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Insight
Giglio: Separating enterprise CS and PLG touches divides teams solving identical problems
“Many of you might work in organizations where you have a customer success team. That's like the high touch customer success team. And then oftentimes what happens is there's a marketing organization or a product organization that is doing customer touches to y…”
Rob Giglio Jul 10, 2025 ▶ 19:50 AI and the Bottom Line, How Canva Turns Freemium into Conversions with Canva's CCO
Insight
Lemkin: Self-serve SaaS products require far higher quality than enterprise software
“This is the other mistake a lot of folks make that come from a sales background. They don't realize how great a self-serve product has to be like so much better than enterprise, any enterprise or even mid-market product in the world. Like the onboarding doesn'…”
Jason Lemkin Dec 18, 2024 ▶ 12:09 How to Think About Product-Led Growth, Bootstrapping vs VC, and Early Exits with Jason Lemkin
Insight
Lemkin: PLG Markets Must Be Large Enough to Support Millions of Users
“If you can get thousands of people using your product for 10 K a month or 10 K a year or more, go sell it. If you can get millions of people using your products so that a few percent can convert, go build Canva. But don't be in the middle. Don't be a small num…”
Jason Lemkin Dec 18, 2024 ▶ 11:30 How to Think About Product-Led Growth, Bootstrapping vs VC, and Early Exits with Jason Lemkin
Prediction Held up
Deeter: Canva and other private cloud companies will cross $1B ARR
“There are private cloud companies that now have line of sight, or in Canva's case and a few others, will be crossing the billion dollar ARR mark while still private.”
Byron Deeter Oct 14, 2021 ▶ 11:27 State of the Cloud 2021 with Bessemer Venture Partners | SaaStr Software Community
Prediction Held up
Customers Will Pay Higher Prices for Canva as It Becomes Agentic
“Now people are going to start paying more for Canva as Canva gets more gentic with two point O.”
Jason Lemkin Jul 10, 2026 ▶ 22:58 $0 to $700M ARR in 16 Months. Inside Higgsfield's AI Growth with Alex Mashrabov, co-founder and CEO
Assertion Supported
Canva grew from 170M to 230M MAUs under Rob Giglio.
“At the time. Canva was like, Maybe a hundred and seventy million monthly active users. We're at two hundred and thirty million monthly active users now.”
Rob Giglio Jul 10, 2025 ▶ 8:34 AI and the Bottom Line, How Canva Turns Freemium into Conversions with Canva's CCO
Insight
Giglio: SaaS companies overlook the cost of letting customers struggle unassisted
“A lot of us don't pause and actually like unpack the economics of our business models such that we do think about like, what is the real cost of letting a customer Wallow. Versus what is the real cost of providing some level of support?”
Rob Giglio Jul 10, 2025 ▶ 22:32 AI and the Bottom Line, How Canva Turns Freemium into Conversions with Canva's CCO
Disclosure
Canva defines monthly active users by completed designs, not app opens
“We at Canva try really hard to make sure that when we say monthly active use, it's actually completing a design. So it's not just opening something and starting, it's opening something and finishing, feeling like they've completed it. It's been shared with som…”
Rob Giglio Jul 10, 2025 ▶ 9:08 AI and the Bottom Line, How Canva Turns Freemium into Conversions with Canva's CCO
Insight
Giglio: SaaS companies should orchestrate post-sale experiences better than pre-sale acquisition
“That orchestration actually is better served in the post-sale environment. Like we should be better in the post-sale orchestration of customer experiences than we are in the front side, because most of us, if we're in a SaaS business, we have an install base a…”
Rob Giglio Jul 10, 2025 ▶ 23:28 AI and the Bottom Line, How Canva Turns Freemium into Conversions with Canva's CCO
Insight
Giglio: Effective journey mapping tracks individual users from awareness to loyalty
“I think the difference between those that talk about it and those that do it well are the ones who do it well actually start to embed the tracing and tracking of a customer journey from the very first point of awareness all the way through some expression of l…”
Rob Giglio Jul 10, 2025 ▶ 18:08 AI and the Bottom Line, How Canva Turns Freemium into Conversions with Canva's CCO
Insight
Giglio: Companies adding enterprise sales should not create separate sales cultures
“The thing that was really, I think as anybody who's a founder in here, the thing that really mattered a lot was like, don't have two different cultures. Don't build an enterprise culture over here with like all the downsides of what we think of as enterprise c…”
Rob Giglio Jul 10, 2025 ▶ 13:46 AI and the Bottom Line, How Canva Turns Freemium into Conversions with Canva's CCO
Assertion Supported
Lemkin: Canva has reached $2.5 billion in ARR
“Canva you might think is single product at two and a half billion in AR, but it sure does a lot more than when I started using it.”
Jason Lemkin Oct 15, 2024 ▶ 33:56 The Era of HyperFunctional SaaS is Here l SaaStr CEO and Founder Jason Lemkin
Assertion Supported
Lemkin: Canva is growing over 40% at $2.3B in revenue
“Canva just said they're growing over 40% at 2.3 billion in revenue at their user conference the other day.”
Jason Lemkin Jun 26, 2024 ▶ 1:53 Forget the SaaS Gloom and Doom. Just Build. with SaaStr CEO and Founder, Jason Lemkin
Assertion Supported
Lemkin: Canva is at $2B ARR growing over 40% and profitable
“Canva's at two billion in air are growing over 40% and it's profitable, cash flow positive.”
