SaaS companies

49 statements across 37 episodes · 17 bullish · 12 bearish · 22 people on the record · first statement Jul 7, 2017 by Ajay Agarwal · across every show →

Everything said about SaaS companies, oldest first

Jul 7, 2017 negative
Opinion
Agarwal: Most SaaS companies fail to build a meaningful second product
“If you look at the history of enterprise software and SaaS companies, you know, most companies rarely build a second product, you know, second product that's kind of as meaningful and as big and has as much potential as the first product.”
Ajay Agarwal Jul 7, 2017 ▶ 29:10 How to Break Out and Really Scale
Dec 20, 2017 positive
Insight
Fraden: SaaS startups are better off growing slower to ensure high LTV
“You're much better off Growing a little slower if you're going to actually ensure that you have very high LTV.”
Russ Fraden Dec 20, 2017 ▶ 14:15 How the Relationship Changes Between CEO and VP Sales After Funding
May 15, 2019 neutral
Insight
Most SaaS companies hit a growth wall at $1M–$3M ARR
“Most companies, when they get to 1,000,002 1,000,003 million AR, they don't really have the machine yet. So what they, so they typically end up hitting a wall for a few months because they don't really know how, where the growth comes from.”
Romain Lapeyre May 15, 2019 ▶ 3:29 Lessons from Gorgias: How to Close your First 1000 Customers Based Solely on Data
Oct 28, 2019 positive
Assertion Supported
Monetization improvements drive 4x the bottom-line impact of acquisition improvements
“This is an interesting study that was done by the folks from Price Intelligently. They talked to over 500 SaaS companies and looked at what a one percent improvement in acquisition, retention, and monetization did to the company's bottom line. And the results …”
Menlo Ventures Investor Oct 28, 2019 ▶ 2:11 Matching Price to Value: 3 Lessons in Monetization from Menlo Ventures
Nov 11, 2019 neutral
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Cummings: Most SaaS investors view credit lines as safety nets, not growth tools
“In today's world, most SaaS companies, at least the ones that I'm involved with, the investors on the board recommend using lines of credit as a safety net, but not to actually grow the business.”
David Cummings Nov 11, 2019 ▶ 9:27 7 Lessons Helping Start Pardot, SalesLoft, and Calendly
Oct 8, 2020
Insight
Shah: SaaS companies must track user career trajectories across multiple employers
“I think one of the things that will make for successful SaaS companies in the future, this is what we're working on, is this kind of connected ecosystem. Like, we should know not just which companies have bought from us, which people have bought from us and tr…”
Dharmesh Shah Oct 8, 2020 ▶ 28:40 On Launching a Second Product with Dharmesh Shah, CTO / Co-Founder HubSpot
Jan 10, 2021 negative
Insight
Kellogg: SaaS Companies Experiencing Mid-Contract Churn Should Stop Multi-Year Deals
“To a certain extent, I'd also stop doing multi-year deals, because if you're giving someone a price lock for a multi-year deal and they're not renewing, you gave something and got nothing.”
Dave Kellogg Jan 10, 2021 ▶ 37:49 Churn is dead. Long live Net Dollar Retention Rate with Dave Kellogg | SaaStr Software Community
Feb 18, 2021
Assertion Supported
Campbell: A 1% increase in acquisition yields a 2-3% revenue boost
“We found that if you increase your leads or your conversion volume by about one percent, you can actually expect about a two to three percent boost in your revenue.”
Patrick Campbell Feb 18, 2021 ▶ 6:26 The Current State of SaaS Companies, Subscriptions, and Retention in 2021 | ProfitWell Founder & CEO
Feb 18, 2021
Assertion Supported
Campbell: SaaS companies spend a median 57% of budgets on acquisition
“We did do a study where we essentially looked at the budgets of about 1300 SaaS companies, and we categorized every single expenditure, and we found out, which is really kind of fascinating, that when we categorize all of these expenses, about 57%, at least th…”
Patrick Campbell Feb 18, 2021 ▶ 4:57 The Current State of SaaS Companies, Subscriptions, and Retention in 2021 | ProfitWell Founder & CEO
Feb 18, 2021
Assertion Supported
Campbell: SaaS firms spend under 10% on retention and zero on pricing
“When we looked at other pieces such as monetization, basically no budget, no time, no head count was going to pricing. And then ultimately retention was a little bit better about five to 10% of a budget.”
Patrick Campbell Feb 18, 2021 ▶ 5:20 The Current State of SaaS Companies, Subscriptions, and Retention in 2021 | ProfitWell Founder & CEO
Feb 18, 2021 bullish
Assertion Supported
Campbell: Improving monetization or retention 1% has a 4-8x revenue impact
