founder Mark Roberge
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Roberge: Startups face irrelevance from AI like 1997 on-premise software
“I think there's a decent chance that whatever you're working on as a startup, as a use case, as a problem, It might be irrelevant. It might be like it's 1997, and you're working on a client server, on premise piece of software, and you're about to get the rug …”
Mark Roberge Nov 17, 2023 ▶ 2:24 Who Will Win the Go-To-Market AI Race? with Stage 2 Capital Co-founder Mark Roberge
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Roberge: Non-VC startups generate more wealth than VC-backed startups
“More wealth is generated in startups in non-VC backed startups than VC backed startups.”
Mark Roberge Nov 17, 2023 ▶ 14:06 Who Will Win the Go-To-Market AI Race? with Stage 2 Capital Co-founder Mark Roberge
Insight
Roberge: AI founders should target startups first despite high churn
“If I'm gonna build my MVP, I'm gonna build it with the startup tech community. That's, like, scary for me to say, because the startup tech by itself, as an, that, that has a high failure rate, so you're gonna have a lot of churn, but it's just where you're gon…”
Mark Roberge Nov 17, 2023 ▶ 27:46 Who Will Win the Go-To-Market AI Race? with Stage 2 Capital Co-founder Mark Roberge
Insight
Roberge: Startups fail primarily by scaling at the wrong time
“I personally believe the number one failure reason for startups is they choose the wrong time to scale and they choose to scale at the wrong pace.”
Mark Roberge Nov 17, 2023 ▶ 31:09 Who Will Win the Go-To-Market AI Race? with Stage 2 Capital Co-founder Mark Roberge
Insight
Customer Retention Depends Far More on Sales Processes Than Onboarding
“A lot of research has shown That the success of a customer in retaining and expanding has a lot more to do with the sales process than the onboarding process.”
Mark Roberge Sep 27, 2022 ▶ 18:44 Optimizing GTM for PLG with Stage 2 Capital Co-Founder and Managing Director Mark Roberge
Prediction Not checkable as stated
PLG Attackers Will Dominate B2B Public Markets Within a Decade
“Just like today the public markets in B to B are dominated by the SaaS attackers, I predict in the next decade the PLG attackers will dominate the public markets for the categories that it's in.”
Mark Roberge Sep 27, 2022 ▶ 23:36 Optimizing GTM for PLG with Stage 2 Capital Co-Founder and Managing Director Mark Roberge
Insight
Designing PLG to Prevent Revenue Cannibalization Guarantees Disruption
“The minute you start designing your PLG funnel with cannibalization in mind, you're cooked. Cause someone else is gonna cannibalize you.”
Mark Roberge Sep 27, 2022 ▶ 25:30 Optimizing GTM for PLG with Stage 2 Capital Co-Founder and Managing Director Mark Roberge
Insight
Roberge: 1980s-era sales comp models cause SaaS underutilization and revenue contraction
“We're using a sales comp plan that was invented in the 19 eighties, and it's causing our customers to utilize their licenses at a lower rate, and it's causing revenue contraction.”
Mark Roberge Nov 19, 2021 ▶ 1:29 The Most Common SaaS Sales Potholes and How to Avoid Them with Mark Roberge, HubSpot's ex-CRO
Insight
Founders should build moats at Series B and C, not Series A
“Don't work on sustainable moat, in my opinion, at Series A, but around Series B and Series C, build the moat. Know what it is. Build the moat, and sometimes it comes at the expense of growth, and that's ok.”
Mark Roberge Nov 19, 2021 ▶ 10:27 The Most Common SaaS Sales Potholes and How to Avoid Them with Mark Roberge, HubSpot's ex-CRO
Insight
Hitting $1M ARR proves market-message fit, not product-market fit
“I have product market fit when I have a million in revenue. I could not disagree more. That's market message fit. Congratulations. You know how to sell. Doesn't mean your product works.”
Mark Roberge Nov 19, 2021 ▶ 16:27 The Most Common SaaS Sales Potholes and How to Avoid Them with Mark Roberge, HubSpot's ex-CRO
Opinion
Lump-sum sales hiring after funding is the number one startup killer
“Let's hire a bunch of salespeople all at once. It's not good. It kills company. It's the number one killer.”
Mark Roberge Nov 19, 2021 ▶ 25:46 The Most Common SaaS Sales Potholes and How to Avoid Them with Mark Roberge, HubSpot's ex-CRO
Insight
Roberge: Target salesperson churn rate should be 10% to 20%
“I like 10 to 20 I feel good about. 10%, lower than 10% I'm probably being too soft. I'm just not that good at hiring. Just not that good at hiring. And I can push my folks more. 20 to 25, I'm like, my business still works. North of 25, I'm like, my culture's g…”
Mark Roberge Jan 24, 2018 ▶ 0:51 Sales AMA: Your Burning Questions Answered
Insight
Roberge: Why Big-Company Sales Reps Fail Under Technical Founders
“When you're two engineering-based founders bringing in that first salesperson, geez, that guy showed up at Oracle or Salesforce or wherever it was. He went through a month of training how to handle the top 20 objections. That process is not built. And if you d…”
Mark Roberge Jul 26, 2017 ▶ 10:16 Sales Mistakes that Can Kill Your SaaS Business & How to Avoid Them
Opinion
