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Staniszewski: 2022 was ideal for building AI while tech chased crypto
“We did. It was still a year when the topics of the day were crypto and metaverse. So, twenty-twenty-two was still a year where, like, everybody was obsessed about those two. So, it was a perfect time because we could actually focus and build on a lot on the AI…”
Mati Staniszewski Sep 9, 2026 ▶ 1:06 Building One of AI’s Fastest-Growing Companies | Mati Staniszewski, ElevenLabs
MASTERS OF SCALE Prediction Not checkable as stated
Pincus: The metaverse will be huge, but not inside VR goggles
“I think that the metaverse is starting to happen and I think it's going to happen and it's going to be As big as Zuck thought, and it's just not going to happen inside of an immersive game goggle that is painful and hot to wear on your head, even if the form f…”
Mark Pincus Jul 2, 2026 ▶ 27:37 Mark Pincus unpacks his "Proven, Better, New" framework (with Reid Hoffman) | Masters of Scale
Pincus: Consumer agentic AI avatars are the true metaverse
“And I think, and also think just once the unlock happens for consumer agentic AI, what's that gonna be? That's the metaverse, right? When we have Avatars that are roaming the world while we're not there and networking and finding us dates and jobs and new ways…”
Mark Pincus Jul 2, 2026 ▶ 29:21 Mark Pincus unpacks his "Proven, Better, New" framework (with Reid Hoffman) | Masters of Scale
Hari: Virtual worlds fail without simulated or living human activity
“I didn't believe that just creating these infinite three D worlds is enough. You had to fill the worlds with life for humans to actually want to be there. If you just go to like, I don't know, the desert, it's just empty. Who cares? But if you go to a city, it…”
Vish Hari May 19, 2026 ▶ 23:17 Redefining Digital Consciousness with Vishnu Hari of ego | The Innovators & Investors Podcast
MAD Opinion
Evans: 'Agent' in AI is as fuzzy a term as 'metaverse'
“It's a very kind of, it's a slightly kind of fuzzy term. It's a little bit like saying metaverse. You know, you don't really know what somebody meant when they might've meant VR or VR is real. They might've meant games. Games are real. But when they said metav…”
Benedict Evans Mar 19, 2026 ▶ 17:12 Benedict Evans: OpenAI’s Moat Problem & the Future of Software
TBPN Disclosure
Cohen: GameStop is not investing in VR or metaverse
“We're not investing in in, in virtual reality or in, in the metaverse, unless there's a clear path to being able to deliver results for shareholders.”
Ryan Cohen Oct 21, 2025 ▶ 14:01 GameStop CEO Ryan Cohen live on TBPN
Siegler: Meta has a major problem with focus on new initiatives
“I do think that they have a very a big problem with focus when it comes to new things coming out, right? Even just look at the fact that they renamed the company Meta. They reoriented around the metaverse.”
M.G. Siegler Jul 9, 2025 ▶ 36:05 Apple’s Anthropic Flirtation, Can Meta Build Superintelligence?, AI Browser Wars — With M.G. Siegler
Y COMBINATOR Prediction Not checkable as stated
Fei-Fei Li: Hardware and software convergence will eventually enable the metaverse
“I'm actually really, really excited by metaverse. I know so many people are kind of still like it's still not working. I know it's still not working. That's why I'm excited because I think the convergence of hardware and software will be coming. So that's also…”
Dr. Fei-Fei Li Jul 1, 2025 ▶ 25:10 Fei-Fei Li: Spatial Intelligence is the Next Frontier in AI · Y Combinator
NEON SHOW Assertion Not checkable as stated
Namasivayam: Zuckerberg Personally Drove Meta's Entire Metaverse and VR Pivot
“When I think about the time they shifted from Facebook to Meta, the entire VR, the entire Metaverse was a lot of his driving force behind it. It's incredible how much, you know, energy this person has to kind of make those kind of company-wide chains.”
