Early Stage Startups

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20VC Insight
Tech compensation features three tiers including seven-figure superstar AI packages
“Now we're seeing three bands of compensation. We're seeing the regular human beings, then we're seeing the AI guys, and then we're seeing the one to five superstars that we're talking about, right? That I have to that I have to find a seven figure package for …”
Jason Lemkin Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 46:57 Canva Slashes Growth | Talent Exodus at Google | Revolut's $50B CEO Package | Musk's $55B Terrafab
Walker: Hiring a startup's first three engineers has never been harder
“I think that like, I think hiring the number one, number two, number three engineer of the business has almost never been harder. Because the alternatives are so obviously like hitting you over the head. If you can be a founding engineer at a startup, why coul…”
Peter Walker May 25, 2026 ▶ 33:15 Q1 2026 w/Carta: What you need to raise a Series A. | Peter Walker, Head of Insights at Carta · PMF Show
Mezzadra: Lifetime deals are the smartest way to raise non-dilutive capital
“Early stage, a lifetime deal is the smartest move you can make. You're basically raising capital from your customers without giving away equity, control, board seats, and getting amazing feedback. So I don't think there is anything better than this.”
Umberto Mezzadra Mar 29, 2026 ▶ 17:08 My App Made $120K in 24 Hours
a16z Insight
Caldwell: Startups should only vertically integrate if their existence depends on it
“You should not be vertically integrating just because you can save five percent or 10% or 20, even 50% on a subcomponent that does not kind of check the box of like, does the company exist or not?”
Turner Caldwell Mar 27, 2026 ▶ 35:54 Tesla and SpaceX Alumni on Elon Musk, Decision Velocity, and the Future of Hard Tech | a16z
Levin: Early-stage startups paying fundraising intermediaries is a negative signal
“Well, as an investor, certainly at the very early stages to me, it's somewhat of a negative signal. If I see that they've hired and are actually paying, whether it's an investment bank or you know, usually these are more boutique type of operations.”
Ron Levin Mar 17, 2026 ▶ 14:39 Why the Co-Founder Who Stayed CEO Was the Right Call
NEON SHOW Insight
MacInnis: Early-Stage Startups Should Never Take Money From Loss-Averse Funds
“Especially as an early stage company, don't do business. Don't take money from, Funds that are in any way loss averse, because that's where they get into this sort of pernicious misalignment of incentives you know, encouraging you to keep going because they do…”
Matt MacInnis Feb 7, 2026 ▶ 1:18:29 What Mistake Founders Make With A-Players | Matt MacInnis | COO Rippling
20VC Insight
Early-Stage Startups Should Take Negative-Margin Deals for Referenceable Logos
“Early stage company, look, we do, you'll do negative margin deals, right? Like we're going to do this deal, but we're going to lose money on the deal. But we need the referenceable account, and we'll make up for it later.”
Chad Peets Nov 7, 2025 ▶ 59:18 20Sales: Why You Need a CRO Pre-Product | Why Remote Sales Teams Do Not Work | How Snowflake Built a Sales Machine with Chad Peets
WE LIVE TO BUILD Assertion Not checkable as stated
Wolf: Startups trading massive equity for tiny angel checks almost always fail
“When you're writing checks of that size and the company's that early, they almost always fail.”
Brandon Wolf Jun 27, 2025 ▶ 23:07 Empty Calorie Revenue Is Silently Eating Your Profit
Yash Hemeraj: Revenue is the wrong progress metric for early-stage startups
“I mean, not always you find revenues. Revenue is the wrong proxy to look for, where the right proxy is to kind of look for validations, right?”
Yash Hemeraj Jun 20, 2025 ▶ 21:57 Navigating Early-Stage Enterprise AI Investments with BGV
Vijay: Early-stage startups should use patents defensively, not offensively
“Strategy for early stage startups should you know, my recommendation should never be on the offensive, that we have this patent, so you can't do it. Rather, it should be the other way around, since we have the patent, so we are, you know, legit to do it.”
