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Insight
Roberge: Top AI talent beats mediocre teams with trillions of data records
“So if you had to choose between having an A plus AI tech talent team with millions of records of data, and you were going against a mediocre AI tech talent team with trillions of data that the startup wins. And that starts to make sense with the diminishing re…”
Mark Roberge Nov 17, 2023 ▶ 20:44 Who Will Win the Go-To-Market AI Race? with Stage 2 Capital Co-founder Mark Roberge
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Roberge: Startups face irrelevance from AI like 1997 on-premise software
“I think there's a decent chance that whatever you're working on as a startup, as a use case, as a problem, It might be irrelevant. It might be like it's 1997, and you're working on a client server, on premise piece of software, and you're about to get the rug …”
Mark Roberge Nov 17, 2023 ▶ 2:24 Who Will Win the Go-To-Market AI Race? with Stage 2 Capital Co-founder Mark Roberge
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Roberge: Non-VC startups generate more wealth than VC-backed startups
“More wealth is generated in startups in non-VC backed startups than VC backed startups.”
Mark Roberge Nov 17, 2023 ▶ 14:06 Who Will Win the Go-To-Market AI Race? with Stage 2 Capital Co-founder Mark Roberge
Insight
Roberge: AI founders should target startups first despite high churn
“If I'm gonna build my MVP, I'm gonna build it with the startup tech community. That's, like, scary for me to say, because the startup tech by itself, as an, that, that has a high failure rate, so you're gonna have a lot of churn, but it's just where you're gon…”
Mark Roberge Nov 17, 2023 ▶ 27:46 Who Will Win the Go-To-Market AI Race? with Stage 2 Capital Co-founder Mark Roberge
Insight
Roberge: Startups fail primarily by scaling at the wrong time
“I personally believe the number one failure reason for startups is they choose the wrong time to scale and they choose to scale at the wrong pace.”
Mark Roberge Nov 17, 2023 ▶ 31:09 Who Will Win the Go-To-Market AI Race? with Stage 2 Capital Co-founder Mark Roberge
Insight
Customer Retention Depends Far More on Sales Processes Than Onboarding
“A lot of research has shown That the success of a customer in retaining and expanding has a lot more to do with the sales process than the onboarding process.”
Mark Roberge Sep 27, 2022 ▶ 18:44 Optimizing GTM for PLG with Stage 2 Capital Co-Founder and Managing Director Mark Roberge
Prediction Not checkable as stated
PLG Attackers Will Dominate B2B Public Markets Within a Decade
“Just like today the public markets in B to B are dominated by the SaaS attackers, I predict in the next decade the PLG attackers will dominate the public markets for the categories that it's in.”
Mark Roberge Sep 27, 2022 ▶ 23:36 Optimizing GTM for PLG with Stage 2 Capital Co-Founder and Managing Director Mark Roberge
Insight
Designing PLG to Prevent Revenue Cannibalization Guarantees Disruption
“The minute you start designing your PLG funnel with cannibalization in mind, you're cooked. Cause someone else is gonna cannibalize you.”
Mark Roberge Sep 27, 2022 ▶ 25:30 Optimizing GTM for PLG with Stage 2 Capital Co-Founder and Managing Director Mark Roberge
Insight
Roberge: 1980s-era sales comp models cause SaaS underutilization and revenue contraction
“We're using a sales comp plan that was invented in the 19 eighties, and it's causing our customers to utilize their licenses at a lower rate, and it's causing revenue contraction.”
Mark Roberge Nov 19, 2021 ▶ 1:29 The Most Common SaaS Sales Potholes and How to Avoid Them with Mark Roberge, HubSpot's ex-CRO
Insight
Founders should build moats at Series B and C, not Series A
“Don't work on sustainable moat, in my opinion, at Series A, but around Series B and Series C, build the moat. Know what it is. Build the moat, and sometimes it comes at the expense of growth, and that's ok.”