Vasanth Namasivayam Jun 27, 2025 ▶ 10:03 How NVIDIA, Meta & Dropbox Taught Me To Build Great Products | Vasanth, Founder - Featurely
NO PRIORS Opinion
Dr. Fei-Fei Li: Generative 3D models unlock XR and metaverse content creation
“A lot of what we're waiting for metaverse or XR AR, VR is content creation. I understand hardware itself needs to continue to evolve, but I also think software we're looking for content creation and that lends itself so naturally to three D modeling and three …”
Dr. Fei-Fei Li Jun 5, 2025 ▶ 15:01 No Priors Ep. 117 | With Co-Director of Stanford's HAI & Founder of World Labs Dr. Fei-Fei Li
THE PITCH Assertion Not publicly verifiable
Dominguez: SVRF is partnered with AR platform Metaverse
“Today we're partnered with this company called Metaverse, And so what they allow is you can very easily build AR experiences. And so we provide them with a database of content that allows their users to like more readily build these type of experiences.”
Sofia Dominguez Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 6:36 #45 Whatever Happened to Virtual Reality?
WTF Prediction Not checkable as stated
Yassin: Starting as an AI or Metaverse creator will pay off
“Like if I was starting a seven year career now, I would probably want to start as like, AI creator or a Metaverse creator, because in six years, you are going to be at the right place at the right time.”
Nuseir Yassin Nov 20, 2023 ▶ 1:14:56 Ep# 13 | WTF does it take to Build Influence Today? Nikhil w/ Nuseir, Tanmay, Prajakta & Ranveer · Nikhil Kamath
McAfee: Overconfident leaders inevitably overinvest in expensive pet projects
“Overconfidence will make you invest way too much money in, I don't know, like the metaverse, for example, or the fire phone, or your pet project. Overconfident successful leaders will have a very strong tendency To take their organizations in bad directions, w…”
Andrew McAfee Nov 15, 2023 ▶ 25:22 Ep 70: Andrew McAfee on the Science Behind the World's Most Valuable Companies · Joe Lonsdale
BIG TECHNOLOGY Assertion Supported
Kantrowitz: Meta increased metaverse spending despite its 'Year of Efficiency' cost cuts
“That's actually not what happened. They didn't cut spend at all. They, in fact, increased spend on the metaverse. I mean, they are not taking their foot off the gas pedal there, and they've just tried to trim elsewhere within the company.”
Alex Kantrowitz Oct 25, 2023 ▶ 9:55 Big Technology's New Release, AI Bubble Looms, Apple's Next Event — With Brian McCullough
a16z Insight
Zuckerberg: Metaverse's advantage over phones is shared physical presence
“The thing that you can do in the metaverse that is different from what you can do on a phone is like doing stuff where you're physically there together and Participating in things together, and we could play games like this.”
Mark Zuckerberg Oct 13, 2023 ▶ 1:51 Dunking in VR: Inside the Future of Sports
Evans: The metaverse is dead and was always a meaningless term
“Obviously metaverse is dead which is good because it's a meaningless term and no one knows what anybody else might.”
Benedict Evans Jun 5, 2023 ▶ 6:32 Apple Vision
STARTUP IDEAS Disclosure
Nickson: Posting gimmicks on company accounts protects personal brand equity
“Sometimes it's a little bit gimmicky, you know, like here are 10 apps that you can use to harness the power of generative AI to You know, boost your business or whatever. And I'm like, I don't know if I want to post that as a little gimmicky, but I got metaver…”
Roberto Nickson May 18, 2023 ▶ 5:32 Roberto Nickson Grew 400K+ Followers In 100 Days: Here's How
20VC Opinion
Mostaque: Meta's pursuit of the metaverse was a complete waste
“Because the metaverse, obviously, is a complete waste.”
