Charles Hudson
Founder and Managing Partner, Precursor Ventures · 111 appearances on the record.
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Charles Hudson founded Precursor Ventures to focus on pre-seed and first-check investments in software and hardware startups. He was previously a Partner at SoftTech VC, co-founded Bionic Panda Games, and worked at Google and IronPort Systems.
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Everything Charles Hudson said on the Pitch that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →
Hudson: Jungle is a $50M to $75M ARR business, not venture-scale
“So, what I'm really saying is, I think this is a 50 to seventy five million dollar ARR business”
Hudson: AI in edtech compresses market opportunity rather than expanding it
“But when I think about, especially things in ed tech, where I think there's an AI element, I think like, what is AI good at doing today? Where do I think it will be in 12 and 24 months, and what does that do for the opportunity? And in most cases, I think it's…”
Hudson: B2B financial wellness tools struggle with long cycles and low employee yield
“The challenge that we found is you actually need people to give you Mint-like access to their data, because if I, if all I know is your paycheck, I don't know your credit score. I don't know how much debt. You actually need people to give you a fair amount of …”
Commercializing a hardware startup typically requires $7M, says Charles Hudson
“We do a lot of hardware, and I don't know why, it always seems to take seven million dollars to get to a commercial product.”
Hudson: Building an Independent Business Matters More Than Forecasting Acquirers
“If it's a good business, you'll have lots of opportunity, like, it's more important to build a really good business that has the ability to remain independent until something else happens than it is to, every time I've tried to forecast, oh, so-and-so company …”
Hudson: Zebra startups return capital via profits rather than IPOs or M&A
“The model is more that, like, there ought to be a way for you to get a return on your money that doesn't require a gigantic IPO. There are ways through the profitable operations of the business for me to return capital. Might be capped at a three X, but there'…”
Hudson: New fantasy gaming formats always hit expensive paid acquisition traps
“The thing I can't get over is everyone I've met who's tried to do a new format eventually runs into the paid acquisition monster, and it just ends up being really, really expensive.”
Hudson: Anchoring high on valuation backfires when pitching VCs
“I think part of the challenge for founders is there is this whole, I'm going to anchor high and get negotiated down to something I can live with.
It doesn't really work that well in venture because as a founder who's raising money, your real competition is no…”
Charles Hudson: Expecting unfunded founders to work full-time excludes diverse talent
“If you, as an investor, expect every founder you meet to be in a position to drop everything and just work on their startup for some arbitrary period of time, as a show of commitment, you're gonna end up excluding people who, for really valid financial reasons…”
Hudson: Handholding and Coaching Erase Software Margins in Enablement Startups
“My conclusion has been the technology is actually the least important piece. The most important piece is finding people who have an entrepreneurial mindset, who will go out and hustle and find customers who understand how to do kind of all of the business buil…”
Hudson: Precursor avoids AI infrastructure due to technical complexity and intense competition
“So like, just as a front level, we're just not doing much in AI infra, just, I don't have the technical ability to analyze them, and I haven't found many interesting categories where I don't instantly meet two dozen very credible teams.”
Hudson: Four or five top Precursor outcomes will be product companies
“We have four or five of our biggest outcomes at the firm level will be product companies, actually not software companies.”
Hudson: Lending businesses lack moats beyond lower cost of capital
“You can compete on two things, like loan quality, And price. Both of which put pressure on your ability to scale the business. Either you have to compete over lower quality loans, which will push your loss ratios up, or to win the good ones, you have to make l…”
Hudson: Most B2B SaaS is just a commoditized database with a UI
“I think most B to B SaaS things are basically commodity. They're a database with a UI on top if you really push hard enough. Like that's what they are.”
Hudson: Startups raising $2M to $3M inevitably burn it within 24 months
“Look, I think one of the big mistakes I've seen companies in our portfolio make is they take two to three million dollars, and it's very hard to have two to three million dollars and not magically have it all disappear in 24.
Everyone's like, oh, don't worry.
…”
Hudson: Generative imagery will be deflationary as clients capture the savings
“My current thesis is it's going to be very deflationary, and the customers are going to want to recoup and claw back a big chunk of that savings.”
Hudson: Single-variable wearables are harder to build today than a decade ago
“I just think single variable wearables are really hard now. I was probably more bullish on them five or 10 years ago when we didn't have as many things.”
Hudson: Grooming Businesses Exit at 2x to 3x Top-Line Revenue
“My big takeaway is these businesses tend to trade at two to three times top line revenue at the end of the day, and so for me the big question Isn't how do you get to 50, it's how do you get to two to 300.”
Hardware startups need at least two seed rounds for meaningful traction
“So I always assume that there's going to be at a minimum two seed rounds for a hardware company to actually get to a place where there's meaningful traction.”
Hudson warns that heavy local capital in emerging markets is problematic
“We've had totally polar experiences. We've had some companies where we've had tons of local capital, and it's been highly problematic.”
