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Oct 9, 2024 · 22m · the-pitch

$1M Pitch: Can This Beer Startup Transform the Brewing Industry?

Dean Eberhardt · 7m spoken Josh Muccio · 3m spoken Mac Conwell · 2m spoken Jesse Middleton · 2m spoken Elizabeth Yin · 1m spoken Charles Hudson · 58s spoken Cyan Banister · 43s spoken
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Entrepreneur Dean Eberhardt pitches ReCraft, an innovative B2B extraction technology designed to boost brewing yields and eliminate hop waste, sparking an in-depth debate among venture capitalists over venture scale, industrial adoption, and fund thesis alignment.

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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Josh holds 20.4% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Josh as informed peer 4.0 Guest teaching 4.8 Guest disagreement 2.0 Josh pushing back 2.6
05100:0010:0020:001:04–3:19 · Josh as informed peer 2/10 Dean Eberhardt Pitches ReCraft's Efficient Brewing Technology Dean introduces ReCraft and explains the 30% yield loss in traditional dry hopping. Investors ask basic clarifying questions about whether it is a consumer brand or an ingredient process.3:20–9:24 · Josh as informed peer 4/10 Mac Conwell's Fund Restrictions and the Side-by-Side Taste Test Investors sample the side-by-side beers and probe Dean on unit economics, tank storage bottlenecks, and patent defensibility against major conglomerates like AB InBev. Dean explains the dual utility of hops in bittering and aroma extraction.9:32–14:21 · Josh as informed peer 2/10 Post-Break Discussion on Engineering Origins and Garage Prototyping The venture capitalists pass sequentially, openly citing their lack of industry and scientific domain expertise. Mac Conwell enthusiastically affirms Dean's grit and founder profile despite fund restrictions.14:25–19:41 · Josh as informed peer 7/10 Venture Capitalists and Host Deliberate ReCraft's Market Viability Josh Muccio leverages his homebrewing background to validate the beer's quality during investor deliberations. Mac and Jesse debate whether an exclusive licensing deal caps venture-scale upside or drives immense pricing leverage.19:45–21:25 · Josh as informed peer 5/10 Founder Update on Hub-and-Spoke Model and Finale Announcement Dean explains the post-show evolution into a hub-and-spoke model where regional breweries run ReCraft equipment. Josh distills the model into analogies about capital efficiency and scalability.1:04–3:19 · Guest teaching 5/10 Dean Eberhardt Pitches ReCraft's Efficient Brewing Technology Dean introduces ReCraft and explains the 30% yield loss in traditional dry hopping. Investors ask basic clarifying questions about whether it is a consumer brand or an ingredient process.3:20–9:24 · Guest teaching 6/10 Mac Conwell's Fund Restrictions and the Side-by-Side Taste Test Investors sample the side-by-side beers and probe Dean on unit economics, tank storage bottlenecks, and patent defensibility against major conglomerates like AB InBev. Dean explains the dual utility of hops in bittering and aroma extraction.9:32–14:21 · Guest teaching 4/10 Post-Break Discussion on Engineering Origins and Garage Prototyping The venture capitalists pass sequentially, openly citing their lack of industry and scientific domain expertise. Mac Conwell enthusiastically affirms Dean's grit and founder profile despite fund restrictions.14:25–19:41 · Guest teaching 5/10 Venture Capitalists and Host Deliberate ReCraft's Market Viability Josh Muccio leverages his homebrewing background to validate the beer's quality during investor deliberations. Mac and Jesse debate whether an exclusive licensing deal caps venture-scale upside or drives immense pricing leverage.19:45–21:25 · Guest teaching 4/10 Founder Update on Hub-and-Spoke Model and Finale Announcement Dean explains the post-show evolution into a hub-and-spoke model where regional breweries run ReCraft equipment. Josh distills the model into analogies about capital efficiency and scalability.1:04–3:19 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Dean Eberhardt Pitches ReCraft's Efficient Brewing Technology Dean introduces ReCraft and explains the 30% yield loss in traditional dry hopping. Investors ask basic clarifying questions about whether it is a consumer brand or an ingredient process.3:20–9:24 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Mac Conwell's Fund Restrictions and the Side-by-Side Taste Test Investors sample the side-by-side beers and probe Dean on unit economics, tank storage bottlenecks, and patent defensibility against major conglomerates like AB InBev. Dean explains the dual utility of hops in bittering and aroma extraction.9:32–14:21 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Post-Break Discussion on Engineering Origins and Garage Prototyping The venture capitalists pass sequentially, openly citing their lack of industry and scientific domain expertise. Mac Conwell enthusiastically affirms Dean's grit and founder profile despite fund restrictions.14:25–19:41 · Guest disagreement 6/10 Venture Capitalists and Host Deliberate ReCraft's Market Viability Josh Muccio leverages his homebrewing background to validate the beer's quality during investor deliberations. Mac and Jesse debate whether an exclusive licensing deal caps venture-scale upside or drives immense pricing leverage.19:45–21:25 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Founder Update on Hub-and-Spoke Model and Finale Announcement Dean explains the post-show evolution into a hub-and-spoke model where regional breweries run ReCraft equipment. Josh distills the model into analogies about capital efficiency and scalability.1:04–3:19 · Josh pushing back 2/10 Dean Eberhardt Pitches ReCraft's Efficient Brewing Technology Dean introduces ReCraft and explains the 30% yield loss in traditional dry hopping. Investors ask basic clarifying questions about whether it is a consumer brand or an ingredient process.3:20–9:24 · Josh pushing back 3/10 Mac Conwell's Fund Restrictions and the Side-by-Side Taste Test Investors sample the side-by-side beers and probe Dean on unit economics, tank storage bottlenecks, and patent defensibility against major conglomerates like AB InBev. Dean explains the dual utility of hops in bittering and aroma extraction.9:32–14:21 · Josh pushing back 1/10 Post-Break Discussion on Engineering Origins and Garage Prototyping The venture capitalists pass sequentially, openly citing their lack of industry and scientific domain expertise. Mac Conwell enthusiastically affirms Dean's grit and founder profile despite fund restrictions.14:25–19:41 · Josh pushing back 5/10 Venture Capitalists and Host Deliberate ReCraft's Market Viability Josh Muccio leverages his homebrewing background to validate the beer's quality during investor deliberations. Mac and Jesse debate whether an exclusive licensing deal caps venture-scale upside or drives immense pricing leverage.19:45–21:25 · Josh pushing back 2/10 Founder Update on Hub-and-Spoke Model and Finale Announcement Dean explains the post-show evolution into a hub-and-spoke model where regional breweries run ReCraft equipment. Josh distills the model into analogies about capital efficiency and scalability.