Ritukar Vijay Jun 18, 2025 ▶ 22:15 EP10: Robots on the Move: Disrupting Delivery with Ottonomy ft Ritukar Vijay
Smith: Rapid AI Disruption Is Forcing Kickstart to Be Very Selective
“It feels like AI is raising the bar on an early stage startup on what they can do, what they can accomplish. And so it's making us be very selective in the investments we make because in three months we might be disrupted by something new.”
Matt Smith May 21, 2025 ▶ 16:27 Matt Smith from Kickstart on Early-Stage Investing in the Mountain States
Srugo: Feeling like drowning in early startups signals real customer demand
“Things are not going right if you are in control, like you really in the early stages should feel like you were kind of drowning. And that's when things are, you know, paradoxically going right, because you should have so many things that must be done as a rea…”
Pablo Srugo Mar 13, 2025 ▶ 35:08 Post-YC, he split with his co-founder—then grew profitably to $2M ARR with just 5 people. | Jon Y... · PMF Show
THE PITCH Assertion Supported
Downey: VCs are still writing checks despite pandemic slowdown
“Yeah, and I think, like, people are writing checks right now. It's definitely slowed down, to be clear, but we as investors are in the business of funding companies we think are going to be great.”
Sarah Downey Mar 4, 2025 ▶ 6:53 #90 How Startups Can Succeed in a Pandemic 2
THE PITCH Insight
Hyatt: Early-stage investing is betting on founder likability and pivot ability
“The number one thing you look for in these startups, because they're very early stage, is can they, can you work with them, and can they pivot? All companies pivot, no matter what, they'll pivot, all these companies are going to pivot five times, but can you w…”
Michael Hyatt Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 39:16 #40 Three Startups Enter. Only One Will Leave.
Flora: Early-stage startups learn nothing from ad-acquired customers
“You don't learn anything when you get a customer from an ad at an early stage.”
Brad Flora Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 18:00 The Right (And Wrong) Way To Spend Money At Your Startup · Y Combinator
20VC Insight
Hiring a great VP of Sales to sell a bad product is a curse
“I think that if you start as a small company and you have a, an amazing VP of sales, you know, they can sell anything, even if your product is really crappy. That's a curse. It's not something positive”
Eran Zinman Jan 17, 2025 ▶ 26:00 Eran Zinman, Co-Founder & Co-CEO @Monday.com: Going Upmarket, International and Multi-Product |E1247 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Srugo: Early-stage startup growth must be a byproduct of value, not a goal
“Growth is and must remain a side effect or byproduct and is destroyed and spoiled to the degree to which it has made a goal in itself, at least in the early days.”
Pablo Srugo Jan 9, 2025 ▶ 31:58 The 5 Steps to Product-Market Fit w/ Chris Saad, ex-Head of Product at Uber, Host of The Startup ... · PMF Show
SAASTR Insight
Lemkin: Early Startups Should Focus on Closing Deals Over Optimizing Pricing
“In the early days, just get close to customers. It almost doesn't matter whether you get, you don't need to optimize pricing. Kill basic, keep it, do a little A-B testing if you can, but it don't matter. Just close them, right?”
