Private Equity Firms

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HOW I BUILT THIS Assertion Not checkable as stated
A private equity firm demanded controlling interest in exchange for 17% equity
“They're asking for a controlling interest in your company for a 17% of your equity, you know.”
Lily Kanter Aug 3, 2026 ▶ 43:49 Serena & Lily: Serena Dugan and Lily Kanter. They Built a $20M Brand—Then One Investor Almost Destroyed It
Kurdin: Private equity buyouts create a multi-year opening for startups to disrupt incumbents
“If a company is bought by a private equity firm, that typically to me means that A, it's a big market that people have sharks, but B, the B firm will like rip out the people. They'll go through like a period of fast growth and they're going to sell it. There's…”
George Kurdin Jun 22, 2026 ▶ 13:01 He shut down his last startup and gave the money back—then hit $1M ARR in 6 months. | George, Fou... · PMF Show
TBPN Prediction Not checkable as stated
Gerstner predicts private equity will buy services firms to AI-turbocharge them
“So it seems to me that that's a more likely outcome, you know Thrive Holdings buying a Kirkland and Ellis and saying, now we're going to, you know, take this thing and AI turbocharge it. I think you're going to see a lot of that out of private equity firms, ou…”
Brad Gerstner May 29, 2026 ▶ 26:12 Where Brad Gerstner Is Investing Billions
TBPN Assertion Supported
Coogan: OpenAI offers PE firms a 17.5% minimum return
“OpenAI is offering private equity firms a guaranteed minimum return of 17.5%, as well as early access to models not yet in public release.”
John Coogan Mar 23, 2026 ▶ 19:33 SpaceX’s Lunar Mass Driver, OpenAI Hires Meta’s Top Ad Exec, Zuck Builds CEO Agent | Diet TBPN
20VC Prediction Not checkable as stated
Rajaram: High-valuation, low-growth startups will become zombies and sell to PE
“A bunch of them are going to become zombie companies, And they're going to try to add AI features as a last resort, not succeed and be sold to PE.”
Gokul Rajaram Mar 16, 2026 ▶ 28:56 Gokul Rajaram: How to Analyse for Durability and Defensibility in a World of AI · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Seides: Private Equity Transactions Remain Frozen by Multi-Turn Valuation Spread
“Private equity firms only want to buy if they get a great deal, and they only want to sell if they're getting full value. There's a few turns of multiples in the middle, and you haven't seen that thought quite yet.”
Ted Seides Dec 22, 2025 ▶ 9:25 Year in Review 2025 (EP.478)
Seides: Many Private Equity Firms Have Already Raised Their Last Fund
“There are a lot of private equity firms out there today who don't realize they've already raised their last fund.”
Ted Seides Dec 22, 2025 ▶ 12:16 Year in Review 2025 (EP.478)
INVEST LIKE THE BEST Prediction Not checkable as stated
Private equity firms will effectively and systematically apply AI across portfolios
“I actually think these private equity firms are going to be pretty good at systematically applying AI.”
Gavin Baker Dec 9, 2025 ▶ 39:51 GPUs, TPUs, & The Economics of AI Explained | Gavin Baker Interview · Invest Like The Best
NEON SHOW Prediction Not checkable as stated
Dash: M&A and PE will drive startup liquidity over IPOs
“I think what we're going to see more of is acquisitions by private equity firms and other startups, mergers, and of course, strategics being a form of liquidity versus just the IPO.”
Somesh Dash Nov 18, 2025 ▶ 1:03:51 What 20 Years of Investing taught Somesh Dash of IVP after backing Perplexity, Figma, Dropbox
Scilipoti: Private equity blindly piles into companies Nvidia invests in
“If you see that my name as a key investor and a leader in this industry is making an investment in this company, well, then what does everybody else do? Warren Buffett tells you he's buying something. What does everybody do? They go buy it. Well, if NVIDIA is …”
Anthony Scilipoti Oct 28, 2025 ▶ 37:10 Forensic Account: The Bubble No One is Talking About | Anthony Scilipoti
SAASTR Assertion Not checkable as stated
PE Acquisitions of Classic SaaS at 6-10x Multiples Have Disappeared
“Private equity firms aren't interested either. And there used to be from 2012, 2013 until 2023. So there was a decade where if your growth was decent, but not great in SAS, but your burn rate was low and your NRR was high, maybe VCs wouldn't touch you, but a p…”
Jason Lemkin Oct 22, 2025 ▶ 40:50 The State of AI + Software: Where It’s Going - Fast
KNOWLEDGE PROJECT Assertion Partly supported
Cool: US private equity firms grew from 25 to 20,000 since 1980
“For example, in the 19 eighties, there were, you know, 20, 25 private equity firms In 2020, we got close to 20,000 in the U.S.”