speaking balance: gold is Josh, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Josh 41% · guest 59%0:00 · Josh 41% · guest 59%3:00 · Josh 0% · guest 100%3:00 · Josh 0% · guest 100%6:00 · Josh 0% · guest 100%6:00 · Josh 0% · guest 100%9:00 · Josh 1.4% · guest 98.6%9:00 · Josh 1.4% · guest 98.6%12:00 · Josh 10.8% · guest 89.2%12:00 · Josh 10.8% · guest 89.2%15:00 · Josh 19.7% · guest 80.3%15:00 · Josh 19.7% · guest 80.3%18:00 · Josh 33.8% · guest 66.2%18:00 · Josh 33.8% · guest 66.2%21:00 · Josh 79.4% · guest 20.6%21:00 · Josh 79.4% · guest 20.6%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 18:34 Mac Conwell challenges Jesse Middleton on fund return math

Mac directly rejects Jesse's skepticism about market ceiling, insisting the technology is sufficiently disruptive to return an entire venture fund.

 Hardest push from Josh ▶ 15:25 Jesse Middleton questions standalone venture viability

Jesse challenges the premise that an ingredient-processing technology can achieve venture-scale returns without major conglomerate co-option.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 6:12 Dean explains hop extraction efficiency and bittering reuse

Dean breaks down the chemical and logistical mechanics of dry hopping, teaching the room how his method eliminates wasted beer and replaces dual-hop usage.

