Mar 3, 2025 · 41m · the-pitch
#39 This Pitch is Damn Near Perfect
Stefan Lobel · 14m spoken Josh Muccio · 10m spoken Michael Hyatt · 2m spoken Charles Hudson · 2m spoken Jillian Manus · 2m spoken Nicole Verkindt · 1m spoken
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Stefan Lobel pitches Bluffworks, his high-performance wrinkle-free apparel brand, to venture investors on The Pitch, securing initial pledges before overcoming diligence hurdles to raise a $1.4 million round through customer crowdfunding and syndicates.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Josh holds 32.3% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Josh as informed peer 4.7 Guest teaching 5.9 Guest disagreement 1.7 Josh pushing back 3.6
speaking balance: gold is Josh, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 15:04 Stefan refutes Nicole on search volume
When Nicole dismisses search terms by stating she doesn't search for lightweight blazers, Stefan immediately counters with data showing consumer search volume.
Hardest push from Josh ▶ 11:42 Michael demands concrete scale roadmapMichael cuts off Stefan's product idea brainstorming, bluntly demanding specific distribution and operational plans to scale to fifty million dollars.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 16:36 Stefan maps out investor return mathematicsStefan effortlessly walks through round dilution, series A expectations, and exit multiples in response to Michael's question about the path of his capital.
Josh holds their own ▶ 13:48 Charles distinguishes cult brands from mainstream apparelCharles leverages his investing expertise to probe whether Bluffworks can bridge the gap between hardcore backpackers and everyday business travelers.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Josh as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Josh pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Stefan Lobel's Origin Story and Wrinkle-Free Demonstration | 2 | 5 | 1 | 1 | Stefan delivers an engaging, theatrical origin story, pulling a wrinkle-free blazer out of a knapsack to demonstrate his value proposition. The investors listen actively and interject light questions without challenging him. | |
| Product Inspection and Innovative Fabric Engineering | 4 | 6 | 1 | 2 | The investors physically inspect the garment while Stefan explains the fabric engineering and why 100% technical polyester avoids looking synthetic. Michael and Jillian test the fit and pricing assumptions. | |
| Revenue History, Branding Missteps, and Margin Improvements | 5 | 6 | 2 | 4 | Michael challenges Stefan on competitive dynamics and margins in retail. Stefan proactively preempts criticism by detailing historical revenue numbers and acknowledging a prior branding mistake. | |
| Customer Acquisition Metrics and Product Line Expansion | 6 | 6 | 2 | 5 | Michael presses Stefan for a clear roadmap to reach fifty million in revenue rather than just pitching individual SKU ideas. Stefan breaks down acquisition costs, AOV, and margin contributions to defend his growth plan. | |
| Direct-to-Consumer Roadmap and Digital Scaling Strategy | 6 | 5 | 3 | 6 | Michael and Charles press hard on go-to-market channels and whether Bluffworks is a niche cult brand or an everyman brand. Stefan defends his direct-to-consumer search-driven strategy and pushes back on Nicole's skepticism about search intent. | |
| Valuation Framework, Capital Requirements, and Exit Projections | 7 | 7 | 2 | 5 | Michael requests a financial model walking through his investment return. Stefan immediately lays out clear valuation steps, dilution, and exit revenue multiple math, securing commitments from Jillian and Charles. | |
| Post-Pitch Investor Excitement and Travel Apparel Consensus | 3 | 6 | 1 | 2 | The panel raves about the product post-pitch, and Josh interviews Stefan four months later about how the deals fell through. Stefan details his creative workaround using an AngelList syndicate and direct customer funding to raise $1.4 million. |
Statements from this episode (16)
Stefan Lobel: Bluffworks Sold 2,000 Pairs of Pants on Kickstarter
“In 2012, I launched a single pair of pants on Kickstarter, and in 35 days, we sold over 2000 pairs.”
Stefan Lobel Seeks $600,000 to Expand Travel Apparel Brand Bluffworks
“And now I'm here to raise 600,000 dollars, to bring Bluffworks to more of the world, and help men and women Make their lives big and their wardrobes small.”
Stefan Lobel: Bluffworks Generated $2.2M Net Revenue Across Three Products
“And then last year we did 2.2 million net on just the three products that described.”
Stefan Lobel: Bluffworks Blazer Costs $77 to Make and Sells for $295
“So we make that blazer even in New York for 77 dollars. Happens to be our best margin product. We move it offshore, we're gonna get into the sixties, we sell it for two 95.”
Stefan Lobel Details Bluffworks' $56 CAC and $233 Average Order Value
“Last year, we spent 49 dollars to acquire a customer. This year, we're acquiring customers at 56 dollars for an AOV at 233. You winced. Our margin leaves a 109 dollars to acquire customers and break even.”
Stefan Lobel Outlines Bluffworks' Plan to Reach $50 Million in Revenue
“The plan to fifty million is for us acquiring customers online only and being through bluffworks.com. There's a point where a lot of digital companies end up adding their own retail store and we've budgeted to add four stores in a couple of the out, out years,…”
Charles Hudson: Cult Brands Grow Without Loud Marketing
“Because I think cult brands grow without really loud marketing.”
Charles Hudson: Every Founder Has at Most Two Superpowers
“I always think every founder has one, maybe two superpowers.”
Stefan Lobel Projects Bluffworks Will Reach $13 Million in Two Years
“We're gonna go two years from here, we're gonna be thirteen million dollars in revenue.”
Stefan Lobel Claims $50M Revenue E-Commerce Brands Exit for $90M
“Apparel companies can do that. You get to 50, especially all e-commerce, we can sell you for 90.”
Jillian Manus Reveals She Lost Personal Money Investing in Juicero
“The only time I ever didn't do tech, I, well, it was tech, but it wasn't. It was a company called Juicero. And I invested a lot of my personal money in, and it blew up in my face.”
Jillian Manus Commits $50,000 in Personal Capital to Bluffworks
“I'd like to put just 50,000, My own money in, just as a vote of confidence, because I think you're gonna do this and if there's anything in my ecosystem, my own community I can sort of pull in to help you, I will, but in all honesty, but with that 50,000, I wa…”
Charles Hudson Commits $50,000 From Precursor Ventures to Bluffworks
“So we've only recently started investing in apparel, or what we call tangible goods at Precursor, but I have a good feeling about you. And so I'm gonna invest 50,000 dollars.”
Stefan Lobel: Bluffworks Raised $300,000 in Venture Funding From Its Customers
“We raised 300,000 dollars in venture from our customers.”