Jul 10, 2024 · 34m · the-pitch
"From Dorm Room to Patented Zipper Technology: A Licensing Revenue Model in the Making"
Georgia Grace Edwards · 14m spoken Josh Muccio · 4m spoken Cyan Banister · 2m spoken Mac Conwell · 2m spoken Elizabeth Yin · 1m spoken Charles Hudson · 1m spoken Paige Finn Doherty · 1m spoken Alexa Von Tobel · 37s spoken Lisa Muccio · 4s spoken
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Former glacier guide Georgia Grace Edwards pitches NARA, an innovative outdoor apparel brand featuring patented front-to-back zipper technology, seeking $500,000 to transform the company into a high-margin ingredient licensing business.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Josh holds 18.2% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Josh as informed peer 3.2 Guest teaching 4.7 Guest disagreement 1.0 Josh pushing back 2.0
speaking balance: gold is Josh, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 15:18 Defending tight bridge round valuation strategy
Georgia Grace firmly counters Paige's concern regarding runway length by arguing the round was deliberately sized to prove licensing traction rather than over-diluting.
Hardest push from Josh ▶ 20:40 Host challenges viability of maintaining DTC and licensing simultaneouslyJosh directly challenges the dual-model premise by asking if the company should simply shutter direct-to-consumer operations to extend licensing runway.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 20:45 Mac and Elizabeth educate on DTC necessity for licensing leverageMac and Elizabeth correct the host's premise, demonstrating that shutting down consumer sales eliminates the primary proof-of-demand leverage needed for licensing partners.
Josh holds their own ▶ 20:38 Host frames capital dilemma between inventory burden and high-margin licensingJosh incisively frames the operational tension between cash-intensive physical inventory and the scalable software-like margins of licensing.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Josh as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Josh pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| The Origin of NARA and GoFly Zipper Technology | 0 | 5 | 0 | 0 | Georgia Grace delivers her uninterrupted initial pitch, establishing the historical lack of female outdoor apparel innovation and her proprietary zipper design. The host and panel listen without interruption as she outlines her glacier guide origin and licensing aspirations. | |
| Product Demonstration and Core Patent Claims | 3 | 6 | 1 | 1 | Investors examine the physical product while probing technical patent claims, production costs, and licensing margins. Georgia Grace educates the room on the single-track zipper mechanism and draws comparisons to Gore-Tex and Vibram. | |
| Mid-Pitch Analysis on Licensing Business Scalability | 4 | 5 | 1 | 2 | Investors examine the mechanics of licensing royalties, monthly burn rates, and competitive differentiation from pee funnels. The guest clearly explains her two-tier fee structure and 7% royalty target. | |
| Investor Deliberations, Passes, and Check Commitments | 4 | 3 | 2 | 4 | Paige pushes back on the short runway of a bridge round, leading Georgia Grace to defend her strategy of raising minimal capital to hit licensing milestones. Cyan commits fifty thousand dollars while Elizabeth offers a personal angel check. | |
| Investor Debrief on DTC Versus Licensing Strategy | 6 | 5 | 2 | 4 | Josh questions whether NARA should shut down its DTC arm to conserve cash for licensing. The investors push back, explaining DTC is crucial as both brand marketing and leverage in corporate licensing negotiations. | |
| Transition to the Post-Show Follow-Up Interview | 2 | 4 | 0 | 1 | Josh interviews Georgia Grace on post-show developments, closing one hundred and eighty thousand dollars in total. The conversation remains lighthearted as she recounts extreme fundraising anecdotes and expanding into maritime gear. |
Statements from this episode (25)
Edwards: 56% of outdoor women had outdoor bathroom accidents last year
“56% of us have had a bathroom accident outside in the past year alone, and that is because pants were never designed to be worn by women in the first place.”
Edwards: NARA's GoFly technology has patents in over 30 countries
“It is covered by both design and utility patents in over 30 countries worldwide and counting.”