 Josh holds their own ▶ 14:50 Josh Muccio explains hop chemistry and flavor modulation

Josh draws upon personal homebrewing knowledge to explain to the VCs how the extraction prevents off-flavors while matching traditional flavor profiles.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicJosh as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementJosh pushing backWhy
Dean Eberhardt Pitches ReCraft's Efficient Brewing Technology 2512 Dean introduces ReCraft and explains the 30% yield loss in traditional dry hopping. Investors ask basic clarifying questions about whether it is a consumer brand or an ingredient process.
Mac Conwell's Fund Restrictions and the Side-by-Side Taste Test 4613 Investors sample the side-by-side beers and probe Dean on unit economics, tank storage bottlenecks, and patent defensibility against major conglomerates like AB InBev. Dean explains the dual utility of hops in bittering and aroma extraction.
Post-Break Discussion on Engineering Origins and Garage Prototyping 2411 The venture capitalists pass sequentially, openly citing their lack of industry and scientific domain expertise. Mac Conwell enthusiastically affirms Dean's grit and founder profile despite fund restrictions.
Venture Capitalists and Host Deliberate ReCraft's Market Viability 7565 Josh Muccio leverages his homebrewing background to validate the beer's quality during investor deliberations. Mac and Jesse debate whether an exclusive licensing deal caps venture-scale upside or drives immense pricing leverage.
Founder Update on Hub-and-Spoke Model and Finale Announcement 5412 Dean explains the post-show evolution into a hub-and-spoke model where regional breweries run ReCraft equipment. Josh distills the model into analogies about capital efficiency and scalability.

Statements from this episode (10)

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Eberhardt: Hoplark generated over $45M in lifetime revenue
“So that brand, Hoplark, has generated over forty-five million dollars in total revenue to date.”
Dean Eberhardt Oct 9, 2024 ▶ 1:44
Assertion Contradicted
Eberhardt: ReCraft is partnering with Brooklyn Brewery across all products
“So we have a bunch of consumer traction with Hoplark over the years, but we also have a partnership with Brooklyn Brewery where we're adapting all of their products to this technology, and that should hit shelves later this year.”
Dean Eberhardt Oct 9, 2024 ▶ 2:20
Disclosure
Conwell: Rare Breed cannot invest in alcohol due to LP clause
“Full disclosure, at Rare Breed, we have a no vice clause. So I'm not allowed to invest in anything involved with alcohol.”
Mac Conwell Oct 9, 2024 ▶ 3:20
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Eberhardt: ReCraft deconstructs dry hopping to replicate or customize beer flavor
“So we completely deconstruct the dry hopping process in a couple of different dimensions, which allow us to reconstruct it in basically whatever we want. We can make it effectively identical, or we can make it quote unquote better depending on what the brewery…”
Dean Eberhardt Oct 9, 2024 ▶ 3:50
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Eberhardt: ReCraft saves up to 30% of total beer COGS
“Yeah, so we can save up to 30% of the total cogs of the beer.”
Dean Eberhardt Oct 9, 2024 ▶ 6:12
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Eberhardt: ReCraft replaces 100% of hops in brewing systems
“So we're able to replace a hundred percent of the hops in a brewer's system, which is dramatically more efficient for what they're trying to do.”
Dean Eberhardt Oct 9, 2024 ▶ 6:39
Disclosure
Hudson: Precursor Ventures avoids investing in science-heavy startups
“We have like an internal thing about science things that we're not science people at Precursor”
Charles Hudson Oct 9, 2024 ▶ 12:06
Insight
Conwell: Breakthrough brewing processes come from industry outsiders, not incumbents
“The process you develop is only gonna come from somebody who's not in the beer industry. Like, somebody in the beer industry who wouldn't even ever think to try what you did to create what you did, because it doesn't, it probably doesn't make sense to them.”
Mac Conwell Oct 9, 2024 ▶ 12:40
Opinion
Middleton: Big Beer will demand exclusivity or engineer around ReCraft
“I think it's a hard business to imagine, A, it being a standalone business at scale, because he's not making the beer, the big beer company is big beer, would like, they would want this, right, or they're going to find a way to do it themselves, not infringing…”
Jesse Middleton Oct 9, 2024 ▶ 15:26
Disclosure
Eberhardt: ReCraft plans to own processing machines while partner breweries operate them
“The design is that we would still own the machines in the facilities and they would operate them.”
Dean Eberhardt Oct 9, 2024 ▶ 20:31
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