Mark Roberge Nov 19, 2021 ▶ 10:27 The Most Common SaaS Sales Potholes and How to Avoid Them with Mark Roberge, HubSpot's ex-CRO
Insight
Hitting $1M ARR proves market-message fit, not product-market fit
“I have product market fit when I have a million in revenue. I could not disagree more. That's market message fit. Congratulations. You know how to sell. Doesn't mean your product works.”
Mark Roberge Nov 19, 2021 ▶ 16:27 The Most Common SaaS Sales Potholes and How to Avoid Them with Mark Roberge, HubSpot's ex-CRO
Opinion
Lump-sum sales hiring after funding is the number one startup killer
“Let's hire a bunch of salespeople all at once. It's not good. It kills company. It's the number one killer.”
Mark Roberge Nov 19, 2021 ▶ 25:46 The Most Common SaaS Sales Potholes and How to Avoid Them with Mark Roberge, HubSpot's ex-CRO
Insight
Roberge: Target salesperson churn rate should be 10% to 20%
“I like 10 to 20 I feel good about. 10%, lower than 10% I'm probably being too soft. I'm just not that good at hiring. Just not that good at hiring. And I can push my folks more. 20 to 25, I'm like, my business still works. North of 25, I'm like, my culture's g…”
Mark Roberge Jan 24, 2018 ▶ 0:51 Sales AMA: Your Burning Questions Answered
Insight
Roberge: Why Big-Company Sales Reps Fail Under Technical Founders
“When you're two engineering-based founders bringing in that first salesperson, geez, that guy showed up at Oracle or Salesforce or wherever it was. He went through a month of training how to handle the top 20 objections. That process is not built. And if you d…”
Mark Roberge Jul 26, 2017 ▶ 10:16 Sales Mistakes that Can Kill Your SaaS Business & How to Avoid Them
Opinion
Roberge: Inbound leads rarely drive million-dollar enterprise deals
“Inbound is probably not going to drive enterprise. Like it's really rare to get an inbound lead and be like, and then three months later, oh, we have a million dollar account.”
Mark Roberge Jan 24, 2024 ▶ 14:18 How Revenue Leaders at Box, Calendly, and Lattice Scaled From $0 to $100M+ and Beyond
Opinion
Roberge: AI is the first blank canvas for B2B software in 20 years
“For the first time in 20 years, it's a blank canvas. It's complete artistic freedom. Especially in our area of B to B software. We can re-imagine everything.”
Mark Roberge Nov 17, 2023 ▶ 0:57 Who Will Win the Go-To-Market AI Race? with Stage 2 Capital Co-founder Mark Roberge
Insight
Roberge: Embedding AI into existing workflows is not true disruption
“Certainly iterative technologies, just embedding an AI in the workflows we do today. That's not the answer. That's not the disruption.”
Mark Roberge Nov 17, 2023 ▶ 5:27 Who Will Win the Go-To-Market AI Race? with Stage 2 Capital Co-founder Mark Roberge
Opinion
Roberge: Petitions to pause AI will let bad actors pull ahead
“This technology is coming no matter what. I appreciate petitions to sign to try to stop it, but I, I'm not sure that that's the solution. It just seems like bad actors will be able to get a head, a leg on us, and I'd rather this technology be run by the people…”
Mark Roberge Nov 17, 2023 ▶ 11:29 Who Will Win the Go-To-Market AI Race? with Stage 2 Capital Co-founder Mark Roberge
Insight
Roberge: AI startups should target areas where incumbents lack proprietary data
“If you want to stack the deck in your favor, choose use cases as an entrepreneur where the big company incumbents don't have the data. That'll stack the deck in your favor.”
Mark Roberge Nov 17, 2023 ▶ 18:28 Who Will Win the Go-To-Market AI Race? with Stage 2 Capital Co-founder Mark Roberge
Insight
Products With High Retention Will Eventually Solve Acquisition and Monetization
“I might argue that if you can get people to stick and continue to use your product, you will figure out the scalable user acquisition model, and you will figure out the monetization model.”
