Nov 30, 2020 · 52m · capital-allocators
Ben Reiter – Over the Edge with the Houston Astros (Capital Allocators, EP.166)
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Host Ted Seides interviews journalist Ben Reiter to examine the Houston Astros sign-stealing scandal, analyzing how extreme analytical edge-seeking, corporate plausible deniability, and the breakdown of ethical guardrails offer critical organizational and leadership lessons for capital allocators.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Ted holds 23.6% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Ted as informed peer 4.6 Guest teaching 7.6 Guest disagreement 0.7 Ted pushing back 0.4
speaking balance: gold is Ted, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 33:22 Pushback on winning incentives in baseball
Ben directly counters Ted's premise that money flows primarily to winning teams, explaining how revenue sharing and asset appreciation shield non-competitive franchises from financial loss.
Hardest push from Ted ▶ 33:20 Challenging revenue distribution assumptionsTed frames team success as strictly following economic incentives to win, prompting Ben to explain structural market failures in MLB revenue sharing.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 39:00 The mechanics of playoff share bonusesBen reveals the little-known dynamic of player-voted playoff shares, explaining how low-salaried video room employees had massive financial incentives to assist player-driven sign stealing.
Ted holds their own ▶ 34:10 Comparing cross-sport rule evolutionTed articulately compares baseball's aesthetic analytics crisis (shifts and three true outcomes) to basketball's historical adjustments with the key and three-point line.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Ted as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Ted pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Uncovering the Astros Cheating Scheme and Creating The Edge | 4 | 7 | 1 | 0 | Ted opens by asking Ben to explain the dramatic shift in narrative since Ben's 2018 book. Ben delivers a detailed briefing on The Athletic's revelation regarding Houston's sign-stealing scheme using video feeds and trash-can banging. | |
| Blindsided Yet Unsurprised: The Relentless Pursuit of an Edge | 5 | 7 | 1 | 0 | Ted highlights the narrative framing around marginal pitcher Mike Bolsinger. Ben provides extensive context on how Bolsinger's career was derailed during the peak night of the Astros' cheating scheme. | |
| Investigating Institutional Blame and Interviewing Former GM Jeff Luhnow | 4 | 8 | 0 | 0 | Ted inquires into the institutional blame and interview access. Ben unpacks the findings of Commissioner Manfred's report, pointing out the oddity of owner Jim Crane being completely exonerated in paragraph one while Luhnow and Hinch took suspensions. | |
| Evaluating Jeff Luhnow's Defense and Executive Oversight Responsibilities | 5 | 8 | 1 | 1 | Ted asks what Luhnow shared in his five-hour interview. Ben outlines Luhnow's McKinsey background and plausible deniability defense, while examining the executive responsibility of whether Luhnow should have known about clubhouse culture. | |
| Institutional Power Dynamics and Commissioner Rob Manfred's Incentives | 4 | 8 | 0 | 0 | Ted probes the commissioner's incentives for protecting ownership. Ben explains the corporate structure of MLB where the commissioner acts as a CEO hired by and beholden to the 30 team owners. | |
| Houston's Innovation Legacy and Jim Crane's Multi-Billion-Dollar Investment | 3 | 8 | 0 | 0 | Ted asks about owner Jim Crane's background. Ben details Crane's business trajectory, his purchase of the team for $600M, and how franchise valuations generate massive unshared equity gains regardless of on-field penalties. | |
| Jim Crane's Past Controversies and Patterns of Plausible Deniability | 5 | 8 | 2 | 1 | Ted asks why Crane's purchase approval was delayed and asks what Ben might have missed in his earlier reporting. Ben explains Crane's past EEOC discrimination suits and reflects honestly on whether he initially underplayed the ruthlessness of the team's culture. | |
| Sponsor Message: Ridgeline Front-to-Back Investment Management Platform | 5 | 7 | 1 | 1 | Following the mid-roll break, Ted draws a parallel to asset managers and asks if Ben missed warning signs. Ben points to beat writer Evan Drellich's early warnings about treating players purely as quantitative assets rather than humans. | |
| Modern Baseball as a Ten Billion Dollar Corporate Industry | 5 | 7 | 2 | 2 | Ted suggests financial windfalls flow directly to winning teams. Ben pushes back, pointing out that revenue sharing and guaranteed franchise appreciation actually disincentivize some owners from trying to win. | |