Emad Mostaque May 17, 2023 ▶ 1:05:01 Emad Mostaque: These 5 Companies Will Win the AI War; Why We Need National Data Sets | E1015 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
BIG TECHNOLOGY Prediction Not checkable as stated
Luckey: Blended virtual reality is likely computing's final form before telepathy
“I believed in this idea of a digital parallel world that exists alongside our own, blending the real and the virtual seamlessly through your daily life as something that is if not inevitable, at least very, very likely to be the last form of computing, aside f…”
Palmer Luckey Apr 4, 2023 ▶ 1:36 Palmer Luckey - Future of Virtual Reality, AI War, Autonomous Killing Machines, Militarized Policing
BIG TECHNOLOGY Prediction Not checkable as stated
Luckey: Smaller startups will figure out the metaverse before Big Tech
“Honestly, my bet is that a smaller player will Figure it out first, just because there's so many different approaches and it's very hard as a large company to pick one approach that will out-compete every one of the myriad of other approaches that are all comi…”
Palmer Luckey Apr 4, 2023 ▶ 2:18 Palmer Luckey - Future of Virtual Reality, AI War, Autonomous Killing Machines, Militarized Policing
Luckey: Meta's $13B spend only works if you believe in the metaverse
“They can't say it's only for gamers or it's specifically for these niche enterprise use cases and then spend thirteen billion dollars because it just doesn't spreadsheet out. It only works as an investment if you believe in this long-term vision of the metaver…”
Palmer Luckey Apr 4, 2023 ▶ 17:09 Palmer Luckey - Future of Virtual Reality, AI War, Autonomous Killing Machines, Militarized Policing
STARTUP IDEAS Prediction Not checkable as stated
Rogenmoser: Meta could wait five years on the metaverse and remain first
“I just think it's early and you've got this thing in front of you. That's so clearly here that I think you could, they could still be the first by a long shot to the metaverse by waiting five more years.”
Dave Rogenmoser Mar 30, 2023 ▶ 43:54 Master the Art of AI-first Products with Dave Rogenmoser's Winning Formula
WTF Opinion
Tanmay Bhat: Meta must master hardware via Oculus to secure next 25 years
“Apple's biggest advantage is they have a hardware device. Zuck just needs to make, if he has to ensure the next 20, 20, 20, 25 years, he needs to get hardware right and his big bet is Oculus or the metaverse, which is it's going to be a thing where we all sit …”
Tanmay Bhat Mar 12, 2023 ▶ 20:58 #1 WTF is Metaverse? WTF is with Nikhil Kamath ft. Tanmay Bhat, Umang Bedi & Aprameya Radhakrishna · Nikhil Kamath
WTF Opinion
Stagliano: Metaverse Existed Logically in Analog Games Like Dungeons & Dragons
“My concept of metaverse is something that already existed in different form and shape. The technology allow us to have a different configuration of the metaverse. But for me, metaverse is an ecosystem. It could be a physical or digital that create a complex se…”
Marco Stagliano Mar 12, 2023 ▶ 29:59 #1 WTF is Metaverse? WTF is with Nikhil Kamath ft. Tanmay Bhat, Umang Bedi & Aprameya Radhakrishna · Nikhil Kamath
WTF Opinion
Bhat: GTA Roleplay Is the Closest Existing Version of the Metaverse
“This is the closest thing to the metaverse that already exists that I've seen.”
Tanmay Bhat Mar 12, 2023 ▶ 42:31 #1 WTF is Metaverse? WTF is with Nikhil Kamath ft. Tanmay Bhat, Umang Bedi & Aprameya Radhakrishna · Nikhil Kamath
WTF Opinion
Umang Bedi: Metaverse interactions are far better for reducing carbon emissions
“I think as compute gets more efficient, it definitely is a greener solution, right? If the applicability is around, let's say, commute, shopping, meetings, interactions, it is, I don't know if it's the answer, but it's definitely far better in terms of reducin…”
Umang Bedi Mar 12, 2023 ▶ 1:10:27 #1 WTF is Metaverse? WTF is with Nikhil Kamath ft. Tanmay Bhat, Umang Bedi & Aprameya Radhakrishna · Nikhil Kamath
WTF Prediction Not checkable as stated
Aprameya: Metaverse will dominate and increase friction of in-person meetings
“Yeah, I think metaverse is definitely the future. Some of the most important things will go there and, you know, we'll, we'll probably become less human because the friction to actually meet somebody in person will be much higher.”