Edwards: NARA garnered over 350 million views across trending social videos
“In the past 18 months, my team and I have taken this technology from the floor of my college dorm room to the floors of the largest outdoor retailers in North America, to social media virality with over three hundred and fifty million views on trending videos,…”
Edwards: NARA is raising $500,000 to build a zipper licensing model
“Now we are raising half a million dollars to make the GoFly technology the Gore-Tex of zippers via a licensing revenue stream so that we can get this technology into as many applications as possible and help everyone go on the go.”
Edwards: One-third of NARA customers go commando in their pants
“So comfortable that a third of our customers actually go commando.”
Edwards: NARA generated $1.75M lifetime revenue and under $1M in 2023
“So we've done over 18,000 units, and our lifetime revenue is about 1.75 million. Last year's revenue was just under a million, so we had over 50% growth between Twenty-twenty-two and twenty-twenty-three. We've only actually had inventory in stock for the past …”
Edwards: NARA pants yield a 74% DTC margin and 96% licensing margin
“Pants cost 43 dollars to produce. Shorts cost 37 dollars, and the estimate for leggings is 27 dollars. So for our flagship product, which is the pants, we're at a 74% D to C profit margin, a 48% wholesale retail profit margin, and in the licensing revenue stre…”
Edwards: NARA has a signed LOI with a billion-dollar brand
“We have our first signed LOI in hand from a billion dollar company that's currently Testing with their pro athlete team in ski bibs and base layers.”
Edwards: NARA raised $1.5M with over 50% women on its cap table
“We have raised 1.5 million dollars to date from a mix of VCs, family offices, and angels, and we have over 50% women on our cap table, which we're really proud of.”
Edwards: NARA secured over $400K in debt to fund inventory
“We have been able to secure over 400,000 dollars of debt, which we're halfway through paying off, and so that's helped cover most of our inventory costs.”
Edwards: NARA raised $1.5M on an $11M valuation cap convertible note
“The terms that we've raised 1.5 on to date are 25 K minimum and eleven million pre money value cap.”
Conwell: Policy requires founder approval on conflicts before investing
“I have a policy where I have to talk to my founders first and see if there's a conflict, so I'm going to say no for now, but I'm going to introduce you to the founder, and if he says there's not, we could have another follow-up conversation.”
Doherty: Requires founders to have 18 to 24 months runway to invest
“When I invest, I want to make sure that the founder has at least, like, 18 to 24 months of runway for your sanity as a founder.”
Yin: 18 to 24 months of runway is unrealistic for e-commerce startups
“I mean, I think if we're going to be realistic for e-commerce It's really hard to get to 18 to 24 months. I don't have any e-commerce founders in that boat.”
Yin: Hustle Fund excludes non-software, offers personal angel check to NARA
“Hustle Fund does not invest in non-software, but I do do a number of angel investments, and I would love to do this personally as a small check. I wouldn't be able to hit your 25 K minimum, but if you would have me, I would love to invest.”
Yin: All Hustle Fund e-commerce portfolio companies have no money
“Mac, like, all of my e-commerce companies have no money.”
Conwell: Three Rarebreed portfolio companies used apparel only for initial traction
“We have three companies in our portfolio that started off with an apparel product, but that was never the business. And the apparel product did well enough that they got the traction where the big business came.”
Conwell: Shuttering DTC removes the primary marketing tool for ingredient licensing
“The reason is the D to C side is just the marketing. So if you get rid of the DTC brand, you've now taken away your largest marketing tool for the industry.”
Hudson: Four or five top Precursor outcomes will be product companies
“We have four or five of our biggest outcomes at the firm level will be product companies, actually not software companies.”
Hudson: DTC will take NARA farther than expected and provide licensing leverage
“And I also have a sneaking suspicion that D to C is going to take her farther than she thinks it will. And I think investing in D to C is going to be critical to keeping leverage with her licensing partners. And she might find out that she doesn't need them as…”
Banister: Never backs out of investment commitments unless material issues emerge
“I have a pretty hard rule that if I commit to something, unless something is really material that comes forth, I don't ever back out of an investment decision. I always say a banister pays her debts.”
Edwards: NARA raised $180k directly from The Pitch appearance
“In total between in the actual pitch room and mingling with people immediately after the pitch, we walked away with a 180 K.”