Lifetime Value

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22 statements about Lifetime Value, every show

20VC Disclosure
Wix CMO Omer Shai has never used customer lifetime value metrics
“I never used lifetime value.”
Omer Shai Jan 31, 2026 ▶ 0:02 20Growth: How Wix Built a $100M Marketing Machine | Why LTV is BS and Why Time Return On Investment is the Most Important Metric | How to 10x Your Growth: What is the Next Great Channel with Omer Shai, CMO @ Wix
a16z Insight
Rampell: Most consumer fintech lifetime value comes from future mortgage transactions
“In most of like startup land, when we talk about LTV, we talk about lifetime value and the majority of lifetime value for a consumer Even an eighteen-year-old is going to happen probably 15 years later in the future when they buy a house.”
Alex Rampell Nov 12, 2025 ▶ 21:30 Rocket Companies CEO: Here’s How to Fix the Housing Crisis
Wagstaff: Paid acquisition requires LTVs in the tens or hundreds of thousands
“Lifetime values got to be up there in the tens of hundreds of thousands to really spend that.”
Kevin Wagstaff Aug 5, 2025 ▶ 27:56 Episode 786 | Questions About Bootstrapping SaaS to a $90M Exit (...
Evans: Sentiero ignores CAC and LTV metrics for early-stage startups
“So we don't use a lot of metrics. You don't have a clearly defined customer acquisition cost or lifetime value yet just because of the age of the company. But we do look for is exactly one of the things that you described is we want to see customers voting wit…”
David Evans Jun 2, 2025 ▶ 19:22 Harnessing AI through Seed-Stage Investments: Insights from David Evans of Sentiero Ventures
SAASTR Assertion Not checkable as stated
Blond: Brex Tied LTV and Churn Directly to First 30 Days
“Customer happiness, like NPS, lifetime value, the likelihood of churn. We were able to tie all of these things back to the experience that they had in the first 30 days that they were a customer.”
Sam Blond Jun 21, 2024 ▶ 29:41 Deep Dive: Easy Sales Concepts So Many Get Wrong with Sam Blond
MY FIRST MILLION Assertion Not checkable as stated
Campbell: Pricing add-ons boost customer lifetime value by 20% to 50%
“Add-ons they're the most underrated, underutilized aspect of all pricing, consumer B to B enterprise. They boost lifetime value by about 20 to 50%.”
Patrick Campbell Nov 16, 2023 ▶ 56:54 Brainstorming Ideas with The $200M Man | ft. Patrick Campbell (#519)
Ruben Gamez: Customer lifetime value metrics ignore future upgrade opportunities
“Lifetime value is not static. So that changes. So it's a, just a snapshot. It's also an average, right? And it doesn't account for like upgrades and just a lot of opportunity there that you can have to move that, that number.”
Ruben Gamez Aug 8, 2023 ▶ 6:48 Episode 673 | Lifetime Plans vs Subscriptions, Testing an Idea Wi...
An experiment's primary metric must causally predict customer lifetime value
“To me, the key here, the key word is lifetime value, which is you have to define the OEC such that it is causally predictive of the lifetime value of the user.”
Ronny Kohavi Jul 27, 2023 ▶ 32:05 The ultimate guide to A/B testing | Ronny Kohavi (Airbnb, Microsoft, Amazon)
SAASTR Assertion Supported
Cilingir: Word-of-mouth acquired customers yield 16% to 25% higher lifetime value
“Customers acquired through word of mouth have a 16 to 25% higher lifetime value than non-referred customers, ladies and gentlemen.”
Hande Cilingir Jul 7, 2023 ▶ 32:16 How To Boost Your Net Retention Revenue (NRR) to Over 140% with Insider's CEO and CMO
Lifetime value is a misnomer for early-stage companies lacking operating history
“These abstract concepts like lifetime value, which is difficult because like that's, you know, most businesses are relatively new that we work with. And so the idea of lifetime value is kind of a misnomer. Like they don't know what that is yet, but we have to …”
Jonathan Becker May 7, 2023 ▶ 20:01 Mastering paid growth | Jonathan Becker (Thrive Digital)
Hard sales quotas for CS incentivize short-term decisions that harm LTV