Aprameya Radhakrishna Mar 12, 2023 ▶ 1:11:51 #1 WTF is Metaverse? WTF is with Nikhil Kamath ft. Tanmay Bhat, Umang Bedi & Aprameya Radhakrishna · Nikhil Kamath
WTF Prediction Not checkable as stated
Bedi: Metaverse will serve utilitarian needs but cannot replace physical interaction
“I think these experiences will get utilitarian, these experiences will help with conveniences, these experiences Will help with healthcare, financial services, travel, experiencing, you know, even an F-one race or an IPL cricket game if you can't travel. But a…”
Umang Bedi Mar 12, 2023 ▶ 1:13:29 #1 WTF is Metaverse? WTF is with Nikhil Kamath ft. Tanmay Bhat, Umang Bedi & Aprameya Radhakrishna · Nikhil Kamath
MAD Prediction Not checkable as stated
Kambadur: Generative 3D AI tools will vastly accelerate building the metaverse
“That's kind of like how the metaverse is gonna happen. We're gonna be able to like walk around and generated three D worlds in VR, and they're all gonna be built Much more quickly than maybe we expected a few years ago.”
Melanie Kambadur Feb 2, 2023 ▶ 7:05 A Conversation on The State of AI | Melanie Kambadur, Meta & Gideon Mann, Bloomberg
BIG TECHNOLOGY Disclosure
LeCun: Meta will roll out generative AI across its multimedia services
“You're gonna see things like that popping up on, you know, Meta's services in various various places. Generating images, effects, modifying images, generating video, generating music, sound effects, Three D models. Okay. Which of course is important for the me…”
Yann LeCun Jan 25, 2023 ▶ 48:35 Is ChatGPT A Step Toward Human-Level AI? — With Yann LeCun, Meta Chief AI Scientist
a16z Assertion Not checkable as stated
Neal Stephenson: AR and VR are not required to build the metaverse
“We absolutely do not need AR and VR in order to build the metaverse.”
Neal Stephenson Dec 27, 2022 ▶ 11:28 a16z Podcast: Best Clips of 2022
WE LIVE TO BUILD Prediction Not checkable as stated
McGarry: Metaverse will fragment into specialized virtual worlds
“I see this as breaking into a bunch of worlds here. There's going to be worlds for work. There's going to be worlds for commerce. There's going to be worlds for mental health. There's going to be worlds for gaming. There's going to be worlds for events and soc…”
Steve McGarry Dec 22, 2022 ▶ 12:33 Builders Are the Ticket Before Interoperability Ever Gets Solved
WE LIVE TO BUILD Prediction Not checkable as stated
McGarry: Metaverse will operate as siloed apps, not seamless worlds
“The buzzword interoperability is one that people throw around a lot in the web three space. And the intention there is what you're describing of people will be able to fluidly move between these worlds. But ultimately I think that this is going to be more of l…”
Steve McGarry Dec 22, 2022 ▶ 14:52 Builders Are the Ticket Before Interoperability Ever Gets Solved
WE LIVE TO BUILD Prediction Not checkable as stated
Weisbrot: Metaverse interoperability is highly unlikely due to code and capitalism
“If you actually understand how code is created and you understand how capitalism works, the chance of interoperability between these worlds is highly unlikely.”
Sean Weisbrot Dec 22, 2022 ▶ 18:46 Builders Are the Ticket Before Interoperability Ever Gets Solved
McGarry: Delayed asset settlement removes high TPS requirements in metaverse games
“And I would say that if settlement of these different in-game assets happened at a later time, you don't really need a high throughput of transactions per second.”
Steve McGarry Dec 22, 2022 ▶ 41:26 Builders Are the Ticket Before Interoperability Ever Gets Solved
a16z Insight
Stephenson: AR and VR are not required to build the metaverse
“We absolutely do not need AR and VR in order to build the metaverse.”
Neal Stephenson Nov 22, 2022 ▶ 0:00 Neal Stephenson on the Future of the Metaverse
a16z Insight
Stephenson: Widely used modern technology is pre-metaverse, not true metaverse
“In general, to address the specific things that you mentioned I think anything that's being used a lot today probably is not very metaverse-like, because in general, when people talk about the metaverse, they're talking about the next thing that's coming along…”
Neal Stephenson Nov 22, 2022 ▶ 5:24 Neal Stephenson on the Future of the Metaverse
a16z Insight
Stephenson: The metaverse is a single unitary space, not multiple metaverses
“Tony Parisi has got seven rules of the metaverse, and rule number one is that there's only the metaverse. There's not a bunch of metaverses. So that, for me, is a strong indicator. If I see someone talking about our metaverse or a metaverse, yeah, I immediatel…”
Neal Stephenson Nov 22, 2022 ▶ 6:09 Neal Stephenson on the Future of the Metaverse
a16z Prediction Not checkable as stated
Stephenson: Metaverse standards will emerge via ad-hoc collaboration, not top-down control
“There's not going to be one top-down big boss that says, here's how it's all going to work. It's going to be some ad hoc arrangements of people trying to work together.”