Jason Lemkin Dec 29, 2023 ▶ 8:27 Why the Future of Customer Success, Sales & Marketing Has Changed with SaaStr CEO Jason Lemkin
Assertion Supported
Kitschke: Canva has 60 million monthly active users and 2,000 employees
“We now have more than sixty million people creating with Canva every single month all around the world. We've got a global team as well. So there's sort of 2000 people you know, across Australia, the US, the Philippines, China throughout Europe as well. As you…”
Zach Kitschke Jan 12, 2022 ▶ 5:55 Lessons Learned Scaling with Canva's CMO Zach Kitschke and SaaStr CEO Jason Lemkin
Assertion Supported
Kitschke: Canva's One-Dollar Image License Was Unprecedented at Launch
“When we launched Canva you know, the one dollar photo license was something that hadn't been done before, and so, because you're using it within Canva, you know, it means we can kind of control the usage, and so it's a dollar per use.”
Zach Kitschke Jan 12, 2022 ▶ 43:08 Lessons Learned Scaling with Canva's CMO Zach Kitschke and SaaStr CEO Jason Lemkin
Insight
Kitschke: Standout Peak Moments Make People Forgive Flaws in an Experience
“The core premise is that people are actually willing to put up with a lot of Of stuff if there's these really outstanding moments you know, in an experience”
Zach Kitschke Jan 12, 2022 ▶ 34:52 Lessons Learned Scaling with Canva's CMO Zach Kitschke and SaaStr CEO Jason Lemkin
Assertion Supported
Giglio: Canva has recorded 16 billion instances of AI usage
“You know, I think we recently shared that we've had like, sixteen billion instances of AI usage, which I think ranks amongst the top AI use cases with some of the tippy top performers in the AI space.”
Rob Giglio Jul 10, 2025 ▶ 25:07 AI and the Bottom Line, How Canva Turns Freemium into Conversions with Canva's CCO
Disclosure
Giglio: Canva adopts Winning by Design's SPICED sales methodology
“And for the record, we did pick Winning by Design. We are using Spiced. We have a little bit of a Canva flair on it.”
Rob Giglio Jul 10, 2025 ▶ 16:07 AI and the Bottom Line, How Canva Turns Freemium into Conversions with Canva's CCO
Disclosure
Giglio: Canva implements existing AI tools instead of building internal tooling
“We have a mindset that's like, there are probably great tools in the world. We should start with those tools and implement them in our own workflows, as opposed to try to build them ourselves right now.”
Rob Giglio Jul 10, 2025 ▶ 25:47 AI and the Bottom Line, How Canva Turns Freemium into Conversions with Canva's CCO
Assertion Supported
Kitschke: Canva expanded to 100 languages by 2017
“We figured out a lot of the processes and the systems and then you know, tackled the 20 languages and then by 20 17 that goal reached, reached a hundred languages.”
Zach Kitschke Jan 12, 2022 ▶ 21:30 Lessons Learned Scaling with Canva's CMO Zach Kitschke and SaaStr CEO Jason Lemkin
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Kitschke: Presentations are Canva's largest and fastest-growing use case
“Presentations is actually our largest use case and our fastest growing and alongside things like video and other content types as well.”
Zach Kitschke Jan 12, 2022 ▶ 23:30 Lessons Learned Scaling with Canva's CMO Zach Kitschke and SaaStr CEO Jason Lemkin
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Kitschke: The vast majority of Canva users use the free product tier
“We continue to this day to have the vast majority of our community using Canva for free”
Zach Kitschke Jan 12, 2022 ▶ 13:04 Lessons Learned Scaling with Canva's CMO Zach Kitschke and SaaStr CEO Jason Lemkin
Assertion Supported
Kitschke: Canva's real-time collaborative design feature took eight years to ship
“It was actually you know, a feature we launched, which meant that people for the first time could collaborate in real time on Canva, and it was actually something that our CTO Dave had, had set as a goal you know, eight years earlier, and it had just been this…”
Zach Kitschke Jan 12, 2022 ▶ 33:23 Lessons Learned Scaling with Canva's CMO Zach Kitschke and SaaStr CEO Jason Lemkin
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Kitschke: Most Canva growth comes from word of mouth and organic channels
“A large part of our, actually the majority of our growth still comes from, you know, word of mouth and organic, and so that's been a critical lever of growth over the years.”
Zach Kitschke Jan 12, 2022 ▶ 7:27 Lessons Learned Scaling with Canva's CMO Zach Kitschke and SaaStr CEO Jason Lemkin
Assertion Partly supported
Kitschke: Over 80% of Canva users use non-English languages
“More than 80% of our community use Canva in a language other than English.”
Zach Kitschke Jan 12, 2022 ▶ 26:15 Lessons Learned Scaling with Canva's CMO Zach Kitschke and SaaStr CEO Jason Lemkin
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Kitschke: Many Fortune 500 Companies Have Thousands of Canva Users
“Many of the fortune 500 will have thousands of you know, individual users or small teams on the platform.”
Zach Kitschke Jan 12, 2022 ▶ 41:06 Lessons Learned Scaling with Canva's CMO Zach Kitschke and SaaStr CEO Jason Lemkin
Assertion Supported
D'Onofrio: Forbes Cloud 100 private cloud companies are worth $267B
“And these companies are worth an impressive two hundred and sixty seven billion dollars and include some companies that Bessemer is really proud to work with, such as Procore, Toast, HashiCorp, and Canva.”
Mary D'Onofrio Mar 14, 2021 ▶ 21:56 The State of the Cloud: 2021 with Bessemer Venture Partners | SaaStr Software Community
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