The Lean Startup

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TBPN Opinion
Eric Ries: Lean Startup tactics are dated, but core principles hold up
“What's really held up, like, a lot of the techniques and the specific tactics from Lean Startup are a little dated now. I mean, you know, Groupon is a case study. Like, it's old now. It came out in 2011. But I think the principles have held up really well, and…”
Eric Ries May 26, 2026 ▶ 1:20 The Lean Startup Author on What Ruins Good Companies
TBPN Insight
Ries: Overfunding makes it easier for founders to delude themselves
“I think fundamentally like using resources well is an eternal entrepreneurial virtue. So even the people that are overfunded, a lot of them run into trouble because now you don't have that that reality kind of barking at you all the time to make sure that you'…”
Eric Ries May 26, 2026 ▶ 3:06 The Lean Startup Author on What Ruins Good Companies
Gordon: Software engineers mistakenly assume building new features solves startup problems
“He really describes also, like, a software engineer's mindset and how they get it wrong, where the solution is to build new features, where he really is introducing this, like, new way to build something”
Natalie Gordon Nov 3, 2025 ▶ 12:56 Babylist: Natalie Gordon. How a new mom used nap time to build a $500M business.
Huber: Gradient-descent user feedback creates lowest-common-denominator products
“My critique of that would be that if you follow that methodology, you will probably end up building a dating app for middle schoolers, because that just seems to be like the lowest base take of what humans want to some degree.”
Jeff Huber Aug 19, 2025 ▶ 5:16 Long Live Context Engineering - with Jeff Huber of Chroma
Maples: Lean Startup iteration on small ideas leads only to local maximums
“Iterate and execute perfectly in lean startup mode, but if you're pursuing a small idea, you'll iterate to a local maximum.”
Mike Maples Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 5:01 Mike Maples: Your Startup Idea Isn’t Crazy Enough—And it's holding you back | Mike Maples, Founde... · PMF Show
Isenberg: Lean Startup landing page validation no longer works in AI era
“The lean startup by Eric Ries talks about how you don't need to actually build anything. You can put a landing page, you can send traffic to it. And based on that, you know, you can figure out what to build. I don't think that works anymore. I think that it's …”
Greg Isenberg Feb 3, 2025 ▶ 27:13 4 microSaaS ideas you can build to make $100k/month
Dunford: Customer discovery is highly unreliable because prospective buyers frequently lie
“Even if you do do customer discovery, it's really hard. It's really difficult. Customers will sometimes tell you things that aren't true or they'll say, yes, yes, we would buy that, and we would buy it for this much, but by the time you've actually built the t…”
April Dunford Aug 20, 2024 ▶ 34:04 April Dunford: The Marketing Expert
20VC Opinion
Nejatian: 'The Lean Startup' did more damage to software than any book
“I think the book lean startup may have done more damage unintentionally to software than any other book.”
Kaz Nejatian Aug 14, 2024 ▶ 2:21 Kaz Nejatian: How Shopify Built a $90BN Business to Last 100 Years | E1189 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Disclosure
Adams: Canva ignored early investor pressure to follow Lean Startup playbook
“The Lean Startup book actually launched in the year that we launched, it was like, 2012, and investors were quoting it at us, and like, telling us to launch as quickly as possible. We kind of ignored them because we knew what we wanted in the product, and we k…”
Cameron Adams Jul 19, 2024 ▶ 5:48 Cameron Adams: How Canva Builds Products: Lessons Learned, What Works? What Flopped? | E1179 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Insight
Adams: Iteration without a strong initial vision cannot build a lasting company
“That notion that you can kind of iterate towards a product or even a company or a business model, if you don't have a strong vision to start out with, your heart won't be in it.”
Cameron Adams Jul 19, 2024 ▶ 41:36 Cameron Adams: How Canva Builds Products: Lessons Learned, What Works? What Flopped? | E1179 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Ries: A pivot means changing strategy while preserving the vision
“That is what it's called when you change the strategy, but try to have Fidelity to the vision that we, it needs a name because we do it all the time.”
Eric Ries Oct 29, 2023 ▶ 11:28 Reflections on a movement | Eric Ries (creator of the Lean Startup methodology)
Ries: Lean Startup won by default because legacy methods had few defenders
“We charge onto the field, and no other army ever came to charge us back. Like, it just, we won by default because the people who were doing it the old way didn't really like it or want, like, it was very few defenders of the old way. Like, very few people came…”
Eric Ries Oct 29, 2023 ▶ 15:20 Reflections on a movement | Eric Ries (creator of the Lean Startup methodology)
Ries: Lean Startup is empirical and must adopt whatever works
“It's a scientific theory, which means that, that whatever works is lean startup. So if someone comes up with something new and it works, we can't be threatened and upset about it. We have to adopt it.”