Jason Lemkin Dec 18, 2024 ▶ 32:40 How to Think About Product-Led Growth, Bootstrapping vs VC, and Early Exits with Jason Lemkin
TBPN Insight
Hayes: Investors should judge startups harshly for poor design
“I think that investors should be extremely judgmental of companies that have poor design, because it's basically You should figure out a way to get it done for almost zero dollars. And then all it takes from that point on is hiring one person who's a great des…”
Jordi Hays Nov 16, 2024 ▶ 1:33:45 What is the TRUMP BUBBLE? (ep11)
Srugo: 12-month financial forecasting harms early-stage startups
“What good does it do to go out, you know, 12 months and try to behave like a big company, and you're just pulling numbers out of, you know, out of nowhere. It does more harm than good because you kind of start And part of the reason I said that is because like…”
Pablo Srugo Nov 8, 2024 ▶ 15:34 VC funding is not popping back. THIS is the new normal—here's how to adjust. | Peter Walker, Hea... · PMF Show
PRODUCT MARKET FIT Assertion Not checkable as stated
Walker: 409A auditors benchmark startups against datasets skewed toward major successes
“That's kind of how like auditors sometimes compare startups to their growth rates when they're setting four or nine A's or things like that. Like they're using data sets that include only the absolute major successes and not actually the full data set that inc…”
Peter Walker Nov 8, 2024 ▶ 16:29 VC funding is not popping back. THIS is the new normal—here's how to adjust. | Peter Walker, Hea... · PMF Show
20VC Insight
Saarinen: Early-stage founders buy via word-of-mouth, not paid ads
“Our first group of customers for startups, like small startups, early stage startups, those people don't even look at ads. Like they, I don't think they pick products because they see ads like out, out there somewhere. They pick products because they hear abou…”
Karri Saarinen Oct 30, 2024 ▶ 16:12 Karri Saarinen: How to Grow Capital Efficiently in a World of BS Growth | E1221 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Hamid: Valuing early-stage startups on revenue multiples is a mistake
“Yeah, I think it's really a mistake to look at revenue multiples at like half a million.”
Mamoon Hamid Oct 21, 2024 ▶ 46:05 Mamoon Hamid: AI - Where Value Accrues, Startups vs Incumbents & Scaling Laws | E1217 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Blomfield: Over-optimizing early pricing is a big mistake for startups
“And just remember, if your company is successful, these initial five, 10 customers you sign up at the start are going to be a tiny, tiny fraction of the revenue you make over the next five years. And so It's more important to start signing deals and getting to…”
Tom Blomfield Jul 25, 2024 ▶ 15:48 How To Price For B2B | Startup School · Y Combinator
Weisbrot: Transparency is rare in startups because founders must project success
“And I feel like transparency is not really the norm in early stage startups because the goal is to pretend publicly that everything's fine so that you can make your investors happy. You can get more clients, but privately, typically things are shit show.”
Sean Weisbrot Jul 16, 2024 ▶ 5:56 She Hit $1M and Tried to Maintain It. Her Soul Would Not Allow It.
20VC Insight
Lee: Hiring junior PMs is an arbitrage opportunity for early startups
“And I think a lot of times like junior folks are oftentimes the cheapest, but also like from a pure salary perspective, but also can be a huge force multiplier and just a large arbitrage opportunity.”
Janie Lee Jun 14, 2024 ▶ 44:23 Janie Lee: Three Core Skills that Make the Best PMs | E1165 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Lerner: Traditional corporate performance skills are useless in early-stage startups
“The way you get promoted in a lot of companies, in product, in marketing, is by doing the stuff you're supposed to do, but doing it faster and doing more of it and making fewer mistakes and managing more people and more budget and making good decks. And none o…”
Matt Lerner May 31, 2024 ▶ 37:34 Matt Lerner: How to Hire Growth Leaders and Teams and Why in a World of AI | E1159 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Lerner: Early-stage startups must turn the entire company into the growth team
“So in an early stage startup, I think there just comes a point where your company becomes the growth team, right? Like you go through fundraising, you go through building your product, and sort of the eye of Sauron turns, and it's like time to do growth, becau…”
Matt Lerner May 31, 2024 ▶ 48:16 Matt Lerner: How to Hire Growth Leaders and Teams and Why in a World of AI | E1159 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Siroker: Early-stage board members struggle to gain enough founder context
“I do think boards as a company gets bigger and bigger and closer to going public are really important for governance and accountability. But when the company is so early on, it's very, very hard for a board member to get up to speed. You know, they're showing …”