Mark Roberge Sep 27, 2022 ▶ 6:07 Optimizing GTM for PLG with Stage 2 Capital Co-Founder and Managing Director Mark Roberge
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Consumer Giants Spend Over 50% of Engineering on Experimentation Tools
“Some of them say that over half of their engineering resources are not spent developing features that a consumer will ever experience. They're spent making experimentation easy.”
Mark Roberge Sep 27, 2022 ▶ 8:28 Optimizing GTM for PLG with Stage 2 Capital Co-Founder and Managing Director Mark Roberge
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Best-in-Class PLG Startups House Growth Teams Inside Product, Not Marketing
“A lot of these startups I see in PLG, almost all of them actually, put their growth teams in marketing, and I think that's an opportunity because all of the best-in-class ones put their growth team in product.”
Mark Roberge Sep 27, 2022 ▶ 12:00 Optimizing GTM for PLG with Stage 2 Capital Co-Founder and Managing Director Mark Roberge
Insight
Housing Growth Teams in Marketing Prevents Startups From Hiring Engineers
“And what happens if you put your growth team in marketing is you won't have any engineers. I've never had met an engineer whose career goal was to work in marketing. Like, no offense, right? It's just, like, not what they want to do. And so, if you have your g…”
Mark Roberge Sep 27, 2022 ▶ 12:22 Optimizing GTM for PLG with Stage 2 Capital Co-Founder and Managing Director Mark Roberge
Insight
PLG Product Funnel Growth Must Outpace Sales Headcount Growth
“The growth rate of your growth funnel, whether you measure that as users or M or MAUs or PQLs, product qualified leads, that has to grow faster than your sales headcount.”
Mark Roberge Sep 27, 2022 ▶ 14:38 Optimizing GTM for PLG with Stage 2 Capital Co-Founder and Managing Director Mark Roberge
Insight
Paying Sales Only on Initial Revenue Ruins PLG Motions
“We are still paying our salespeople more for the first revenue from a company and less or nothing at all for expansion revenue. Beautiful comp plan design for the 19 seventies. Terrible comp plan design for PLG.”
Mark Roberge Sep 27, 2022 ▶ 16:56 Optimizing GTM for PLG with Stage 2 Capital Co-Founder and Managing Director Mark Roberge
Insight
PLG Pricing Paywalls Should Target Enterprise Security Rather Than Virality
“I personally like putting it here if we can. Because the end user is not going to care if the executives have to pay to make this secure, or to get the dashboard that they, so they can know more about their business, or to integrate it with their tech stack. I…”
Mark Roberge Sep 27, 2022 ▶ 21:21 Optimizing GTM for PLG with Stage 2 Capital Co-Founder and Managing Director Mark Roberge
Disclosure
HubSpot paid reps 20% more for expansion seats than new ones
“When I rolled this out at HubSpot, when we were doing the CRM, I told the reps, I said, hey folks, ah, I'm gonna pay you 20% more for expansion seats than for new seats.”
Mark Roberge Nov 19, 2021 ▶ 3:13 The Most Common SaaS Sales Potholes and How to Avoid Them with Mark Roberge, HubSpot's ex-CRO
Insight
Roberge: Top sales reps usually make poor sales managers
“The better they are on the team, the higher rank they are as a sales rep, the worse manager they are. We've known this forever. Your top rep does not make your top manager. It does not always make a good manager. In fact, the stats show it mostly fails.”
Mark Roberge Nov 19, 2021 ▶ 11:29 The Most Common SaaS Sales Potholes and How to Avoid Them with Mark Roberge, HubSpot's ex-CRO
Opinion
Roberge: Quota-carrying hybrid sales team lead roles do not work
“I hate the team lead, hybrid, carry, you know, carry your own personal quota and run a team. That doesn't work.”
