Michael Milken
Chairman, Milken Institute · 1 appearance on the record.
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At Drexel Burnham Lambert, he pioneered the modern high-yield bond market before pleading guilty to securities violations in 1990 and receiving a pardon in 2020. He later transitioned to philanthropy and public policy, founding the Milken Institute, FasterCures, and the Prostate Cancer Foundation.
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Everything Michael Milken said on Capital Allocators that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →
Milken: Historical bond data showed credit risk premiums exceeded actual default risk
“What everyone said about credit was wrong, and there was a book by Bradford Hittman on long-term Corporate bond and investor experience, and the riskiest credits were perceived as the best, and the best credits were perceived as the worst. Whether you were the…”
Milken: There is fundamentally no difference between private and public credit
“Many people try to separate this, but to me, there's no difference between private credit, public credit, term loans, etc.”
Milken: Non-investment grade debt has outperformed higher-rated debt and equities
“Going back particularly to the work that I had done in the sixties, so we're 60 years later now, the rates of return have been significant and have exceeded higher rate of debt and often equity rates of return.”
Milken: US human capital is worth roughly $1,500 trillion
“And the human capital in the United States, if it had to be measured, I would say it would be around 1500 trillion. So we're talking 60 to 70 times the GDP of the country.”
Milken: Nobody Generates High Long-Term Returns by Guessing Interest Rates
“Second, I really have never met a person over a long period of time who's generated a high rate of return by guessing where interest rates are going. So yes, you're right once. Yes, you're right twice, but not in the long run.”
Milken: Over 50% of Economic Growth in Past 200 Years Stems From Public Health
“Most people don't realize when I'm there that the number one driver of economic growth in the last 200 years is public health and medical research, and so more than 50% of all economic growth can be attached to public health and medical research.”
Milken: 77% of US AI PhD Students Are Foreign-Born
“50% of every software engineer or scientist in Silicon Valley in the last 30 or 40 years was not born in the United States.
60% of many of our medical research not born in the United States.
77% of everyone in PhD programs in AI not born in the United States.”
Milken: Shunning the press early in my career changed financial history
“Had we been more public, had I gone on television more, or done more interviews, and I declined them all, it would have been different, and I think the course of history would have been different”
Milken: Dodgers' discounted TV rights exceeded team's entire purchase price
“If you look at one of the greatest purchases in sports, the Los Angeles Dodgers, for example, they were able to securitize The media stream from an investment grade company, in that case, it was Time Warner Cable, today Charter, for the next 30 years that paid…”
Milken: M&A bankers face misaligned incentives versus long-term investors
“So with an investment banking firm, you have a merger and acquisitions department. They get paid when you do a transaction. So often the people that are the best is getting people to do things so they can get them to do things. And I would often ask them, have…”
Milken: Human resources managers will increasingly become corporate CEOs
“I think you're going to find many of the people that were the head human resource manager eventually goes to become CEOs.”
Milken: Private equity owns nearly 50% of America's 20,000 largest companies
“Almost 50% of the 20,000 largest companies in America are owned by private equity.”
Milken: Rising Rates Will Force Debt-for-Equity Restructurings in Coming Years
“And so we're going to see in the next few years opportunities to exchange debt for equity and recapitalize good companies and good industries.”
Milken: Three US companies are AAA, but S&P rated 15,000 structures AAA
“There's maybe three companies in America that are rated triple A. S and P rated in a period of time, 15,000 structures, triple A, almost all of them real estate. And in some cases you lost 100% of your money in a triple A.”
Milken: The best investor is a social scientist
“So I think if you're a good investor, the very first speech I gave on Wall Street in the late sixties was the best investor was a social scientist. And if you ask me again today, I would tell you the best investor is a social scientist, understanding where the…”
Milken: CRISPR therapies will be approved and eliminate sickle cell disease
“Sickle cell anemia and other things using CRISPR is going to be approved. You're going to eliminate this disease. Eliminate it.”
Milken: Most people hold strong opinions without conducting factual research
“A lot of times you find in education, that your teachers aren't necessarily current on facts, and so you can surprise them, and you know, at a very young age, I had concluded that adults had strong opinions, but very few of them ever did research, and if you a…”
Milken: Financial firms must make research, not sales, their foundation
“And so my view as the foundation of the firm was research, and we needed to invert the pyramid where research is the foundation of financial investing and advising, then trading, and then if you can trade it and buy it, you can work on selling it.”
Milken: Non-investment grade debt returned 100% unleveraged in 1974
“And so at the end of 74, if you bought a portfolio of non-investment grade debt, by the end of 74, you made 100% on your money, unleveraged.”