Neal Stephenson Nov 22, 2022 ▶ 7:54 Neal Stephenson on the Future of the Metaverse
a16z Prediction Not checkable as stated
Stephenson: Mass-market metaverses must enforce standardized avatar size constraints
“I do think that almost any plausible metaverse that I can think of, there's going to have to be some understanding around the size of avatars. It just doesn't make sense and it doesn't work if you've got some avatars that are a 100,000 times bigger than others…”
Neal Stephenson Nov 22, 2022 ▶ 23:20 Neal Stephenson on the Future of the Metaverse
a16z Prediction Not checkable as stated
Stephenson: Mass metaverses will replicate physical architecture like roofs and walls
“I think people are comforted by shelter, by the feeling of privacy that you get when there's some walls around you, there's a roof over your head. So we're going to see those forms recapitulated in metaverse experiences that are geared towards drawing in a mas…”
Neal Stephenson Nov 22, 2022 ▶ 25:27 Neal Stephenson on the Future of the Metaverse
a16z Prediction Not checkable as stated
Stephenson: AI will populate and animate virtual environments in the metaverse
“In the metaverse, I think we're going to see virtual environments that are populated and brought to life by AI. In some cases, it's going to be so what you might think, which is non-player characters that Walk around and, you know, deliver the mail or whatever…”
Neal Stephenson Nov 22, 2022 ▶ 32:55 Neal Stephenson on the Future of the Metaverse
a16z Prediction Not checkable as stated
Stephenson predicts both fiat and crypto will power metaverse economies
“We think that cryptocurrency and fiat currency, you know, in other words, old fashioned non-cryptocurrency, they're both going to be used in the metaverse just as they are in the real world.”
Neal Stephenson Nov 22, 2022 ▶ 56:42 Neal Stephenson on the Future of the Metaverse
Kantrowitz: No case exists for consumers hanging out in the metaverse
“When it comes to like us all hanging out in some metaverse, I just don't see the case for it.”
Alex Kantrowitz Nov 6, 2022 ▶ 1:00:38 Saagar Enjeti and Marshall Kosloff on Midterms, Trump, Economy, and Ukraine
Evans: The term 'metaverse' has become linguistically meaningless
“Well, in the kind of linguistic sense that the word metaverse contains no meaning. It is meaningless because you do not know what the person speaking might mean by it.”
Benedict Evans Oct 31, 2022 ▶ 1:16 How many metaverses?
Evans: Debating separate metaverse regulations is completely ludicrous
“And hence people saying, should we regulate the metaverse, or how will politics work on the metaverse, is just completely ludicrous. It's like saying, should we regulate the mobile internet differently from the internet? Well, no, it's just the internet. And, …”
Benedict Evans Oct 31, 2022 ▶ 3:09 How many metaverses?
Evans: Metaverse discourse is an inorganic, utopian wishlist rather than reality
“It's this top-down, centralized, inorganic, deterministic, predetermined, sort of ideal, republic, utopian vision of this is how the internet will work. And it's got all these kind of other ideas attached to it, like I was describing this as like Katamari Dama…”
Benedict Evans Oct 31, 2022 ▶ 20:23 How many metaverses?
Evans: Treat Current VR and AR Projects Strictly as Pure Experiments
“And so even if you think that VR and AR are going to work and are going to be the universal thing, think of anything you're doing now as pure experiment, pure learning, pure interest, with no expectation that this is going to be meaningful.”
Benedict Evans Oct 31, 2022 ▶ 28:14 How many metaverses?
BIG TECHNOLOGY Assertion Partly supported
Haugen: Chinese studies show VR is substantially more addictive than phones
“The big problems with the metaverse are things like you know, studies out of China have shown it's more addictive, or more habit-forming like substantially more so than phones, because it's immersive.”