Tracy Britt Cool Oct 14, 2025 ▶ 7:33 Building Great Businesses | Tracy Britt Cool
Bhargava: Independent PE firms rely on founder relationships more than megafunds
“So that's not something that I think you need to do as much if you are at a large established, you know, for 30 years private equity firm and you're one of, you know, 15 partners. It's much more important for us, you know, cause we're kind of doing everything …”
Neel Bhargava Oct 7, 2025 ▶ 14:30 Why Two of Neel's Best Deals Came From Knowing an Industry Too Well
ALL-IN Disclosure
Chamath: 8090 is run-rating nine figures with zero revenue from PE firms
“So if I look at my customer distribution and concentration at eighty-ninety, ok? Run rating into nine figures already, working on a three, four hundred million dollar deal. Not a single dollar comes from a private equity firm”
Chamath Palihapitiya Oct 3, 2025 ▶ 30:24 Biggest LBO Ever, SPAC 2.0, Open Source AI Models, State AI Regulation Frenzy
20VC Opinion
O'Driscoll: PE firms pivoting to minority late-stage tech deals is stupid
“Going from what they do to making non-controlled late stage investments Just because, you know, pick a name, Thrive do that well would be, in my view, stupid because Thrive are really good at that, and they're not.”
Rory O'Driscoll Oct 2, 2025 ▶ 1:10:38 Are Burn Multiples BS in an AI World? & Sam Altman Needs $1TRN of Energy · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Private equity's alpha in SMB rollups is optimizing workforce efficiency
“What we realized is what PE firms were simply doing was optimizing workforce efficiency. And that was their alpha of why they think they can roll up every dermatology practice in America and flip them to 10% greater EBITDA profitability.”
Sahil Phadnis Sep 8, 2025 ▶ 34:41 TechCrunch called this YC founder a fraud at 18—then he built a $10M ARR fintech. | Sahil Phadnis... · PMF Show
Y COMBINATOR Assertion Not checkable as stated
Englander: Ten percent of top global financial firms use Model ML
“We can say now that we're about 10% of the largest private equity firms and investment banks in the world use our product.”
Chas Englander Jul 31, 2025 ▶ 4:54 The Finance Startup Bringing Agentic AI to Wall Street · Y Combinator
Naimi: Tight feedback loops give hedge funds shorter lifespans than VC or PE
“I think the, Feedback lips and hedge funds are too tight. I think you can convince yourself you're a good investor or convince yourself you're a bad investor too quickly in, in, in hedge funds, and I think there's, which is why, I mean, if you look at hedge fu…”
Ramtin Naimi Jul 29, 2025 ▶ 1:38:00 How This VC Went From Broke to Becoming the Hot Hand in Silicon Valley · Invest Like The Best
Private equity's focus on raising larger funds incentivizes bad behavior
“If you watch what firms do, maybe not what they say, but what they actually do, their objective statement is go raise the next fund, go raise a bigger fund. And I think that that makes sense, right? That's how they stay in business, but I think it can lead to …”
Graham Weaver May 27, 2025 ▶ 1:34:32 How Graham Weaver Turns Recent Grads Into CEOs · Invest Like The Best
Younger PE Funds Invest More in Portfolio Success Than Large Managers
“What I loved about them was they were a newer, younger private equity firm that wanted to prove themselves. And when they are that way, they're going to show up and be invested in your business succeeding because their name and reputation relies on it. The big…”
Kevin Wagstaff May 27, 2025 ▶ 45:38 Episode 776 | How Bootstrapping Led to a Life-Changing $90M SaaS...
