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Levie: Model Context Protocol integrations enhance rather than erode enterprise software moats
“I would actually argue that MCP is a thing that only enhances the underlying moat. Because data wants to be free. That doesn't mean that there's no moat around managing the data and making it useful. It wants to be incorporated in some other workflow. So for u…”
Levie: Enterprise AI budgets only account for 1-10% of IT spend
“There's no AI budget per se. When I, and when I referenced that, it's sort of like, there's every, everybody has like just some discretionary dollars for, you know, some R and D or innovation thing. And so that's probably right now the totality of the kind of …”
Levie: Public markets have appetite for 100 cloud and mobile IPOs
“What I would say is, is that there's plenty of room For companies that are benefiting from this very clearly secular change toward cloud and mobile. And if you've built a significant business on the back or benefiting from that, then there's maybe room, there'…”
Levie: SaaS growth is primarily a function of scaling investment
“Once you understand that dynamic, then actually the, your growth and your scale of your business is actually most functional to how much you invest in, in scaling it up. So once we figured that part out, and once capital was relatively cheap, we just decided, …”
Levie: Mature SaaS companies must shift to teen growth and 30%+ margins
“I think we look. Like probably what most companies are gonna have to look like at some point, which is you're probably growing teens. You're probably generating 30 plus percent operating margin. This is sort of the historical norm for software companies, and y…”
Box CRO: E-signature belongs in content clouds, not standalone apps
“It's our belief that electronic signature should be part of your content cloud, not another app that you have to go by.”
Box forfeited an estimated $100M in revenue refusing on-premise deployments
“We were multi-tenant from day one, and we made no exceptions to that. So when customers said, hey, can I go run this inside my data center? We said, no, you can't. And we lost, I could probably add up maybe a hundred million in revenue.”
End users buy specific features, not massive platforms
“Because end users don't want to buy platforms. They want to buy features. And so we got in through the feature and then we were able to ultimately turn that into a platform.”
Shen: Top SaaS companies scale from $1M to $10M in two years
“If you are a good company, you got from one to ten million in AR in just four years. That means you did a little better than a double, double, double, double, and you're on the same growth trajectories as companies like Cornerstone and Mindbody. If you're in t…”
Levie: Building everything enterprise customers request leads to failure
“A lot of companies confuse getting to know your customer and that customer intimacy with building whatever they ask for. And that's obviously the road to, you know essentially all of the broken enterprise dreams that we've always had”
Levie: Box would be a $25M business if it remained a departmental app
“We would be, I don't know, we'd be a twenty-five million dollar business. I mean, it would be a productivity app, and which is, like, completely nothing wrong with a productivity app, believe me but it would not have been able to be in a strategic conversation…”
Levie: Refusing philosophical misaligned features is why Box loses most deals
“Actually this is one of our bigger, one of our biggest categories of why we lose deals is because there's some weird feature that we are philosophically opposed to. Because we think it's going to hinder what the user is trying to accomplish or what the busines…”
Levie: Enterprise software will naturally shift to outcome-based pricing
“The closer we get to conveying those ultimate outcomes, the closer we get to pricing towards those outcomes. I think that will be the natural direction this space goes in.”
Levie: Box stages COO hires across $500M, $1B, and $2B revenue milestones
“The pattern is Is sort of somebody that can help take box to the next stage of growth at each, you know, kind of commensurate point where, where that, that person's experience is very relevant in, in driving the next stage of growth. And so, you know, we had o…”
Levie: Box bundles AI natively instead of charging for an add-on
“So actually this is sort of part of our, this is part of our theory on our pricing model is, is let's, let's create an instant win for the customer by just saying box has AI in it. Like, you know, if we were to start box over from scratch in 20, 23, AI would n…”
Box CRO: Growth rebound stems from unpaused digital transformation projects
“What we're seeing this year Is that all of the digital transformation initiatives that were backburnered at the start of the pandemic have now been brought to the front of the burner. So all that sort of neglected spend, all those projects that were put on hol…”
Box CRO: Box grew $100K+ new ARR deals by 56%
“In this most recent quarter, we drove 56% increase in hundred K plus deals, which is a fantastic result.”
Box CRO: 60-70% quota attainment is healthy for mature SaaS companies
“In a business like ours, where we're not hiring, you know, 40, 50% more reps per year, I really want to see sort of 60 to 70% of the reps making the number, because we are definitely hiring, and we do have people leave the company, so I think that's sort of a …”
Box CRO: Sales productivity per head rose by 68% over two years
“That's the productivity per head over, over two years has gone up 68%.”
