Publishers

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BIG TECHNOLOGY Assertion Contradicted
Prince: Web Crawls Per Publisher Referral Click Doubled Over Past Year
“Everything has gotten basically, assuming you're a publisher, from the publisher's perspective it's gotten twice as bad. They just double every one of those numbers over the last year.”
Matthew Prince Sep 2, 2026 ▶ 23:19 Cloudflare CEO: We're Ready To Block Millions of Websites From AI — With Matthew Prince
Ben Thompson: Top creators have no incentive to join Substack's bundle
“Yeah, the problem is the merchants who will drive, make that bundle valuable, have no incentive to join the bundle because they could make more just monetizing users directly.”
Ben Thompson Feb 12, 2026 ▶ 1:01:58 Ben Thompson from Stratechery on AI ads, the end of SaaS, and the future of media
BIGDEAL Disclosure
Robbins Retains Content Ownership Through Joint Ventures and Severed Audio Rights
“I own all my content. Publishers do not own my books. I do. Oh yeah, I do joint ventures. And I've severed all my audio rights.”
Mel Robbins Nov 12, 2025 ▶ 1:22:55 #1 Career Coach: Change Your Mindset, Change Your Life | Mel Robbins
BIG TECHNOLOGY Assertion Supported
Prince: Anthropic's 60,000-to-1 crawl-to-click ratio means publishers are completely dead
“I think they're dead at 250 or 1500 to one that we're seeing with OpenAI and completely dead at 60,000 to one that we're seeing with something like Anthropic.”
Matthew Prince Aug 13, 2025 ▶ 8:28 Can We Save The Web From AI? — With Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince
BIG TECHNOLOGY Prediction Not checkable as stated
Prince: Crawler paywalls will create a dynamic marketplace for content
“And so that's the sort of thing where I think a marketplace over time can develop where original valuable content will get compensated and there will be a clearing price in the market once we have that scarcity that's created by that wall.”
Matthew Prince Aug 13, 2025 ▶ 39:14 Can We Save The Web From AI? — With Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince
Prince: AI content licensing fails if competitors get content for free
“What I know won't work is if open AI is paying for your content, but you're giving it away for free to everyone else.”
Matthew Prince Aug 13, 2025 ▶ 43:18 Can We Save The Web From AI? — With Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince
Roy: OpenAI's business model depends on not negotiating with every publisher
“They feasibly cannot talk to every single publisher and have a conversation, have a request. Like, their business model is dependent on not having those conversations”
Ranjan Roy Jun 9, 2025 ▶ 55:17 Apple’s AI 'Gap Year' at WWDC?, Elon Vs. Trump Goes Nuclear, NYTimes’ OpenAI Attack
Jessica Lessin: Publishers must build AI tools and never license proprietary data
“Publishers have to build it themselves, and in no way, shape, or form should be turning that data over.”
Jessica Lessin Apr 25, 2025 ▶ 25:05 Google & Meta Trials, AI’s Media Collapse & Elon’s Tesla Comeback · More or Less Podcast
MORE OR LESS Prediction Not checkable as stated
Jessica Lessin: AI publisher licensing deals won't drive news product innovation
“The idea behind some of those deals is it will bring forth all sorts of new product innovation for news and other things, and I think it won't. I think basically these companies will be happy to pay the checks and take the checks, but that once again, a lot of…”
Jessica Lessin Dec 20, 2024 ▶ 1:00:36 #78: 2024 Tech Company of the Year + 2025 Predictions · More or Less Podcast
Sam Lessin says publishers are screwing up their OpenAI licensing deals
“All of these publishers are screwing up yet again with these open AI deals, right. Giving away all the value is information and it's very scarce.”
Sam Lessin May 31, 2024 ▶ 7:25 #49: The Big Ass Calendar… and Other Things NOT to Google · More or Less Podcast
Carr funds his cinematic promotional book trailers entirely out of pocket
“So I think maybe other publishers also think my publisher pays for these things, but it's really just me out of pocket as a business.”
Jack Carr May 29, 2024 ▶ 47:22 How This Ex-Navy SEAL Turned A Book Into A $1M+ Empire | Jack Carr Interview
Jessica Lessin: Non-subscription, ad-supported publishers are 'dead, dead, dead, dead'
“Publishers are dead, dead, dead, dead. Not subscription publishers, everyone else.”
Jessica Lessin May 17, 2024 ▶ 13:41 #47: Algorithm-Proof Media and New Twists in the AI War · More or Less Podcast
MORE OR LESS Assertion Not checkable as stated
Morin: Multiple AI teams knowingly chose data theft over paying publishers
“Here's a bunch of teams, not just one, but many AI teams standing on the precipice of making a moral decision. And they knew they either needed to pay for it or steal it. And some of the teams chose to steal it instead of paying for it.”