WE LIVE TO BUILD Assertion Not checkable as stated
Shepherd: PE Demands for Startup Efficiency Mean Strictly Higher ROAS and ROI
“In the current interest rate environment, private equity firms that run startups have demanded over the last three years what they call efficiency. And by efficiency, they almost always mean higher return on investment, higher return on ad spend, higher ROI, w…”
Brooke Shepherd May 6, 2025 ▶ 24:12 80% Growth During COVID Came From the Brands Everyone Else Ignored
20VC Assertion Not checkable as stated
Lemkin: Private equity firms are not inquiring about mediocre-growth SaaS startups
“Folks that in this sort of mediocre growth level, they're getting no, no tire kicking. Are you seeing lots of tire kicking? It's not happening. Cause I ain't seeing it.”
Jason Lemkin Apr 17, 2025 ▶ 19:49 a16z's $20BN Fund & Founders Fund's $4.6BN & Why Josh Kushner Has Mastered the Game · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
O'Driscoll: Private equity prefers niche vertical monopolies over venture-backed SaaS
“PE guys ironically love the things that we don't love. Let me tell you what I mean by that. They love a boring ass software company. In a teeny tiny vertical, with 40% market share, where they can screw the customers for the next five years by raising prices b…”
Rory O'Driscoll Apr 17, 2025 ▶ 20:02 a16z's $20BN Fund & Founders Fund's $4.6BN & Why Josh Kushner Has Mastered the Game · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
TBPN Insight
Kohli notes crossover and private equity firms have largely abandoned venture deals
“And we're not seeing as much of, you know, cause what happened in 2021, 22 was you had crossover firms really come in, right? Private equity firms, public firms come in to venture. We don't see that anymore. I think we, at least we're not seeing too much of it…”
Avlok Kohli Apr 9, 2025 ▶ 12:00 Why LPs Are Using STABLECOINS to INVEST in Startups | Avlok Kohli on TBPN April 4th
TBPN Insight
Bartlett: Private equity firms have institutional moats preventing spin-out competitors
“So if you're a private equity firm, if you're Apollo, or Blackstone, or BlackRock, or whoever it is, right, and you're this big entity the people within your firm can't really leave and compete with you, because there's so much institutional infrastructure aro…”
Logan Bartlett Mar 17, 2025 ▶ 17:36 Logan Bartlett talks about the history of VC, current sentiment, and are we back to 2021?
Charles: Market shifts impact PE firms by scale level more than strategy
“Changes in the market impact firms that share a level a lot more than firms that share the same strategy. That's pretty unique. A level eight infrastructure firm and a level eight buyout firm are impacted by the market in more similar ways Than a level two and…”
Ian Charles Feb 10, 2025 ▶ 14:28 Ian Charles - Private Equity's New Rules (EP.431)
CAPITAL ALLOCATORS Assertion Not checkable as stated
Charles: The top 700 private equity firms control 90% of capital
“Those 15 firms, which is .2% of the universe that we track, controls about 20% of the AUM. If you go down just two more rungs that go level seven to level 10, those 700 firms control 90% of the capital.”
Ian Charles Feb 10, 2025 ▶ 16:05 Ian Charles - Private Equity's New Rules (EP.431)
Jacobs: Middle-market PE rollups create messy, unintegrated businesses
“You see a lot of these middle market private equity firms do that. They roll up these small companies. They're doing five, 10, twenty million dollars EBITDA each, and they bat, they just buy a bunch of them, and now they're up to a hundred million or two hundr…”
Brad Jacobs Dec 24, 2024 ▶ 1:07:59 Best of 2024: The Blueprint for a Transformative New Year
a16z Opinion
Joe Schmidt: Private equity optimizes for short-term IRR over long-term value
“Private equity firms typically are optimizing for IRR, internal return. And they're less focused on like ultimately like a multiple on money, basically saying like they're not focused on the biggest possible version of the company that they can build.”
Joe Schmidt Dec 23, 2024 ▶ 3:07 AI-Powered Acquisitions: A New Playbook
CAPITAL ALLOCATORS Assertion Supported
McCusker: Large PE firms built 100-person sales teams for RIA market
“We looked at some of the big private equity firms starting to raise hundred person sales forces to attack that market, and we thought, well, that's not really implementable for any PC, so let's keep it on there, but we don't really have anything right now.”