“And then they make decisions for the short term and it does not, not good outcome for lifetime value.”
Derek O'Carroll Feb 25, 2021 ▶ 11:54 Brightpearl $33m Raised, $105m Valuation, $18m Revenue, Targeting $25m by EOY
SAASTR Assertion Not checkable as stated
Campbell: SaaS customers with add-ons have 20-50% higher lifetime value
“Lifetime value is typically about 20 to 50% higher for those customers with at least one add-on.”
Patrick Campbell Feb 18, 2021 ▶ 25:16 The Current State of SaaS Companies, Subscriptions, and Retention in 2021 | ProfitWell Founder & CEO
SAASTR Insight
Willey: Paying full commissions for flat account renewals breaks SaaS unit economics
“If they're not growing customer accounts, the economics, the customer acquisition costs, the lifetime value doesn't really stack up to pay the full commission on, on, on effectively just treading water.”
Tim Willey Jan 14, 2021 ▶ 28:30 10 Rules for Defining Churn with ForgeRock and Solarwinds | SaaStr Software Community
a16z Assertion Not checkable as stated
Gill: NetSuite's customer lifetime value doubled between 2012 and 2014
“Our lifetime value of a customer has improved, has slightly more than doubled in the last two years at NetSuite.”
Ron Gill Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 12:54 a16z Podcast | Why SaaS Revenue is Worth More Than Traditional Software Sales
TOP FOUNDERS Disclosure
Target Recruit reached $5M ARR without ever calculating customer lifetime value
“And I've, I'll be very honest. We don't, we have not calculated the metric called lifetime value of the customer.”
Reena Gupta Oct 21, 2018 ▶ 15:12 1184 California Mom Bootstraps HR Tech to $5m in ARR
Balogh: Customer lifetime value is irrelevant in first two years of sales
“The LT, you know, lifetime value in the first two years of sales is to me irrelevant. So I don't look at it.”
Aki Balogh Jun 10, 2018 ▶ 16:59 1051 CEO: "We Went from $35k in MRR to $350k in 12 months"
LTV-to-CAC ratios are almost meaningless for evaluating SaaS companies.
“Yeah, I mean, like when you look at lifetime value and that kind of CAC ratio in a SaaS company, it's almost meaningless.”
Frank Bien May 3, 2018 ▶ 13:59 1013 Guess How This Data Tool Will Break $100m In 2018
TOP FOUNDERS Assertion Not checkable as stated
Cayasso: Slidebean's LTV reached over $1,000 with reduced churn
“Our lifetime value, you know, lasts is actually around over a thousand dollars with our, you know, with our newcomers and our churn started reducing you know, that's new less, you know, with our recent, more recent progress in turn, but, you know, through most…”
Jose Cayasso Aug 8, 2017 ▶ 8:46 745: At $1.5m Revenue, Is This The New PowerPoint?
TOP FOUNDERS Assertion Not checkable as stated
Gardner: Unbounce average customer lifetime value is roughly $1,000
“It depends on the plan, but I think on average it's probably around a thousand dollars.”
Oli Gardner May 16, 2017 ▶ 16:02 661: How Unbounce Hit $12M/Year In Revenue, 14k Customers, Very Little $$ Raised with Co-Founder Oli Gardner
TOP FOUNDERS Assertion Not checkable as stated
Socedo estimates its customer lifetime value at approximately $20,000
“We look at lifetime value today is around 20 K.”
Aseem Badshah Feb 27, 2017 ▶ 15:44 EP 583: Socedo Does $1.5M+ In 2016, $200K MRR Now Helping 200 Customers Close More Leads with CEO Aseem Badshah
TOP FOUNDERS Disclosure
Appointlet projects customer lifetime value at $400 to $500
“Around the 405 hundred dollars.”
Rami Shama Feb 1, 2017 ▶ 15:07 EP 557: Appointlet Hits $35k MRR, Co-Founders Because of Reddit Helping 1100 Customers Schedule with Rami El Chamaa
20VC Insight
Deeter: Reducing churn is the #1 lever for SaaS lifetime value
“Hands down, the single biggest thing a company can do to drive long-term lifetime value of the business and increase margin is to improve those churn stats.”
Byron Deeter May 2, 2016 ▶ 14:04 20VC: Bessemer's Byron Deeter on The Commonalities Of Truly Great Founders and Learnings From Investing In Box, Twilio and GainSight

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