Dan Siroker May 15, 2024 ▶ 34:38 Dan Siroker: Second-Time Founders Are More Investable & Why Not To Hire People Out of College |E1153 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Shurtz: Early Startups Should Target Category Killer Logos Over Volume
“So for me, the entire orientation of an organization in the early, early stages, I'm talking like sub a hundred. Now I think needs to be figure out the industries and the verticals. You can be successful and go get brand names, category killers and rotate hard…”
Larry Shurtz May 10, 2024 ▶ 37:00 Larry Shurtz: How to Hire, Train & Retain the Best Vertical Teams | E1151 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Hulme: Free products generate bad feedback because users don't value them
“I see a lot of businesses, and it's slightly different in consumer, but they will not charge their early adopters, they won't charge their design partners, they won't charge their ICPs, and the problem with that is you don't know if it's valued. And generally …”
Tom Hulme May 8, 2024 ▶ 1:03:26 Tom Hulme: Lessons from a 24x Angel Track Record, 275x on Robinhood & Making Billions on Uber |E1150 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Startups incorrectly treat beta programs as mere bug-fixing stages
“Many early stage startups launch a beta with a presumption and maybe even the dependency that all that's being Tweaked in the beta is, is bug fixes. You know, you'd like, you really don't want to learn anything net new about your customer in the beta. You're, …”
Jack Newton Mar 8, 2024 ▶ 10:40 Jack Newton, Founder of Clio | How to Run a Beta Program · PMF Show
Srugo: Early startups need zero overhead, not extra capital or developers
“The later stage of a company you are, the more it makes sense to trade overhead for resources... And in the early days, you think that also applies. Like if only I had more money, if only I had a few more developers, you actually want zero overhead. Like the l…”
Pablo Srugo Mar 8, 2024 ▶ 31:05 How I lost $6M, Why hype means nothing, Plus a dozen other lessons from our last startup · PMF Show
Wensing: Downsizing an Early-Stage Startup From 15 People Is Almost Impossible
“You hire enough people, you've basically created this complex system of scaling that back is super hard. Like imagine you have 10 or 15 people and you're like, I don't even know if we can reduce this to two or three people at this point, because I don't know h…”
Matt Wensing Feb 20, 2024 ▶ 28:31 Episode 701 | The Long Journey to Product-Market Fit
SAASTR Insight
Dietrich: Early-stage startup marketers often fail to implement basic attribution tracking
“One of the things I see at earlier stage startups is that the marketers don't put in place their attribution tracking, and they really don't have the tech stack, and they can't see into the right data. So they, Not only don't have a balanced scorecard with the…”
Carrie Lou Dietrich Jan 10, 2024 ▶ 8:14 The 7 Biggest Mistakes CMOs Make (And How to Avoid Them) with the CMOs of Databricks, Zoom, and Okta
20VC Insight
Early-Stage Startups Must Focus Purely on Shipping Speed
“You couldn't afford to do that earlier on. You would, you just have to have an existential crisis and ship as quickly as you can.”
Geoff Charles Dec 6, 2023 ▶ 18:40 Geoff Charles: How To Hire Product Teams & Increase Product Velocity | E1091 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Seibert: High late-stage salaries prevent talent migration to early-stage startups
“And that's probably the counterforce is all of these big companies who raised huge rounds in 20, 21 have high salaries. And if you switch, you'll get more equity, but way less cash. And so that's probably keeping folks where they are.”
Jeff Seibert Nov 22, 2023 ▶ 52:09 Jeff Seibert: Why OpenAI Will Become an Infrastructure Play | E1085 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Early enterprise sales drain startup resources through custom feature demands
“Those large enterprises, especially in an early stage startup, they will suck the life out of that startup because they will say, I need these hundred features.”
Chris Degnan Nov 10, 2023 ▶ 25:54 Chris Degnan: Why You Should Hire a Head of Sales Sooner Than You Think | E1080 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
CATALYST Insight
Kann: Modeling 5-year cost structures with extreme precision wastes time
“If you're using it to get to a ridiculous level of precision on the cost structure that you expect to achieve in, in five years, you've probably wasted some time.”
Shayle Kann Oct 5, 2023 ▶ 47:26 Climate tech startups need strong techno-economic analysis (TEA)
20VC Insight
Paley: Easy access to early capital usually destroys startup value
“The easy access to money at a accelerated stage that the company is not ready for usually will destroy the company's value.”