Milken: Nifty 50 stocks lost 90% inflation-adjusted over a decade
“Adjusted for inflation, you lost 90% of your money in the next decade.”
Milken: I interviewed job candidates at 4:00 AM to test commitment
“So I often, when I interviewed people, would tell them to meet me at four in the morning or four 30 in the morning. Just to see whether they really wanted it.”
Milken: 72 private equity firms are headed by former Drexel colleagues
“I think there's 72 private equity firms now headed by people that work with me.”
The other half of the tape: Michael Milken's own voice is left out of every number here. Other people bring the name up 168 times in 21 episodes on Capital Allocators. 12 statements on the record name them. every mention, with the transcript →
Who brings them up most Ted Seides 79Richard Sandler 45Joel Greenblatt 9Josh Friedman 8Todd Boehly 5Jordi Visser 5John Barber 5Katie O'Reilly 3
Statements about Michael Milken, by other people (12)
Sandler: Wall Street establishment targeted Milken after Drexel enabled hostile takeovers
“So Mike was an attractive target because he really wasn't liked by a lot of people in the business round table and in the established firms. He was getting a lot of publicity. He was very successful. And so people complained to the SEC, they complained to Cong…”
Sandler: Prosecutors threatened to destroy Princeton Newport unless it aided Milken prosecution
“The prosecutors at the time had told the principals and the lawyers for Princeton Newport that they're going to run over them. They're going to destroy them unless they help them against Michael Milken and another Case that was under investigation at the time,…”
Sandler: Milken's sentencing judge told parole commission no further wrongdoing was proven
“The judge who sentenced Mike, who held the Fatico hearing, wrote a letter to the parole commission on Mike's behalf, indicating that she held the Fatico hearing, and she did not believe that any further wrongdoing other than what he pled to could be shown, eve…”
Sandler: Judge assessed market damage from Michael Milken's violations at zero
“Interesting enough, when the judge assessed the economic damage to the marketplace from everything Michael pled to, included on the three counts that related to Bosque, that the total economic effect of these violations was zero. Not one penny was lost.”
Sandler: Michael Milken did not go to prison for insider trading or bond fraud
“And then as time passed, and some of the same lies kept getting repeated, you went to jail for insider trading, or you went to jail for fraud in the bond, none of which is true.”
Sandler: Milken received a 10-year sentence via consecutive two-year terms
“And she gave him a ten-year sentence, which number one, negated what we thought was a cap of five years. Because she gave him two years on five counts to Z serve consecutively, not concurrently.”
Sandler: Drexel collapsed after funding unsold inventory with commercial paper
“What had happened is, to prove they could still get deals done, they were taking a lot of securities that they couldn't sell into inventory, and they were financing it by issuing commercial paper in the commercial paper market. So in financial parlance, they w…”
Sandler: Milken pled to violations never previously criminally prosecuted
“We actually found things to plead to, none of which had ever been subject to criminal prosecution before, many of which hadn't probably even been enforced as regulatory violations before, but we found things that he could admit to.”
Sandler: Non-investment-grade original debt issuance was unheard of before Michael Milken
“The idea of a new issue of a high-yield security, our new issue of debt security for a company that Could not get an investment grade was unheard of when Mike came to the market.”
Friedman: Drexel and Milken Created the Original New-Issue High-Yield Bond Market
“There was no such thing as a new issue high yield bond before Mike and Drexel. The only high yield bonds were fallen angels, investment grade bonds that had been downgraded.”
Sandler: Michael Milken was charged with 98 counts across 12 transactions
“I think there were 12 transactions in the indictment. 98 counts.”
Six broken deals in 1986 slashed Gotham's returns from 80% to 30%
“I had in my portfolio five or six merger deals that were going on, whether I had a piece of a security or I had some iteration of it, and I thought that was diversity. In my portfolio, but it turned out it was all the same bet. You know, is the financing going…”
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2026 3 mentions in 2 episodes 2 per episode
2025 6 mentions in 4 episodes 2 per episode
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2024 112 mentions in 4 episodes 28 per episode
2023 1 mention in 1 episode
2022 17 mentions in 2 episodes 9 per episode
2021 8 mentions in 3 episodes 3 per episode
2020 10 mentions in 2 episodes 5 per episode
2019 9 mentions in 1 episode
Appearances (1)
| Episode | Date | Speaking time |
|---|---|---|
| Michael Milken – Innovations in Finance, Medicine, and Education (EP.371) | Feb 26, 2024 | 57m |