Mark Roberge Nov 19, 2021 ▶ 13:48 The Most Common SaaS Sales Potholes and How to Avoid Them with Mark Roberge, HubSpot's ex-CRO
Insight
Roberge: Quarterly P&Ls lag current scaling reality by nine months
“Because most companies out there deciding if we're scaling too fast or too slow are looking at the quarterly P&L at the board meeting, and the quarterly P&L is what happened nine months ago.”
Mark Roberge Nov 19, 2021 ▶ 26:23 The Most Common SaaS Sales Potholes and How to Avoid Them with Mark Roberge, HubSpot's ex-CRO
Insight
Roberge: Making sales managers carry quota causes rep coaching to fail
“Can we have them still carry a quota and coach the people? Disaster, right? Because then they're constantly torn between developing the people or hitting their number, and they can't do it, and one of them suffers, and guess what it is? It's developing the peo…”
Mark Roberge Jan 24, 2018 ▶ 9:08 Sales AMA: Your Burning Questions Answered
Insight
Roberge: Blending inbound and outbound duties on SDRs fails
“Salespeople will always find the path of least resistance to get to their number, and when you give someone a taste of inbound leads, and then you force them to cold call too, they're, it's, they're really gonna struggle to pick up the phone.”
Mark Roberge Jan 24, 2018 ▶ 10:37 Sales AMA: Your Burning Questions Answered
Insight
Roberge: Redefine the sales manager role to lead cross-functional pods
“What I've seen companies experimenting with that I like is to almost redefine the sales manager role where a traditional inside sales manager might have like eight or 10 reps under them and instead have a sales manager that has six reps under them Plus four BD…”
Mark Roberge Jan 24, 2018 ▶ 20:28 Sales AMA: Your Burning Questions Answered
Insight
Roberge: PLG requires fast time to value and fails for org operating systems
“The reason it probably didn't work is there needs to be a low time and effort to value use case, and Lattice is like an operating system. It's not something like a single person is going to download and start using it, like a Dropbox or a Calendly”
Mark Roberge Jan 24, 2024 ▶ 5:47 How Revenue Leaders at Box, Calendly, and Lattice Scaled From $0 to $100M+ and Beyond
Insight
Roberge: Sales reps cannot effectively sell both $3K and $100K deals
“When we walk into organizations, and you have five salespeople, and all those salespeople are selling 3000 dollar ACV deals, and a 100,000 dollar ACV deals, that's not gonna work. Like, usually sellers are tuned for one way or the other”
Mark Roberge Jan 24, 2024 ▶ 6:42 How Revenue Leaders at Box, Calendly, and Lattice Scaled From $0 to $100M+ and Beyond
Insight
Roberge: CROs fail if they only represent sales needs to leadership
“When you're like a director of sales, and you're in the sales org, you're living sales all day, you're with the sales team, you're just thinking about sales, but once you become CRO, You're going to get into trouble if you see your role on the senior leadershi…”
Mark Roberge Jan 24, 2024 ▶ 24:07 How Revenue Leaders at Box, Calendly, and Lattice Scaled From $0 to $100M+ and Beyond
Opinion
Roberge: Current AI Landscape Parallels the Internet in 1998
“And if we were to say what year this is in the internet rollout, it's probably around 1998.”
Mark Roberge Nov 17, 2023 ▶ 3:54 Who Will Win the Go-To-Market AI Race? with Stage 2 Capital Co-founder Mark Roberge
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Roberge: Data acquisition will become a core BD function for AI startups
“The acquisition of data becomes an important function probably within the business development domain. Cause we don't have any data.”
Mark Roberge Nov 17, 2023 ▶ 21:08 Who Will Win the Go-To-Market AI Race? with Stage 2 Capital Co-founder Mark Roberge
Insight
Roberge: Start annual planning by October 1 to hit revenue targets
“Don't wait till January to build your bottoms up plan. Cause you'll realize that you should have hired four reps in Q four to hit your 20, 24 plan. Please start your annual planning process on October first so you can hit your 20, 24 number.”