Eric Paley Sep 20, 2023 ▶ 17:49 Is the VC Model Broken? Jason Lemkin, Mike Maples, Eric Paley & Harry Stebbings Debate | E1062 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Lessin: Willingness to join early startups anti-correlates with sales talent quality
“I think sales is incredibly hard to hire at startups, specifically because the whole nature of sales is like the people who want to go early are like anti correlated with the good people, right?”
Sam Lessin Aug 11, 2023 ▶ 48:24 DEBATE: State of Seed Investing w/ Jason Lemkin, Sam Lessin, Frank Rotman & Harry Stebbings | E1047 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Isford: Early startups shouldn't spend time perfecting growth metrics
“That exercise is not one I would spend too much time on because the reality is, especially in earlier stages, your customer base is going to evolve and change pretty dramatically in the years following when you define that metric and you'll probably want to ch…”
Lauryn Isford Jul 19, 2023 ▶ 0:11 Lauryn Isford: Product Growth Secrets from Facebook, Airtable, BlueBottle, Dropbox & Notion | E1037 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Egan: Early-stage startups need generalist sales reps before scaling specialized ones
“Early days of hiring reps, you're going to need Renaissance reps that have a very wide breadth of skill sets who enjoy the building process. And as things go on and you start to sell, scale your sales team, you're going to see reps that are there for really to…”
Kevin Egan Jul 12, 2023 ▶ 18:15 Kevin Egan: Biggest Lesson on Managing Sales Teams at Slack and Atlassian | E1034 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Egan: Early-Stage Startups Should Avoid Hiring Coin-Operated Sales Reps
“It does not pay to have coin-operated sales reps in the early days. They're going to be overly focused on quotas and crushing their number to get to a certain outcome. The early days are really about who is creating the best connection between my developing pr…”
Kevin Egan Jul 12, 2023 ▶ 19:14 Kevin Egan: Biggest Lesson on Managing Sales Teams at Slack and Atlassian | E1034 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Lawler: Early-stage startups only exist as long as founders force them to
“And I think entrepreneurs hate that advice of like, it only exists for as long as you make it exist. And then like, once you stop trying, it goes away.”
Emma Lawler Jun 29, 2023 ▶ 13:42 Business ideas worth paying attention to
20VC Insight
Gotthilf: Early-stage startups cannot easily run statistically significant tests
“It's really hard really early on in early stage startups, which is where I'm focusing my time now, because you don't have enough people for statistical significance.”
Gina Gotthilf Jun 21, 2023 ▶ 19:00 Gina Gotthilf: Lessons Scaling Duolingo from 3-200M Users; How to Master PR and Comms | E1028 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Srugo: Real demand makes enterprise customers tolerate unpolished software
“If the core thing you're going after is real people will, you call enough customers, you will find some that are willing to go through hoops, as you said, To wait longer than they should, to forego spelling errors and contracts, just to get the thing that they…”
Pablo Srugo Jun 1, 2023 ▶ 20:45 Andrew McLeod, Founder of Certn ($100M+ Raised) | How to Find Product Market Fit · PMF Show
Miller: Early-stage startups require in-person work and long hours together
“So right now, at this particular moment in my life, I'm probably not gonna go hard at a super early stage startup. Right. Because I believe that you probably need to be in person and working really hard together for long periods of time.”
Nikita Miller Apr 6, 2023 ▶ 42:35 Driving alignment within teams, work-life balance, and the changing PM landscape | Nikita Miller
The first ten employees at early-stage startups tend to be non-conformists
“The people that tend to like working at the first 10 employees tend to be nonconformist. Right. Cause there's no structure. It's like chaos. So that's like a really good move versus going into like the big tech treadmill.”
Dalton Caldwell Feb 5, 2023 ▶ 15:47 The Cult of Conformity in Silicon Valley · Y Combinator
20VC Insight
Doshi: Craftsperson product leader is the default early-stage hire
“That is a reasonable default, especially if you're early stage, say perhaps pre-PMF or just about reaching PMF. Then craps person is of good default.”