| The Analytics Dilemma: Game Aesthetics and Potential Rule Changes | 6 | 7 | 1 | 0 | Ted demonstrates solid sports knowledge comparing modern MLB aesthetic problems (strikeouts, shifts, three true outcomes) to rule changes in the NBA. Ben agrees and discusses potential interventions like moving the mound or altering the strike zone. | |
| Lack of Ethical Guardrails, Workplace Pressure, and Playoff Bonuses | 5 | 9 | 0 | 0 | Ted draws comparisons to financial scandals like Michael Milken and Bernie Madoff. Ben details the hidden incentive mechanism of player-voted playoff shares, where low-paid video staff stood to gain hundreds of thousands of dollars by facilitating player requests. | |
| Steve Cohen, SAC Capital, and Ownership Integrity Double Standards | 5 | 8 | 1 | 0 | Ted brings up Steve Cohen's acquisition of the Mets. Ben highlights the striking irony of MLB cleaning up an ethics scandal only to fast-track approval for Cohen despite SAC Capital's regulatory history. | |
| Biometric Health Analytics and an Impending Major League Labor War | 4 | 8 | 0 | 0 | Ted asks where the next edge will emerge in baseball. Ben predicts biometric health analytics will be key, but warns that mounting revenue inequalities will trigger a major labor war between players and owners. | |
| Divergent Consequences: Rehired Managers versus the Exile of Luhnow | 4 | 7 | 0 | 0 | Ted closes by asking about the asymmetric consequences for managers versus general managers. Ben explains why insider managers like Hinch and Cora were quickly rehired while outsider GM Luhnow remains exiled. |
Statements from this episode (32)
Houston Astros remain a model for the pitfalls of high-performing organizations
“I would argue that the Astros remain a model organization. Right? An organization that we can learn from. But now we can learn a lot of different things, besides how to turn the laughing stock of sports into a champion in a few short years. We can learn about …”
Sign stealing in baseball is legal, but using technology is not
“It's not actually illegal to steal signs. It's illegal to use technology to steal signs. But the first recorded instance of sign stealing was in 1876.”
Astros banged trash cans most during Mike Bolsinger's 2017 outing
“Turned out after people studied the exact pattern of the Astros sign stealing, he had faced them on the night of its peak, like they had banged on their trash can more times on that night than against anybody else.”
MLB's investigation report explicitly absolved Houston Astros owner Jim Crane
“The commissioner, in the very first paragraph, actually, which stuck out like a red thumb to me, the very first paragraph of this nine-page report completely absolved the owner of the team, Jim Crane, from any responsibility or accountability whatsoever.”
Houston Astros ran two concurrent sign-stealing schemes in 2017
“There are actually two sign stealing schemes going on at once. One was happening in the video room. One was happening among the players.”
MLB investigators could not prove GM Jeff Luhnow knew of cheating
“Major League Baseball, as I said, did an extensive investigation into this. Even they couldn't prove that Jeff Luno knew. You know, they looked at tens of thousands of emails and texts and They interviewed, like, dozens and dozens of witnesses, many of whom pr…”
Bob Feller used a WWII telescope to steal signs in Cleveland
“Bob Feller, the great Indians pitcher, Went to World War II. He interrupted his career for three years to go on a ship in the Pacific, and he brought back this high-powered telescope, and he had it installed in center field in Cleveland Stadium, and they would…”
Carlos Beltrán and Alex Cora led the Astros' sign-stealing scheme
“There was this specific makeup of the Astros clubhouse, in which one veteran in particular, one coach in particular, Carlos Beltran and Alex Cora, had a lot of influence in there. And in most ways, that influence was exerted in really positive ways, as far as …”
Former GM Jeff Luhnow is suing the Houston Astros for $22M
“He's currently suing the Astros for twenty two million dollars because they tore up his contract, firing him for cause in relation to this.”
Electronic sign stealing in MLB was not limited to the Astros
“Sign stealing was not at all limited to the Astros, right? Nobody believes they're the only team doing it. They might've been pushing it farther than anybody else, but they weren't alone.”
MLB commissioner acts as an executive beholden to team owners
“A lot of people think of the commissioner as this almost like judge like figure presiding over the game, looking out for the good of the sport above all else, like a steward. That's not what he is. I mean, Rob Manfred has even described himself as almost a CEO…”
Houston Astros' valuation rose from $600M to over $2B under Jim Crane
“He bought them for about six hundred million dollars. Less than 10 years later, they're worth estimates between 2,000,000,002 and a half billion.”