Mark Roberge Nov 17, 2023 ▶ 30:22 Who Will Win the Go-To-Market AI Race? with Stage 2 Capital Co-founder Mark Roberge
Insight
Median B2B PLG Teams Lag Far Behind Elite Growth Teams
“And we see a pretty big gap between the average median B to B PLG growth team, and what these teams are doing.”
Mark Roberge Sep 27, 2022 ▶ 2:24 Optimizing GTM for PLG with Stage 2 Capital Co-Founder and Managing Director Mark Roberge
Insight
B2B PLG Teams Should Prioritize Free User Retention Over Monetization
“That's what I actually see, is I see a lot of B to B growth teams and PLG companies focus on the monetization, but these folks that we studied focused on the free user retention.”
Mark Roberge Sep 27, 2022 ▶ 3:39 Optimizing GTM for PLG with Stage 2 Capital Co-Founder and Managing Director Mark Roberge
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Roberge: HubSpot Cut Free CRM User Acquisition Cost From $120 to $12
“I remember when we were doing this at HubSpot for the CRM product, we looked at it and we're like, oh my gosh, to acquire a free user for our CRM, it cost us a 120 dollars each user. For a free product. So we focused on that, and we did 17 experiments in a mon…”
Mark Roberge Sep 27, 2022 ▶ 6:33 Optimizing GTM for PLG with Stage 2 Capital Co-Founder and Managing Director Mark Roberge
Insight
Siloing Marketing and Product in PLG Startups Creates Local Maximums
“They don't put, like, marketing in charge of free user acquisition and product in charge of monetization and retention. They put them all working on the North Star metric today because if you don't, you're gonna end up with local maximums.”
Mark Roberge Sep 27, 2022 ▶ 9:40 Optimizing GTM for PLG with Stage 2 Capital Co-Founder and Managing Director Mark Roberge
Insight
Moving From Sales-Led to PLG Is as Hard as On-Prem to SaaS
“Because it's really hard, just like it was hard to be an on-premise software company and move to SaaS, it's really hard to be a non-PLG sales led growth, growth company, and move to PLG.”
Mark Roberge Sep 27, 2022 ▶ 23:49 Optimizing GTM for PLG with Stage 2 Capital Co-Founder and Managing Director Mark Roberge
Insight
Roberge: Raising SaaS prices lengthens sales cycles and elevates disruption risk
“The sales cycles go up, the close rates go down, and the one that we don't pick up on is our disruption risk goes way up.”
Mark Roberge Nov 19, 2021 ▶ 4:57 The Most Common SaaS Sales Potholes and How to Avoid Them with Mark Roberge, HubSpot's ex-CRO
Insight
Roberge: Raising SaaS prices without a moat invites competitors to undercut you
“It works for a couple quarters because you're the only player in the category, but you are a ripe target for a bunch of hotshot engineers here in Silicon Valley to rebuild your product and charge half the price. So be careful about raising your prices unless y…”
Mark Roberge Nov 19, 2021 ▶ 5:11 The Most Common SaaS Sales Potholes and How to Avoid Them with Mark Roberge, HubSpot's ex-CRO
Insight
Roberge: Features, support hotlines, and funding are not sustainable SaaS moats
“And I'll tell you, it's not because of product features. It's not because of your support hotline. It's not because of how much you raised twenty million bucks. It's not because of the integrations you built.”
Mark Roberge Nov 19, 2021 ▶ 6:47 The Most Common SaaS Sales Potholes and How to Avoid Them with Mark Roberge, HubSpot's ex-CRO
Assertion Contradicted
Toast avoided churn outside March 2020 via hybrid hardware-software model
“The only time they had churn was March of 2020 because of that craziness. And ever since then, and every time before then, they had no churn because of that hybrid hardware-software combination.”
Mark Roberge Nov 19, 2021 ▶ 9:18 The Most Common SaaS Sales Potholes and How to Avoid Them with Mark Roberge, HubSpot's ex-CRO
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