Shreyas Doshi Feb 3, 2023 ▶ 8:58 20Product: When to Hire a CPO, The Three Different Types of CPO, How To Know What You Need, How To Structure the Hiring Process, What Are the Must-Ask Questions, What Tests and Case Studies Should Be Used, How Should Their Compensation Package Be Structur
20VC Insight
Lemkin: Startups that raise massive early capital become un-acquirable and "dead"
“When you raise massive amounts of money early, how are you going to sell for 10 X what you raise? Who's going to buy you for five hundred million dollars? You're dead.”
Jason Lemkin Jan 13, 2023 ▶ 29:13 Jason Lemkin: WTF is Going On in VC? Are LPs Investing in New Funds? | 20VC #965 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Caldwell: Ex-Google executives join early startups because they underperformed or misunderstood reality
“What usually happens is they either are, either they joined your startup because they're, they weren't doing well. I'm trying to think of a nice way to say it. Either there's a reason they joined your startup and left Google, or they had expectations that you …”
Dalton Caldwell Jan 11, 2023 ▶ 19:10 The Secrets To Setting Smarter Goals · Y Combinator
Epstein: Early-stage startups should focus exclusively on a single business model
“However, for your purposes, as an early stage startup, you should just have a single business model that you're focused on.”
Aaron Epstein Dec 15, 2022 ▶ 3:04 Startup Business Models and Pricing | Startup School · Y Combinator
Pujji: OKRs fail for early-stage startups dealing with high uncertainty
“My experience, okay, ours are really good when a company understands itself really well. Most people listening, me, you guys, like, we don't know our business that way.”
Jesse Pujji Dec 13, 2022 ▶ 25:41 Why Airlines Are Banks, How to Annual Plan for Your Business & The Biggest Myths About Founders
20VC Insight
Weil: Rigid product strategies require product-market fit; early startups pivot frequently
“Like you invest in the early stages in companies and they're going to pivot three times before they find anything. So laying out a strategy and sticking to something, it assumes that you have some degree of product market fit.”
Kevin Weil Oct 7, 2022 ▶ 18:08 Kevin Weil: Lessons from Leading Product at Instagram & Twitter | 20VC #934 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
SAASTR Insight
Riederle: First sales rep must be a scrappy builder, not a big-company hire
“I think you need someone who is really able to find their own leads, is really able to hustle, is hungry, Can live in an environment where there's nothing there yet, where there's no established process, who is really a builder and wants to build things, who w…”
Veronika Riederle Sep 6, 2022 ▶ 8:06 Navigating the Rocky Road from Founder-Led Sales to The First Dozen Sales Professionals | Demodesk
20VC Insight
Early-stage startups should keep PR in-house rather than hiring external agencies
“Even if it doesn't work, you're much better in-housing it than throwing it over to someone else and having them give a, you know, probably not their best performance and trying to get you placement.”
Logan Bartlett Aug 30, 2022 ▶ 50:04 Logan Bartlett: WTF is Happening at Growth Stage Investing? | 20VC #920 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
ARR does not matter in the early days of a startup
“Early days, I don't care at all about what price people pay. ARR doesn't matter at all. There's a hot take from a sales leader early days. I think the only thing that matters is that you're learning and that you have good customers who are good fits that are g…”
Jordan Van Horn Aug 17, 2022 ▶ 14:15 Jordan Van Horn: 3 Reasons Salespeople Fail; How to Make a Sales Playbook | 20VC #918 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Hoover: Momentum is reflexive and critical in early-stage startups
“Momentum matters so much. And momentum is reflexive in that, you know, high momentum leads to more high momentum, low momentum leads to more low momentum, because there's this energy that, that kind of goes through companies where when there is momentum, when …”
Ryan Hoover Aug 7, 2022 ▶ 40:19 How to launch and grow your product | Ryan Hoover of Product Hunt and Weekend Fund
Widjaja: Startups testing with friends and family need nearly 80% retention
“So if you are much smaller, like your friends and family, that better be near close to 80%, no matter what, because if you can't even convince the people who care about you to use the product, it probably isn't gonna solve the job for anyone else.”
Crystal Widjaja Jul 31, 2022 ▶ 25:41 How to scrappily hire for, measure, and unlock growth | Crystal Widjaja, Gojek and Kumu

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