Tim McCusker Dec 9, 2024 ▶ 16:17 Asset Management Consolidation - Simon Krinsky, Hall Capital and Tim McCusker, NEPC (EP.421)
Heller: Most PE firms lack time to source and structure niche assets
“I mean, we have to spend a lot of time to find these things. We have to spend a lot of time to structure these things. We have to spend a lot of time to understand these things. And I think it's something that a lot of other Private equity firms, asset manager…”
Chris Heller Dec 2, 2024 ▶ 9:17 Chris Heller - Ten Years of Weird Alternatives (EP.420)
Michalik: Service jobs teach real-world business better than finance internships
“Everybody wants an internship today at a private equity firm or an investment bank, and I would call it the school of the real world. I think there's nothing better, be it working as a waitress or a waiter in a restaurant or working in a service business or wo…”
Chris and Rob Michalik Nov 11, 2024 ▶ 8:24 Chris and Rob Michalik - Twin Tackle of Private Equity at Kinderhook (EP.416)
NEON SHOW Insight
Ferrari: Deep product operating experience yields superior underwriting over PE
“Well, I think having operated dozens, if not hundreds of digital products deeply, Will serve you better than having seen as many or even more on a shallow level. Had we only worked on one product, then I think it would be better to have seen hundreds at a shal…”
Luca Ferrari Sep 20, 2024 ▶ 1:23:07 $2.5 Billion Tech Empire Built On Acquisitions, Efficiency, & Pure Ambition w/ Founder, Luca Ferrari
Samuels: GP stake backers pressure firms to scale, diluting focus
“But they're going to want to grow that base, and oftentimes there's pressure to scale and diversify the revenue streams, which can be a big distraction for folks if they have to manage a smaller fund, lower middle market buyout pool when they've only been doin…”
Sarah Samuels Aug 12, 2024 ▶ 23:01 Succession - Sarah Samuels on Generational Transitions (EP.400)
SAASTR Disclosure
Lemkin: All my billion-dollar investment exits have come from PE firms
“All of my billion dollar exits as an investor have come to PE firms.”
Jason Lemkin Jun 26, 2024 ▶ 42:06 Forget the SaaS Gloom and Doom. Just Build. with SaaStr CEO and Founder, Jason Lemkin
KNOWLEDGE PROJECT Assertion Not checkable as stated
Beshore: Private equity holding a business past five years signals deep distress
“Most private equity firms now are targeting what they'd like is two to three years. So from the time we buy something till the time we sell it is two or three years. Again, maybe four or five. If you get past five, it's really distressed at that point.”
Brent Beshore Jun 11, 2024 ▶ 1:21:00 Brent Beshore: Business Brilliance and Happiness at Home
MORE OR LESS Prediction Not checkable as stated
Dave Morin: Any TikTok Buyout Requires a Multi-Party Syndicate
“And the scale of it also, I mean, it's, it has to be a multi-party deal, like many private equity firms plus Saudi, I don't even know, like the scale of it is enormous.”
Dave Morin Apr 26, 2024 ▶ 9:39 #44: The $1B AI Girlfriend Market, the Tech Hedge Fund Fallout and Why VCs Can’t Quit AI · More or Less Podcast
FOUNDERS Assertion Supported
Les Schwab heirs sold the tire company for a rumored $3 billion
“The fifth generation, his fifth generation just sold the company to a private equity firm for a rumored three billion dollars.”
David Senra Apr 17, 2024 ▶ 11:56 Les Schwab (Charlie Munger recommended this book)
20VC Assertion Contradicted
Quattrone: Private equity accounts for up to 90% of public company acquisitions
“A substantial percentage of the public deals have been private equity. I've seen numbers like 60, 70, 80, Maybe even 90% in recent years of public companies have been bought by private equity firms.”
Frank Quattrone Mar 1, 2024 ▶ 42:28 Frank Quattrone: Lessons from 650 M&A Deals Worth Over $1TRN & Taking Amazon and Cisco Public| E1121 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Assertion Supported
Quattrone: Private equity will not match strategic buyers' 20-40x revenue multiples
“And now they're getting much more imaginative about the prices that they're willing to pay, but they won't pay you know, 20 times revenue or 30 times revenue or 40 times revenue like a strategic will.”