Dave Morin Apr 12, 2024 ▶ 12:11 #42: OpenAI, IP Theft and a New Incentive Structure for the Internet · More or Less Podcast
MORE OR LESS Prediction Not checkable as stated
Jessica Lessin: Publishers will accept low AI licensing payouts out of fear
“Like, they're all sitting here now saying, you know, do we take the relative pennies from OpenAI and Apple and everyone who wants to license our content? And I actually think, unfortunately, they are, because publishers are so scared about what any kind of dro…”
Jessica Lessin Apr 5, 2024 ▶ 40:24 #41: Is AI Killing Media? · More or Less Podcast
NO PRIORS Prediction Not checkable as stated
Srinivas: AI search will incentivize publishers to create higher-quality content
“I think it's just going to incentivize people to publish higher quality content. In order to get cited by an LLM powered answer, like Substack or things like that try to do, like you want to own your content and you publish it and make sure it's high quality a…”
Aravind Srinivas Apr 25, 2023 ▶ 29:43 No Priors Ep. 9 | With Perplexity AI’s Aravind Srinivas and Denis Yarats
ALL-IN Prediction Not checkable as stated
Friedberg: AI platform tooling will generate multi-hundred billion dollar markets
“Now, from a business model perspective, I don't think that publishers are really the play anymore, but I do think that platforms are going to be the play. And the platform tooling that enables the individuals to do this stuff and the platform tooling that enab…”
David Friedberg Apr 14, 2023 ▶ 34:48 E124: AutoGPT's massive potential and risk, AI regulation, Bob Lee/SF update
ALL-IN Prediction Partly held up
Palihapitiya predicts publishers will block non-paying AI agents from their content
“So this is going to happen for these agents. It's unrealistic to expect that it won't.”
Chamath Palihapitiya Feb 11, 2023 ▶ 54:20 E115: The AI Search Wars: Google vs. Microsoft, Nordstream report, State of the Union
ALL-IN Assertion Partly supported
Friedberg: Google AdSense pays out 70 cents per dollar to publishers
“First off, like Google today, just so people know on AdSense is typically paying out 70 cents on every dollar to the publisher.”
David Friedberg Feb 11, 2023 ▶ 54:39 E115: The AI Search Wars: Google vs. Microsoft, Nordstream report, State of the Union
ALL-IN Prediction Not checkable as stated
Friedberg: Breaking up Google's ad business will cause publishers to earn less
“And if you try and break this up, and if you actually do try and, you know, get into the weeds of this whole system and change it, the publishers ultimately will make less money.”
David Friedberg Jan 27, 2023 ▶ 11:06 E113: DOJ tries to break up Google, vaccine questions, Ukraine escalation & more
MY FIRST MILLION Assertion Contradicted
Holiday: Publishers Cap Subscription Book Discounts at 50%
“At the very, very best, you're gonna be able to get those books at 50% off from the publisher.”
Ryan Holiday Oct 4, 2022 ▶ 31:55 Ryan Holiday Reveals How Much Best Selling Authors Make, Crazy Peter Thiel Stories & More (#370)
Latka: Publishers only promote books with $200k+ advances to save their jobs
“If you have a small advance under 50 K, no one works hard to promote you because if it flops, no one loses their job. It's more than a 200 K advance. Somebody's getting fired.”
Nathan Latka Jul 29, 2022 ▶ 13:43 What you can learn from Vista Equity's former head of pricing
Evans: Eliminating ad targeting concentrates revenue into large platforms and paywalls
“So the aggregate of all of this is basically the strong get stronger, the big get bigger. The advertising moves to the big, strong, established sites. Small sites, new interim sites, less targeted sites makes less money. Content moves behind paywalls.”
Benedict Evans Jun 14, 2021 ▶ 36:03 Paying attention to Apple again
NEON SHOW Opinion
Traditional book publishers are not marketing experts
“Obviously publishers are not going to be, You know, despite their best efforts, they are not going to be marketing experts. And so, yeah, you have to take it in your hands completely.”
Karan Bajaj May 16, 2021 ▶ 29:00 Founder and CEO of @WhitehatJr Karan Bajaj on his journey | 100x Entrepreneur Podcast
Osborn: Evergreen Self-Published Books Can Be Handed Off to Traditional Publishers
“What I learned is that I think a lot of self-publishers out there whose content is evergreen, but they've gotten to a point where they don't have enough time to support the book or maybe to do more marketing. Maybe they're seeing sales drop off. Selling the bo…”
Tracy Osborn Apr 13, 2021 ▶ 5:50 Episode 545 | The Value of Learning 80/20 Design Fundamentals
TOP FOUNDERS Disclosure
MonetizeMore expands publisher accounts starting from 10% inventory split tests
“So they'll start you at 10%. And then once you kind of prove that you can make them more money, then they'll expand you more and more.”