Roberge: Inbound leads rarely drive million-dollar enterprise deals
“Inbound is probably not going to drive enterprise. Like it's really rare to get an inbound lead and be like, and then three months later, oh, we have a million dollar account.”
Mark Roberge Jan 24, 2024 ▶ 14:18 How Revenue Leaders at Box, Calendly, and Lattice Scaled From $0 to $100M+ and Beyond
Opinion
Roberge: AI is the first blank canvas for B2B software in 20 years
“For the first time in 20 years, it's a blank canvas. It's complete artistic freedom. Especially in our area of B to B software. We can re-imagine everything.”
Mark Roberge Nov 17, 2023 ▶ 0:57 Who Will Win the Go-To-Market AI Race? with Stage 2 Capital Co-founder Mark Roberge
Insight
Roberge: Embedding AI into existing workflows is not true disruption
“Certainly iterative technologies, just embedding an AI in the workflows we do today. That's not the answer. That's not the disruption.”
Mark Roberge Nov 17, 2023 ▶ 5:27 Who Will Win the Go-To-Market AI Race? with Stage 2 Capital Co-founder Mark Roberge
Opinion
Roberge: Petitions to pause AI will let bad actors pull ahead
“This technology is coming no matter what. I appreciate petitions to sign to try to stop it, but I, I'm not sure that that's the solution. It just seems like bad actors will be able to get a head, a leg on us, and I'd rather this technology be run by the people…”
Mark Roberge Nov 17, 2023 ▶ 11:29 Who Will Win the Go-To-Market AI Race? with Stage 2 Capital Co-founder Mark Roberge
Insight
Roberge: AI startups should target areas where incumbents lack proprietary data
“If you want to stack the deck in your favor, choose use cases as an entrepreneur where the big company incumbents don't have the data. That'll stack the deck in your favor.”
Mark Roberge Nov 17, 2023 ▶ 18:28 Who Will Win the Go-To-Market AI Race? with Stage 2 Capital Co-founder Mark Roberge
Insight
Products With High Retention Will Eventually Solve Acquisition and Monetization
“I might argue that if you can get people to stick and continue to use your product, you will figure out the scalable user acquisition model, and you will figure out the monetization model.”
Mark Roberge Sep 27, 2022 ▶ 6:07 Optimizing GTM for PLG with Stage 2 Capital Co-Founder and Managing Director Mark Roberge
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Consumer Giants Spend Over 50% of Engineering on Experimentation Tools
“Some of them say that over half of their engineering resources are not spent developing features that a consumer will ever experience. They're spent making experimentation easy.”
Mark Roberge Sep 27, 2022 ▶ 8:28 Optimizing GTM for PLG with Stage 2 Capital Co-Founder and Managing Director Mark Roberge
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Best-in-Class PLG Startups House Growth Teams Inside Product, Not Marketing
“A lot of these startups I see in PLG, almost all of them actually, put their growth teams in marketing, and I think that's an opportunity because all of the best-in-class ones put their growth team in product.”
Mark Roberge Sep 27, 2022 ▶ 12:00 Optimizing GTM for PLG with Stage 2 Capital Co-Founder and Managing Director Mark Roberge
Insight
Housing Growth Teams in Marketing Prevents Startups From Hiring Engineers
“And what happens if you put your growth team in marketing is you won't have any engineers. I've never had met an engineer whose career goal was to work in marketing. Like, no offense, right? It's just, like, not what they want to do. And so, if you have your g…”
Mark Roberge Sep 27, 2022 ▶ 12:22 Optimizing GTM for PLG with Stage 2 Capital Co-Founder and Managing Director Mark Roberge
Insight
PLG Product Funnel Growth Must Outpace Sales Headcount Growth
“The growth rate of your growth funnel, whether you measure that as users or M or MAUs or PQLs, product qualified leads, that has to grow faster than your sales headcount.”
Mark Roberge Sep 27, 2022 ▶ 14:38 Optimizing GTM for PLG with Stage 2 Capital Co-Founder and Managing Director Mark Roberge

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Appearances (4)

EpisodeDateSpeaking time
How Revenue Leaders at Box, Calendly, and Lattice Scaled From $0 to $100M+ and Beyond Jan 24, 2024 8m
The Most Common SaaS Sales Potholes and How to Avoid Them with Mark Roberge, HubSpot's ex- Nov 19, 2021 24m
Sales AMA: Your Burning Questions Answered Jan 24, 2018 24m
Sales Mistakes that Can Kill Your SaaS Business & How to Avoid Them Jul 26, 2017 11m

Played on the show (2)

Episodes where a recording of Mark Roberge was played rather than Mark taking part, or where the tape carries an address with nobody putting questions to them. Listed because the words are on the record, kept out of every score on this page because they were not said on this show. We read this off the tape: who was spoken to, who was asked something, who answered whom.

EpisodeDateOn tapeWhat it is
Who Will Win the Go-To-Market AI Race? with Stage 2 Capital Co-founder Mark Roberge Nov 17, 2023 28m aired address
Optimizing GTM for PLG with Stage 2 Capital Co-Founder and Managing Director Mark Roberge Sep 27, 2022 23m aired address
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