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Chestnut: SMB Software Sales Pipelines Need to Span Five to 10 Years
“It's a little bit weird with small businesses because sometimes with small businesses, they need like five years to figure it out and you know how it is. And so. We never really found the one show. What we found was that they just need lots of time to find the…”
Chestnut: Brand marketing is the most economical marketing founders can do
“It's actually the most economical marketing you do because it goes viral that people tell their friends about, and that's the cheapest marketing that you could pay for.”
Lemkin: Klaviyo Will Eclipse MailChimp and May Pass HubSpot Marketing
“It's gonna eclipse MailChimp, right? And it may even pass HubSpot as a, HubSpot's marketing piece because it's so valuable in e-commerce, right? Because you're so close to revenue.”
Chestnut scaled Mailchimp purely by ensuring his monthly bank balance grew
“I never had investors, so I never had to do reports. No business plan. I never, I had a monthly bank statement, and I said, what's What's the starting balance, and what's the ending balance? Ending should be bigger. And it always was bigger.”
Entertaining M&A talks creates irreversible executive momentum to sell the company
“If you don't ever want to get acquired, never open the door to anyone. Because here's, really, honestly, if you open the door and let one in, you have to bring your executive team in with you eventually, and once everyone gets in on that, it's very tough to ba…”
Founders cannot replicate Mailchimp's bootstrapping success in the current bundled cycle
“Now I think that we're at a different time when people want it bundled back together again, and the cycle is just going to keep continuing. I think right now I don't know that you could do what we did. Yeah, I think there, it will happen when there is a great …”
Lemkin: Mailchimp's revenue dropped nearly 20 percent last year at Intuit
“Mailchimp's revenue fell almost 20% last year at Intuit.”
Chestnut: Infusing humor and personality into the app was Mailchimp's key early unlock
“Turned out small business customers running a small business is dismal. I've learned over the years and they really need like A ray of sunshine, some sense of hope some kind of humor in the app, and so I think that was sort of the, that was the thing that kind…”
Chestnut: Mailchimp's 2,000-Subscriber Paywall Felt Like a Celebratory Rite of Passage
“Once their list grew to about 2000, that's when they felt like it was more, it was less of like a forcing mechanism mechanism, but more like a celebratory. Right of passage. Like if they could get their audience to 2000 and they had to start paying, they felt …”
Chestnut: Mailchimp bootstrapped because Atlanta funding was unavailable post-dot-com bust
“I couldn't get funding even if I wanted to after the dot com bust. I was in Atlanta, so don't use me as a hero.”
Founders giving sub-account keys to a new VP signals high churn risk
“What we looked at was if the founder set up a sub-account, You know, send a username and password to their VP. You're basically making a copy of the keys for a VP. That was the potential breaking point. That was our red flag. If a new VP comes on, they're not …”
Mailchimp scaled without any sales or customer success teams
“We've never had any kind of sales or customer success ever.”
Scaling from $800 million to $1 billion ARR is the hardest stage
“I'd studied the art of it, though, and I'd learned from a lot of CEOs and founders out there that you could Probably get up to eight hundred million, and that last two hundred million is the hardest you'll ever get, and that was absolutely true.”
Lemkin: Intuit laid off half of Mailchimp's core email deliverability team
“And one of the things they did was lay off like half of the deliverability team, including the two folks that were the experts there at Mailchimp.”
Lemkin: Mailchimp suffered a failed year-long M&A deal before Intuit sale
“They sold MailChimp to twelve billion to Intuit. There are actually a lot of learnings, but one is they had a deal before that, that fell apart and it almost destroyed the team. He said, going to your point, it really resonated almost destroyed the team. They …”
Mailchimp Grew from Tens of Thousands of Users to 1M in Year One of Freemium
“It was 10 years in, 2010, 2000 nine-ish, when we launched our freemium plan everything took off. It was this rocket ride right after that. I mean, we went from, I don't know, tens of thousands of users to a million in the first year, and then it doubled and do…”
Chestnut: Many SMBs rely on creative agencies to run Mailchimp
“A lot of our small businesses. I love to believe that small business entrepreneurs log into MailChimp and do all of their marketing. A lot of them rely on partners. And creative agencies. Yeah. And we have to really communicate to them everything that we're do…”
Mailchimp targeted lower ARPU to capture a larger denominator of small users
“We kind of went lower ARPU because we want a larger denominator. We want more and more small users than we do very, very big users.”
Chestnut: Mailchimp had no sales team two years prior
“Not two years ago. No, small little teams that, that dabble a little bit, but you know, we just hired a chief customer officer starting in a couple of weeks.”
Chestnut: A second product act takes hold at 30% of revenue
“We'll still be looking act one for a long time until act two, except, you know, what, 30, at least 30% of our revenue is my philosophy. Then really act two has taken hold.”
Chestnut: Digital brands need physical artifacts to make their brand feel real
“The thing about billboards and branding is one thing is I always wanted something tangible with our brand. I, everyone interacts digitally, but you need something to feel. So I always have like MailChimp toys, something that I want on your desk that you can fe…”
Adding Freemium Tiers Accelerated Growth For Atlassian, HubSpot, And MailChimp
“And in fact, we are seeing more and more companies add freemium additions at lastly and adding free HubSpot, adding free MailChimp, adding free as Three mature examples actually allowed their business to accelerate.”
Mailchimp's freemium tier was invented by an engineer avoiding splitting code
“And after a year, he said, it's impossible. Your code sucks so bad. Let me just keep it one product and just make it free up to a point. And really, that's where freemium came from.”
Mailchimp's freemium model drove 10,000 new customer signups every day
“We were so, with Freemium, we were getting, you know, I remember, 10,000 signups a day from new customers.”
Chestnut: Mailchimp aggregated 4 billion email addresses and trillions of interactions
“What that has led to is millions of small businesses importing their lists, and that has led to four billion email addresses and trillions of interactions that those email addresses have.”
Chestnut: Mailchimp Did Not Offer Free Trials Before Launching Freemium
“We didn't even have a free trial before that. You had to pay.”
Mailchimp grew to $300M ARR under Neil Bainton, $700M under Farrah
“Neil got us from like zero to three hundred million. Farrah got us from 300 to seven hundred million.”
Chestnut paid Mailchimp's early employees more cash than he paid himself
“I paid them more than I paid myself in those early years, too, by the way. You have to pay them. You don't have that massive funding. They want the cash. Sometimes I just didn't pay myself.”
Mailchimp lost enterprise accounts like Uber that paid six figures a month
“I mean, it was, I remember it was like six figures a month was the revenue that we were getting.”
VCs ignored Mailchimp until competitor Constant Contact went public in 2007
“We were in Atlanta, Georgia, and nobody bothered to fly over until one of our competitors, Constant Contact, went public in oh seven, and then suddenly people in suits started to show up at our door”