Box CRO: Tying comp to renewals matters less than cultural shifts
“And so we did put renewals in the comp plan since I joined box. But the thing that I was really vocal about is that we can move it into the comp plan and it's a relatively small measure in their variable compensation, but it's really the cultural change and th…”
Levie: Disruption works by consolidating existing category spend into one suite
“The more you can be taking existing spend, existing categories, but just changing the variables a bit, so they favor your strategy. So what we do is we go to customers and we say, what if you had one solution that did all of these things, as opposed to buying …”
Levie: Architecture matters more than almost anything in building a platform
“Is architecture matters more than almost anything else you can imagine in that journey. Because if your feature is then completely disconnected to the next feature, and then thus the next feature, then you really aren't on your way to building a platform.”
Levie: Enterprise CEOs should prioritize customer expansion as much as net-new logos
“You align your time with where the, ultimately the dollars are gonna come from, and so, in the base, we often will have lots of customers that have significant expansion opportunity, and that can look as important or be as important as a net new, you know, log…”
Deeter predicts Slack, Peloton, DocuSign, and Box will benefit from pandemic
“Certainly a slack or a Peloton or a DocuSign or a box will probably benefit from this.”
Box uses sales reps for 25-employee companies while Atlassian uses none
“Box has, I think, a sales team that staffs, even, you know, 25 employee company can talk to a sales rep and engage, and those people are on quota, and that's a full team right there. And then on the extreme, on the other side of the spectrum is Atlassian, whic…”
Levie: Vertical workflow SaaS can out-earn horizontal platforms per customer
“If you're building a deep industry workflow, you actually could make more money from that customer than we can.”
Levie: Box has built one-off features for only six of 44,000 customers
“Out of 44,000 customers. We may have done that half a dozen times.”
Levie: Box prioritized unlocking higher customer tiers over lower-tier refinements
“We've met at many moments built something that was necessary for one tier of customer that didn't break our product for anybody, but maybe we had to prioritize getting to that next tier versus maybe the 95th percentile thing that we wanted to do on, on the tie…”
Lemkin: Box, HubSpot, and Shopify IPO'd at roughly $800M valuations
“When Rory invested in box with Aaron, when Rory's invested in HubSpot, those are pretty good ones. Shopify. These guys all IPO'd around a hundred million in revenue growing really fast off in 50, 60, 80% at like eight hundred million valuations.”
Lemkin: HubSpot and Box IPO'd Under $1 Billion Valuation
“When HubSpot IPO'd, it was worth eight hundred million. When Box IPO'd, it was worth nine hundred million. Public companies weren't even unicorns, ok, back then.”
Box CRO: Box has 100k+ customers and 67% Fortune 500 penetration
“We have about a little over a 100,000 customers and about 67% of the Fortune 500”
Box CRO: Box receives no inbound RFPs for content cloud bids
“The truth of the matter is, is there, we don't get any inbound RFPs for companies that are going out to bid for a content cloud.”
Box CRO: Early COVID boost was counterbalanced by attrition in travel
“I think that for us, the boost from COVID was sort of a measured one. So, but we certainly had a lot of customers, you know, we're in a land and expand business, like most SaaS companies. We have a lot of customers that purchased from us departmentally, and th…”
Box CRO: Box re-accelerated quarterly revenue growth to 14%
“And this is the fiscal year where we've been successful in turning that around, having three consecutive quarters of growth, our most recent one at 14%.”
Box CRO: Tracking renewals 12-18 months out helps save at-risk accounts
“We're now talking about renewals that are 12 and 18 months out, and that's a very healthy place to be in because with that kind of a window, if you have an account that's maybe at risk, then you have enough time that you can affect some change in that account.”
Levie: Box closed 74 deals over $100k last quarter primarily via expansion
“Last quarter we did, I don't know, 74 deals over a 100,000 dollars, so it's, that's a fraction of those deals. And you still have so many more that are just, they've adopted more of the product, and we have an incredible, you know, account executive that goes …”
Lemkin: Box's net retention rate varies from 90% to 130%
“Box is one of the actually old, old box is one of the most dramatic examples. Their NRR varies from 90 to one 30. Depending on how many modules and products you use.”
Stein: Box's business customers churned least and consumed fewest resources
“The best customers, the ones that were paying us the most, that churned the least, ah, that actually were, interestingly, consuming the least resources. From a cost of goods standpoint, were the businesses”
Levie: Box spent a full year on audits to close GE
“So, so we had to spend a year on working with the security team, the compliance team, the risk team, we did audits, there's testing.”