Eric Ries Oct 29, 2023 ▶ 18:24 Reflections on a movement | Eric Ries (creator of the Lean Startup methodology)
LENNY'S PODCAST Assertion Not checkable as stated
Eric Ries: Lean Startup does not mean being cheap or skipping fundraising
“Top misconceptions about lean startup. And it was like, number one, lean means cheap. So you're doing lean startup. It means you're not raising money. It's like, that's not true.”
Eric Ries Oct 29, 2023 ▶ 22:51 Reflections on a movement | Eric Ries (creator of the Lean Startup methodology)
LENNY'S PODCAST Assertion Not checkable as stated
Eric Ries: Lean Startup explicitly embraces vision alongside experimentation
“Lean is opposed to having a vision. You know, if you have, if you were really visionary, you wouldn't do experimentation. Experimentation leads to local maxima and, you know, it, whatever. It's just like, I'm, I read it in somebody's book that, that they're li…”
Eric Ries Oct 29, 2023 ▶ 23:09 Reflections on a movement | Eric Ries (creator of the Lean Startup methodology)
Ries: Second book editions ruin original works by over-qualifying arguments
“When I was a consumer of books, I hated it when authors would come out with a second edition that would destroy what was beautiful about the first edition, including the mistakes. Because like in their attempt to put disclaimers on everything and make everythi…”
Eric Ries Oct 29, 2023 ▶ 24:44 Reflections on a movement | Eric Ries (creator of the Lean Startup methodology)
Ries: An MVP is the most efficient test of a hypothesis
“MVP is simply for whatever the hypothesis is that we're trying to test, what is the most efficient way to get the validation we need about whether the hypothesis is true or not?”
Eric Ries Oct 29, 2023 ▶ 28:43 Reflections on a movement | Eric Ries (creator of the Lean Startup methodology)
Murchison: Writing software is rarely the fastest way to learn
“Writing software is the fastest way to learn, but in my view, it actually rarely is. It can be, but it rare, it rarely is. So I think we've conflated progress. We've conflated like developing an MVP with progress or rapid progress. Those are two very, very dif…”
Mike Murchison Oct 17, 2022 ▶ 29:27 How to Pivot to Product Market Fit | Mike Murchison, Founder of Ada ($1B+ Valuation) · PMF Show
20VC Insight
Palan: Lean startup and agile frameworks prioritize fast iteration over actual strategy
“A lot of the kind of lean startup thinking is actually just like iterate quickly, right? Like the agile just iterate quickly, quickly, quickly. There's not much about strategy. It's much about high volume, you know, of tests.”
Hubert Palan Jan 29, 2021 ▶ 22:04 20VC: Why "Founder Insight" is Overrated, Why Big and Bold Product Visions Can Be Dangerous & Why Getting To Product Market Fit by Accident Can Lead to Danger with Hubert Palan, Founder & CEO @ ProductBoard
Ries: Lean Startup is about efficient use of proceeds, not low cost
“It's not about low cost. It's about efficient use of proceeds.”
Eric Ries Aug 26, 2019 ▶ 16:00 Eric Ries – Lean Start-Ups and the Long-Term Stock Exchange (Capital Allocators, EP.107)
a16z Opinion
Ries: Distinguishing enterprise Lean Startup from startup Lean Startup is silly
“So people talk about lean startup for startups and then lean startup for the enterprise, which I think is really silly. I, you know, I understand why people do it, but it doesn't make sense to me.”
Eric Ries Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 20:49 a16z Podcast | Beyond Lean Startups
a16z Insight
Ries: Lean Startup provides neutral ground across corporate functions
“Lean startup has created a neutral terrain where different functions can come together to do this, and I think there's just a natural resistance to doing a methodology from someone else's function.”
Eric Ries Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 28:38 a16z Podcast | Beyond Lean Startups
a16z Assertion Not checkable as stated
Ries: Lean Startup reduced a client's hardware iteration cycle to one week
“And they eventually got to a place where they can show, they can iterate on this so quickly now, they can build a new version of that device every week. Used to take them three to six years to build a new model. Now they can do a new version every week.”
Eric Ries Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 32:10 a16z Podcast | Beyond Lean Startups
a16z Disclosure
Ries hosts a secret tech meetup where Lean terminology is banned
“I have a secret product managers, like a meetup group that I do for one of the big tech companies where we get together. It's secret. I can't name the group... Because they work in a company that has a real strong, non-invented here culture, and lean startup i…”
Eric Ries Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 42:41 a16z Podcast | Beyond Lean Startups
a16z Insight
Ries: Shared clear language matters more than official Lean Startup terminology
“What matters is that you have a precise and clear language that you can communicate with your coworkers about. I don't care if you use my language or somebody else's, as long as it has a rigorous foundation.”