Kean Graham Aug 18, 2020 ▶ 12:02 MonetizeMore Bootstrapped to $5m Run Rate in AdTech Space
TOP FOUNDERS Assertion Not checkable as stated
Bombora secures exclusive data rights with 70% of its publisher partners
“About like, 70% of those relationships that we have with those publishers are exclusive. So there is no way to get the buying signals anywhere else other than through Bombora.”
Eric Matlick Apr 9, 2020 ▶ 6:54 1720 Bombora CEO Hits $30m ARR, Applies for PPP, Finds Virus Patterns Among B2B Brands
KNOWLEDGE PROJECT Assertion Not checkable as stated
Howey: Standard publisher book advances typically range from $15,000 to $25,000
“So the way it works is a publisher offers you a lump sum of money to get the lifetime rights in all the rights. They're going to get the Print rights, the digital, the audio, the foreign rights by offering you a typical advance might be like 15 to 25,000 dolla…”
Hugh Howey Aug 6, 2019 ▶ 1:08:55 #63 Hugh Howey: Winning at the Self-publishing Game
Howey: Giving Worldwide Rights to a Single Publisher Is Crazy
“Giving worldwide rights to publishers now is crazy because the world market is getting more and more lucrative.”
Hugh Howey Aug 6, 2019 ▶ 1:29:33 #63 Hugh Howey: Winning at the Self-publishing Game
Gagnon: Most publishers and brands cannot afford in-house adtech development
“I think the reason you will see a consolidation, but you still have a lot of specialization in terms of, you know, being able to develop top-notch, state-of-the-art technology, and I do not think that the majority of publishers can afford, you know, to develop…”
Michel Gagnon Aug 2, 2018 ▶ 8:04 1104 $3m+ Adtech CEO on Threats from Cypto, Ad Management going in House
TOP FOUNDERS Assertion Not checkable as stated
Gagnon: Major Publishers Are Prioritizing Branded Content Revenue
“And I would say the big ones all have a focus on getting branded content money.”
Michel Gagnon Aug 2, 2018 ▶ 12:41 1104 $3m+ Adtech CEO on Threats from Cypto, Ad Management going in House
Operating an ad server and media business creates inherent conflicts of interest
“If you are now also a publisher, if you're also running a media business, you would actually measure yourself. And it's obviously a conflict of interest, which you cannot go with.”
Mark Grether Jul 11, 2018 ▶ 7:28 1082 Why Public Sizmek Went Private to Fuel Growth via M&A in Buy Side Programmatic Space
TOP FOUNDERS Assertion Not checkable as stated
Eighty percent of ShareThru's business and publisher traffic is on mobile
“80% of our business happens here. 80% of the traffic for a publisher happens here on the phone.”
Dan Greenberg May 18, 2018 ▶ 21:06 1028 Advertisers Put $250m Through Him Last Year As Top Google, Facebook Alternative
Holliday: Publishers are romantic about content; enterprises like GE focus on winning
“You know, the problem with publishers is they're very romantic about what they make. GE just wants to survive or win.”
Linda Holliday Apr 12, 2018 ▶ 8:03 992 Is She Building The New Wordpress for Enterprise?
TOP FOUNDERS Disclosure
Adler: Scribd primarily pays publishers on a per-read basis
“The main type these days is we will pay by the read of the book. So this way it, from their perspective, it more or less looks like a sale. So just like they're selling the book, we'll pay them anytime the user reads the book.”
Trip Adler Mar 20, 2018 ▶ 12:03 969 How Scribd Passed $54m in ARR Building Netflix for Books
TOP FOUNDERS Disclosure
Adler: Scribd pays publishers once users read 20% of a book
“So it's usually about 20% of the book is when that triggers the payment.”
Trip Adler Mar 20, 2018 ▶ 12:26 969 How Scribd Passed $54m in ARR Building Netflix for Books
TOP FOUNDERS Disclosure
About 20% of ShareASale publishers were sourced directly from retailers
“What we found is about 20% of publishers are finding programs from the retailers.”
Brian Littleton Feb 11, 2018 ▶ 7:24 932 How ShareASale CEO Kept 100% Equity, Sold For $35m+
TOP FOUNDERS Disclosure
ShareASale paid roughly 20,000 active publishers in the preceding year
“Over the past year or so, we've paid about 20,000 different publishers.”
Brian Littleton Feb 11, 2018 ▶ 8:56 932 How ShareASale CEO Kept 100% Equity, Sold For $35m+

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