Frank Quattrone Mar 1, 2024 ▶ 49:38 Frank Quattrone: Lessons from 650 M&A Deals Worth Over $1TRN & Taking Amazon and Cisco Public| E1121 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
CAPITAL ALLOCATORS Assertion Not publicly verifiable
Milken: 72 private equity firms are headed by former Drexel colleagues
“I think there's 72 private equity firms now headed by people that work with me.”
Michael Milken Feb 26, 2024 ▶ 32:49 Michael Milken – Innovations in Finance, Medicine, and Education (EP.371)
Tony Robbins says he owns partner stakes in 65 private equity firms
“I own now, 65 of the largest private equity firms. I own a piece of them as a partner in every fund that they have.”
Tony Robbins Jan 22, 2024 ▶ 37:27 Tony Robbins Changes My Life (48 Minute Coaching Session)
Franklin: Stating a PE value creation plan is far from achieving it
“I always ask the question when we're talking about value creation of who did what to who to actually get it done, because there's really one thing to say our value creation plan is X, but it's a huge gulf from that to achieving the value creation plan”
Tilly Franklin Jan 22, 2024 ▶ 10:18 Tilly Franklin – Endowment Model at Cambridge University (EP.363)
Seides: PE Firms Struggle to Get Financing Due to Excessive Valuations
“The reason the private equity firms can't get the financing is because they're still trying to buy deals at valuations that are too high relative to what lenders are willing to lend.”
Ted Seides Nov 23, 2023 ▶ 30:25 Ted Seides – Unlocking Investment Wisdom (EP.352)
SAASTR Insight
Lemkin: Private equity will buy any break-even SaaS company over $20M ARR
“Private equity firms will buy any SaaS company with high NRR that are break even north of twenty million.”
Jason Lemkin Oct 25, 2023 ▶ 35:32 What SaaStr CEO and Founder Jason Lemkin Really Thinks About AI, Sales & Lead Gen In 2024
CAPITAL ALLOCATORS Assertion Supported
Preqin: 645 Private Equity Firms Haven't Raised Since 2015
“According to Prequin, 645 firms have not raised a new vehicle since 2015.”
Ted Seides Oct 14, 2023 ▶ 12:44 WTT - NAV Loans: Canary or the Gold Mine?
THE PITCH Disclosure
PE firm forgave $2M in brewery debt for AGS equity
“What they did, so they basically forgave two million dollars worth of debt that was owed to the, to them from the brewery to set the valuation, and then that's how we kind of got things started. So they didn't put any new money into it for this particular roun…”
Dan Hershberg Sep 20, 2023 ▶ 11:25 "Startup Funding Secrets: Will This Golf Tech Pitch Convince VCs to Invest?"
Ballou: Legal rules shift private equity incentives away from workers and customers
“Lawyers like me have created a series of rules and regulations that have changed the incentives for investors that often works for the private equity firms, but may not necessarily work for workers, for customers, even for other investors.”
Brendan Ballou Aug 7, 2023 ▶ 9:59 Sachin Khajuria and Brendan Ballou – Private Equity: Profit or Plunder? (EP.331)
CAPITAL ALLOCATORS Assertion Supported
Ballou: PE Firms Are Typically Insulated from Portfolio Company Liabilities
“And then the third, and this is the part that interests me the most as a lawyer, is that private equity firms Typically are able to insulate themselves from liability. So if something goes wrong at a portfolio company, the private equity firm is rarely held le…”
Brendan Ballou Aug 7, 2023 ▶ 11:37 Sachin Khajuria and Brendan Ballou – Private Equity: Profit or Plunder? (EP.331)
CAPITAL ALLOCATORS Assertion Supported
Khajuria: Institutional LPs Increasingly Co-Invest and Lead Deals Directly
“The industry has changed from institutional investors going into funds with perhaps less involvement to now co-investing alongside funds at more attractive terms. To some very large institutional investors having their own invest direct investment teams, often…”
Sachin Khajuria Aug 7, 2023 ▶ 45:14 Sachin Khajuria and Brendan Ballou – Private Equity: Profit or Plunder? (EP.331)
CAPITAL ALLOCATORS Assertion Supported
Ballou: PE insurance failures leave state guaranty funds holding the bag
“The challenge that we've got is if these insurance companies fail, the responsibility for paying the continuing obligations will essentially default to the state guarantee corporations in which the insurance companies are incorporated. So if you have an Iowa i…”
Brendan Ballou Aug 7, 2023 ▶ 50:27 Sachin Khajuria and Brendan Ballou – Private Equity: Profit or Plunder? (EP.331)
KNOWLEDGE PROJECT Assertion Partly supported
Stalk: Modern private equity firms hold companies longer than 1980s LBOs
“The private equity firms today actually do have a longer horizon than the ones did in the eighties, the seventies and eighties. And they're willing to stick with the business longer.”