Eric Ries Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 43:17 a16z Podcast | Beyond Lean Startups
a16z Insight
Ries: Lean methodology must continuously evolve and obsolete its own prior teachings
“Lean startup stands for what works. So if I said something wrong, if we discover ourselves as a movement, we use our own scientific process to discover new things, they obsolete the old things, and we should always be getting better, and what we wrote five yea…”
Eric Ries Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 43:49 a16z Podcast | Beyond Lean Startups
a16z Assertion Supported
Ries: 'The Lean Startup' Focuses on Management Accounting, Not Jargon
“If you read the book, the vast majority of it, the bulk of it by weight is not about, you know, This jargon, but it's about the management system. It's about the innovation accounting. It's about the math that underlies this way of working.”
Eric Ries Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 44:57 a16z Podcast | Beyond Lean Startups
a16z Insight
Ries: MVPs Maintain Stakeholder Interest Before Hockey-Stick Growth Hits
“So I think of Lean Startup and MVPs in particular as a way to demonstrate progress towards the vision to sustain that interest over time during the long flat part of the hockey stick when the vanity metrics are really low and there isn't Instantaneous, overnig…”
Eric Ries Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 47:34 a16z Podcast | Beyond Lean Startups
a16z Assertion Supported
Andreessen: Ben Silbermann said 'Lean Startup' methodology would have killed Pinterest
“Pinterest is like a great, in fact, Ben Subberman is actually on the record as saying, had I read the Lean Startup book, I never would have done Pinterest, because it took us four years to figure it, If we had, if he had known about the Lean Startup thing, he …”
Marc Andreessen Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 41:58 a16z Podcast | What Makes the Valley Work
20VC Assertion Not checkable as stated
Elad Gil's High Growth Handbook Outselling Zero to One in Pre-Orders
“Not only is this the first book that I've read voraciously from cover to cover in a long, long time, but it's now outselling Zero to One and Lean Startup as pre-order.”
Harry Stebbings Jul 17, 2018 ▶ 1:00 20VC: Elad Gil's High Growth Handbook on The Commonalities of The Truly Great CEOs, How To Hire The Very Best Execs, Why Cash is A Defensible Moat Today & The Pros and Cons of M&A and IPOs
SAASTR Insight
Widrich: Early products should be embarrassing for lacking features, not being broken
“I think this line, I think this famous quote from Reid Hoffman around, you know, you should be embarrassed by your first version, I think that also gets misinterpreted a lot, because it shouldn't be, you shouldn't be embarrassed by it from, Ah, you know, it sh…”
Leo Widrich Jul 7, 2017 ▶ 22:21 Leo Widrich of Buffer: Top 10 Learnings Going to 10 Million
Latka: The Lean Startup falsely claims anyone can be an entrepreneur
“I just feel like it tries to teach, because they have to sell more books, it tries to tell anyone they can be an entrepreneur if they have a blank canvas and some post-it notes, and everyone can't be an entrepreneur. It just doesn't work.”
Nathan Latka Jun 9, 2016 ▶ 15:17 28 Year Old Female Entrepreneur Making 100k's Product Images Better for $2 Each, EP 270: Holly Cardew
Latka: The idea that anyone can be an entrepreneur is total bullshit
“I, you know, that book left such a bad taste in my mouth because I feel like it teaches, it tells you like, hey, if you follow these little post-it notes and these diagrams, anybody can be an entrepreneur, which is total bullshit.”
Nathan Latka Jan 30, 2016 ▶ 15:26 How To Quickly Build Million Dollar SaaS Company with Jonathon Ende of Seamless Docs
20VC Opinion
Sacks: The Lean Startup is a condensed Four Steps to the Epiphany
“I think Four Steps to the Epiphany by Steve Blank is that, that, and Lean Startup by Eric Ries. They're kind of the same book. One is like condensed and one is much longer.”
Will Sachs Jul 17, 2015 ▶ 18:32 Founders Friday 004: Life As A Non-Technical Co-Founder with Will Sacks, The Fertility King @ Kindara
20VC Insight
Sacks: Defining MVP viability is the hardest part of Lean Startup
“Yeah, I mean, the V, the, in MVP, viable. Like, that's the hard one, because how do you know what's viable? Maybe something, maybe what you think is your MVP is not, not quite viable. Like, it needs just a little bit more polish in order to be viable, and then…”
Will Sachs Jul 17, 2015 ▶ 18:52 Founders Friday 004: Life As A Non-Technical Co-Founder with Will Sacks, The Fertility King @ Kindara

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