Charles Hudson: The winning playbook in vertical SaaS is building full stack
“The money in vertical sass is full stack. Like, that's the playbook, like, you do it all.”
Charles Hudson: EAPs are underutilized because employees fear HR retribution
“My impression is that EAPs have historically been underutilized because most people don't want to share the underlying issue they're dealing with HR out of fear of retribution or consequences”
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Statements about Charles Hudson, by other people (20)
Madeline Fraser: Passing on Gemist over cap table concerns is short-sighted
“You know, I think that that's a little bit short-sighted in my mind, right? Not really talking through that or having enough time to sit down with them and sort of say, hey, let's, let's think about what this could look like in the future.”
Flynn: Charles Hudson ghosted Sun and Swell after committing to invest
“Yeah, I tried to reach out to him a couple times and I just, I never heard back.”
Hyatt: A Silicon Valley version of PartySlate would burn $20M to $40M
“Marketplaces take a lot of money, but I think it actually takes more money than she's raising. I think she was a valley company, and Charles, correct me if I'm wrong, you'd be 20, 30, forty million in, and you'd be pumping way more cash in, and trying to get t…”
Muccio: Investors stalled and Phil Nadel passed on Earbuds
“Charles, Michael, and Jillian, they still haven't actually given Jason any money. And Phil, well, he already told Jason he's out.”
Charles Hudson passes on Vital Audio after pitch due to conflict concerns
“He wasn't able to get himself to a yes at the moment.”
Muccio: The Pitch Fund invests $200K in KAV Sports
“The pitch fund invested 200,000 alongside Rohit and Charles.”
Muccio: Charles Hudson invested $250K into Aunt Flow in 2018
“He invested 250 K in AntFlow in 2018.”
Dufu: Hudson, Yin, and Fielding completed $85,000 in syndicate investments
“So Charles did come in at 10. Elizabeth came in at 25. Jenny came back to me and said, I want 50.”
Schmorak: Charles Hudson invested $300k in Hostfully above his typical check
“His typical size is two 50 for the first check. I wanted to basically get him to invest something more than two 50, and he said 300,000.”
Impalameni: Charles Hudson doubled his TribeXR investment to $100,000 post-pitch
“He then did some diligence on us, and post diligence, he doubled the investment to a hundred K, which is great. And so we've now closed that, and we're really excited to have him on board.”
Sorensen: Hudson's investment fell through because the company was an LLC
“He didn't realize we were an LLC. And their fund only invests in, in C-Corps for tax purposes, so that investment fell through.”
Muccio: Charles Hudson invests $250k in SVRF, bringing the total to $375k
“We found out that Charles Hudson, another investor on our show, decided to invest 250,000, bringing Sophia's investment tally up to 375,000.”
Muccio: Charles Hudson still intends to invest $250K in Shipsi
“I found out shortly after this that Charles is actually very much still interested in investing. Like he wants to put in the 250 K that he wanted to invest originally, which is huge.”
Charles Hudson of Precursor Ventures invested $250,000 in ShearShare
“And then Charles Hudson with Precursor Ventures, another investor who's been on the show, decided to join the round, coming in for another 250 K. Altogether, Shearshare received over a half a million dollars in funding.”
Nadel, Hudson, and Manus finalize $125K investment in Lunar Wireless
“All of the investors have come through. They did their diligence and all of them have written checks. I'm so happy that they were able to do that. Really excited to be able to work with them. Yeah. Yeah. So, 25 from Phil, 50 from Charles, and 50 from Jillian.”
Muccio: Investors Charles Hudson and Phil Nadel previously invested in True&Co
“What Jillian is alluding to is that Charles and Phil both previously invested in a broad startup called True&Co.”
Epps: Charles Hudson and Cyan Banister signed SAFEs for OMA Health
“Charles' process was so seamless and we signed with Charles. Cyan was able to sign our safe agreement, so that's really exciting as well.”
Julia Dixon secures $75K in funding from Jesse Middleton and Charles Hudson
“Julia walked out of the pitch room with a 50,000 dollar commitment from Jesse, a 25,000 dollar commitment from Charles”
Phil Nadel and Charles Hudson actively assist Rex's subsequent fundraising efforts
“Phil has been introducing us to other investors, like, ag investors that he knows, and Charles has taken a look at my deck and, you know, we're about to sit together and be like, here's everything wrong with your deck and how you should frame it for investors,…”
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Appearances (111)
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Episodes where a recording of Charles Hudson was played rather than Charles taking part, or where the tape carries an address with nobody putting questions to them. Listed because the words are on the record, kept out of every score on this page because they were not said on this show. We read this off the tape: who was spoken to, who was asked something, who answered whom.
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| #95 You Asked. Investors Answered. Now What? | Mar 4, 2025 | 26s | clip played |
| $1.2M at Stake! Will This Food Entrepreneurs Startup Dominate the Peer-to-Peer Space Renta | Apr 10, 2024 | 3s | clip played |