Frances Haugen Sep 29, 2022 ▶ 41:39 Facebook Whistleblower Frances Haugen On Product, Competition, And Transparency
BIG TECHNOLOGY Prediction Not checkable as stated
Haugen: Zuckerberg's vision of 12-hour daily metaverse use won't happen
“Do I think Mark's vision of spending 12 hours a day in the metaverse will come true? No.”
Frances Haugen Sep 29, 2022 ▶ 44:07 Facebook Whistleblower Frances Haugen On Product, Competition, And Transparency
Rosenstein: NFTs are essential as ownership shifts to the digital metaverse
“We're shifting away from ownership of physical items, and now with an NFT, it allows individuals to have access and ownership of digital items, and I think that's really important, especially for areas in the metaverse.”
Jason Rosenstein Aug 30, 2022 ▶ 3:07 A Top Computer Scientist Got Drained in Seconds From a Discord Link
WE LIVE TO BUILD Prediction Not checkable as stated
Rosenstein: Every future video game will feature a play-to-earn economy
“There's gonna be this play-to-earn economy, in my opinion, that's gonna be created, and I don't think that, that, that people in the future will ever be playing video games to just, for free, essentially. I think that every game will have an economy in whateve…”
Jason Rosenstein Aug 30, 2022 ▶ 18:34 A Top Computer Scientist Got Drained in Seconds From a Discord Link
WE LIVE TO BUILD Prediction Not checkable as stated
Rosenstein: VR headsets will eventually shrink to sunglasses and become essential
“I mean, I think headsets are going to be more and more popular. They're going to be less bulky in the future. They're going to be easier. You know, to affordable, essentially easier to acquire. I think they will be essential, but I think the technology is goin…”
Jason Rosenstein Aug 30, 2022 ▶ 19:36 A Top Computer Scientist Got Drained in Seconds From a Discord Link
WE LIVE TO BUILD Prediction Not checkable as stated
Rosenstein: NFTs will evolve from 2D pictures into 3D metaverse assets
“I think NFTs are really going to evolve to be three-dimensional things, three-dimensional things that you own in the metaverse.”
Jason Rosenstein Aug 30, 2022 ▶ 33:24 A Top Computer Scientist Got Drained in Seconds From a Discord Link
Li Jin: Neopets served as an early dial-up metaverse
“Neopets was the metaverse, but on a dial up internet connection.”
Li Jin Jul 21, 2022 ▶ 6:50 Betting Big on Web3 with Li Jin
Evans: Web3 and crypto hype diverted tech attention from AI
“And so I sort of just, I mean, I just kind of think like with all of the attention and all the buzz and hype around like metaverse and web three and crypto and DeFi and VR, we kind of stopped paying attention to AI.”
Benedict Evans Jul 18, 2022 ▶ 3:03 Remember AI?
STARTUP IDEAS Assertion Supported
Ball: Text-Based Metaverse Precursors Emerged in the 1960s and 1970s
“The first Really, two D based metaverse experiences, two D text versions of Roblox emerge in the 19 sixties and seventies.”
Matthew Ball Jul 14, 2022 ▶ 13:08 The Metaverse & How It Will Change the World with Matthew Ball
Ball: Dystopian Sci-Fi Negatively Colors Public Perceptions of the Metaverse
“Does it have a negative effect? Absolutely. And certainly if you are suffering from some form of confirmation bias, it reiterates that confirmation or that bias.”
Matthew Ball Jul 14, 2022 ▶ 15:37 The Metaverse & How It Will Change the World with Matthew Ball
Ball Defines Metaverse as Massively Scaled, Synchronous 3D Virtual Network
“I mean this because I'm going to describe the metaverse, not define it. And that is a massively scaled and interoperable network of three D rendered real time virtual worlds, which can be experienced synchronously and persistently by an effectively unlimited n…”
Matthew Ball Jul 14, 2022 ▶ 25:54 The Metaverse & How It Will Change the World with Matthew Ball
Ball: Virtual world developers should pioneer 3D tools, not reinvent governance
“The enormity of what we want to build requires extraordinary trust in the system, extraordinary investment, and we actually have these frameworks we need not reinvent. We can iterate on, but even there, we should pioneer on the three D tools, not the societal …”
Matthew Ball Jul 14, 2022 ▶ 39:51 The Metaverse & How It Will Change the World with Matthew Ball

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