George Stalk Jr. May 2, 2023 ▶ 28:16 Proven Strategies to Accelerate Growth, Productivity and Profits with George Stalk, Jr.
CAPITAL ALLOCATORS Prediction Not checkable as stated
Toomey: Market Dislocation Will Force Consolidation of PE Brand Extensions
“I mean, just like in other periods of dislocation in the market, I do think you'll see a consolidation of the brand extensions that we've seen to Mario's point.”
John Toomey Apr 17, 2023 ▶ 30:36 Mario Giannini & John Toomey – Private Equity Panel (Capital Allocators EP.309)
CAPITAL ALLOCATORS Assertion Supported
TRAs are primarily created by private equity for their portfolio companies
“It's primarily done by private equity firms in the context of their portfolio companies, and it runs the gamut of industries from the likes of Bumble to GoDaddy all the way to Shake Shack, my personal favorite.”
Andy Lee Mar 30, 2023 ▶ 7:33 Andy Lee – Empty Rooms: Investing in Tax Assets at Parallaxes Capital (Capital Allocators, EP.305)
ACQUIRED Opinion
Rosenthal: Berkshire's reputation improved over 50 years while PE and hedge funds declined
“What is the aggregate opinion, public opinion of hedge funds and managers and private equity firms over the last 50 years? Nothing but down. What is the aggregate opinion of Berkshire? Nothing but up.”
David Rosenthal Mar 29, 2023 ▶ 1:59:12 Sessions: David Senra (Founders Podcast) · Acquired
Feliciano: Special situations and private equity run on inverse economic cycles
“Over my time of time, one of the things that I noticed is that because we were more over special situations, there were times in the cycle that we were very missing. There were some really interesting opportunities, but there were other times in the economic c…”
Jose Feliciano Feb 13, 2023 ▶ 14:24 José E. Feliciano – Flexible Private Market Investing at Clearlake (Capital Allocators, EP. 297)
CAPITAL ALLOCATORS Assertion Not checkable as stated
Feliciano: Some LPs still dislike minority GP stake investors
“To this day, there are LP segments of the LP world that don't love that idea, right? Don't love the idea. They look at it and they think, well, we think that that may misalign incentives some ways, and there's still some elements of the LP base out there that …”
Jose Feliciano Feb 13, 2023 ▶ 46:33 José E. Feliciano – Flexible Private Market Investing at Clearlake (Capital Allocators, EP. 297)
Pujji: Private equity roll-ups profit through valuation multiple arbitrage
“One thing that just happens in businesses as your business gets bigger, investors pay a higher multiple. It's more stable. It's demonstrated more sort of staying power. And so what a lot of these private equity firms do, and we were sort of a part of this arbi…”
Jesse Pujji Jan 31, 2023 ▶ 6:28 Exclusive: Selling My Company & Making Life-Changing Money
Khajuria: Early PE movers in insurance and banking gained lasting edge
“The firms that looked at insurance, banks, ahead of everybody else have found that most folks at the similar scale have copied them since. And that tells you something. They had an edge. They had an advantage. It was proprietary. They had an idea. At the time …”
Sachin Khajuria Dec 5, 2022 ▶ 30:52 Sachin Khajuria – Two and Twenty, An Insider's Take on Private Equity (Capital Allocators, EP.285)
CAPITAL ALLOCATORS Prediction Not checkable as stated
Khajuria: PE firms will start buying assets from troubled peers
“And then I think at the end of the book, there's a chapter where the private equity firm actually looks to buy out assets from another firm that's in trouble. I think we're going to actually start to see a little bit of that.”
Sachin Khajuria Dec 5, 2022 ▶ 53:20 Sachin Khajuria – Two and Twenty, An Insider's Take on Private Equity (Capital Allocators, EP.285)

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