Jim Crane faced a $5M fine but retained his championship and equity
“He was fined five million dollars, right? That's the maximum fine that an owner can receive in baseball. He lost a few draft picks, but keeps his ring, keeps his players, keeps the franchise valuation.”
Sports team equity appreciation accrues entirely and tax-free to franchise owners
“Sports teams like never go down in valuation and people never want to sell them. So The entirety of that valuation goes to the owner. That's not shared with anybody else who helped create the wealth. Like players don't get stock or equity in the franchises the…”
EEOC report documented systemic discrimination at Jim Crane's logistics company
“He had, the EEOC had issued a hundred page report some years earlier documenting discrimination within his companies. Hiring practices that were discriminating against minorities, that were discriminating against women.”
A manager at Jim Crane's company was imprisoned for war profiteering
“There was a manager at his company who had been sent to jail for war profiteering.”
Most opposing pitchers did not hear the Astros' trash can banging
“They did this to over a hundred pitchers that year. Some of these guys, like guys with 20 years of experience, most of them didn't hear it down in the field, etc.”
Astros' sign-stealing was a symptom of an extreme drive for efficiency
“And I think when I look back at it now, the sign stealing scheme is a symptom of that.”
Houston Astros' ruthless efficiency approach is now standard across MLB
“The Astros were once at the vanguard as far as a valuation slash efficiency based approach to
Team building and running the organization.
They're not really an outlier anymore.
This is how everybody operates.”
MLB is a $10.7B industry diversifying into cable and real estate
“Baseball is a 10.7 billion dollar industry now.
As far as we know, and now ownership is diversifying in all sorts of ways into cable networks, and a lot of teams have property real estate plays surrounding the stadium.”
MLB revenue sharing and rising valuations disincentivize teams from winning
“Winning is, in baseball in particular, kind of less incentivized than you would think. So there's plenty of teams out there who don't seem to be trying to win very hard. They'll do anyway because of the revenue sharing structure, because of just the fact that …”
Miami Marlins sold for roughly $1.5B despite poor on-field performance
“I mean, look at the Miami Marlins sold for a couple years ago to the group that included Derek Jeter. I forget exactly what it was. It was definitely in the mid one billions, right? For probably the worst franchise in all ways there is.”
Extreme analytical efficiency makes modern baseball an aesthetically stagnant product
“The most perfect, efficient base version of baseball means nothing happens, essentially. As you say, it's a lot of strikeouts. Hitters sell out to hit home runs. Fielders shift so that when hitters don't hit home runs, they'll be in perfect position to catch t…”
MLB commissioner will likely introduce major rule changes to increase action
“I do think, especially because it's at the end of the day, it's an entertainment product. I do think we'll see the commissioner trying to make some significant rule changes. Maybe it's to the strike zone. Maybe it's moving the mound back. To get more offense i…”
Winning the 2017 World Series yielded roughly $450K per Astros player
“So in 2017, if you're the Astros and you win the World Series, it was like 450,000 dollar bonus per player. Which is actually a lot of money even for a baseball player. Minimum salary guys would double their salary based on this playoff share.”
MLB playoff share voting incentivized low-paid video staff to facilitate cheating
“The players were also responsible for voting on who else got a cut of these playoff shares, which non-players. And those could include people like the guys who worked in the video room who were helping the players out all year. And these are guys who make 50,0…”
MLB contradicted its ethical stance by rushing Steve Cohen's ownership approval
“Baseball having just gotten through this huge ethical scandal. We've cleaned up the game. We've kicked Jeff Luno out for a year. We've kicked the manager out. We really care about ethics. And then they turn around and they rush through the approval process. A …”
Steve Cohen is MLB's richest owner by a factor of three
“And who, by the way, is now like the richest owner in baseball by a factor of three”
MLB analytics departments have not yet solved how to prevent pitcher injuries
“Health is a big thing that teams have still not really cracked as far as, especially how to keep pitchers healthy.”
MLB faces impending labor strife over perceived economic inequity among players
“I think on a labor front, baseball's in for a really rough time coming ahead, because I think that players are just seeing things as less and less equitable.”
Jeff Luhnow faces a harder path back to MLB than fired managers
“Jeff Luno, I think, will have a tougher road. Well, especially now that he's suing the Astros for twenty-two million dollars. That probably doesn't help his chances, but he was always somebody who never quite shed his outsider status. In a lot of ways, he embr…”