“If you improve your revenue per customer, your monetization, or your overall retention by about one percent, you're actually going to see about a four to eight X impact on your revenue.”
Patrick Campbell Feb 18, 2021 ▶ 6:41 The Current State of SaaS Companies, Subscriptions, and Retention in 2021 | ProfitWell Founder & CEO
Feb 18, 2021 positive
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Campbell: Top SaaS companies get 20%+ of new monthly revenue from expansion
“The best subscription companies, specifically SAS companies out there, 20% or more of their revenue each month is, or new revenue each month is coming from their existing customer base through add ons expansion, some sort of add on.”
Patrick Campbell Feb 18, 2021 ▶ 22:58 The Current State of SaaS Companies, Subscriptions, and Retention in 2021 | ProfitWell Founder & CEO
Feb 18, 2021 positive
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Campbell: Multi-product SaaS companies grow 30-50% faster than single-product peers
“Multi-product companies between 10 and a hundred million in annual revenue, they typically grow at a 30 to 50% higher growth rate than those folks who are single product.”
Patrick Campbell Feb 18, 2021 ▶ 24:04 The Current State of SaaS Companies, Subscriptions, and Retention in 2021 | ProfitWell Founder & CEO
Sep 17, 2021 positive
Insight
Lemkin: The vast majority of SaaS companies need a second product
“It's key for the vast majority of not all, but the vast majority of SAS companies is you need a second product to drive up NRR.”
Jason Lemkin Sep 17, 2021 ▶ 16:47 Nick Mehta CEO Gainsight + Jason Lemkin CEO SaaStr on "The Latest in Leveling Up Customer Success"
Jun 24, 2022
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Lemkin: 80% to 90% of SaaS companies now do outbound sales
“Everyone, I would say five years ago, maybe half of SaaS companies did outbound. I would say today it's like about 80 to 90%, as near as I can tell.”
Jason Lemkin Jun 24, 2022 ▶ 26:24 16 Ways to Level Up in 2022 with SaaStr Founder and CEO Jason Lemkin | SaaStr Software Community
Jun 29, 2022 neutral
Insight
Janz: SaaS companies under $25M ARR need 2x growth for investor excitement
“If you're not growing at least two X year over year, it's pretty hard to get investors really excited. At least until, let's say, 20, twenty five million in, in ERR.”
Christoph Janz Jun 29, 2022 ▶ 15:46 Balancing Growth and Efficiency in Tougher Times | Point Nine Managing Partner Christoph Janz
Jun 29, 2022 positive
Insight
Janz: Lots of SaaS companies undercharge and should raise pricing
“Pricing is a huge leverage. Lots of SaaS companies don't charge enough, so increasing pricing or experimenting with pricing is generally always a very good idea”
Christoph Janz Jun 29, 2022 ▶ 30:12 Balancing Growth and Efficiency in Tougher Times | Point Nine Managing Partner Christoph Janz
Jun 29, 2022 positive
Insight
Janz: Good burn multiple for $1M-$25M ARR SaaS is 1.5 to 2
“As a general rule of thumb, for SaaS companies, around a million to twenty-five million in an ARR, which I'm assuming is probably the like, the range most people in the audience here are in one to five 1.5 to two is, is good. One to 1.5 or even lower is, is gr…”
Christoph Janz Jun 29, 2022 ▶ 18:10 Balancing Growth and Efficiency in Tougher Times | Point Nine Managing Partner Christoph Janz
Jul 26, 2022 negative
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Zocchetto: Most SaaS companies suffer over 50% annual sales attrition
“As it is the case, unfortunately, in most SaaS companies, where we see a big attrition with salespeople. Sometimes more than 50% a year.”
Firmin Zocchetto Jul 26, 2022 ▶ 14:24 7 Secrets to a Successful SMB GTM Strategy with PayFit and Accel | SaaStr Software Community
Aug 25, 2022 positive
Insight
Lemkin: Top 20% of SaaS customers grow faster despite budget freezes
“A lot of SaaS companies are seeing 20% of their companies have freezes, but the top 20% are growing faster than ever. So instead of whining about the freezes, go hunt the 20% that aren't frozen.”
Jason Lemkin Aug 25, 2022 ▶ 30:53 The Answers To Scaling, Hiring, And Everything Else: An AMA With Saastr Founder & Ceo Jason Lemkin
Nov 3, 2022 bearish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Beechuk: SaaS sector may face period of near-zero new logo growth
“We may be entering a period of very, very low to no new logo growth.”
Scott Beechuk Nov 3, 2022 ▶ 13:55 Increasing Runway Without Sacrificing Growth with Norwest Venture Partners and Andreessen Horowitz
Mar 10, 2023
Insight
Lemkin: SaaS Startups Should Open EMEA Office by $2M Revenue
“Actually, I think most folks wait too long to have an EMEA office. You at least want to do it by the time you have a couple million in revenue to service those customers, right?”
Jason Lemkin Mar 10, 2023 ▶ 7:30 SaaStr APAC AMA with Jason Lemkin, SaaStr CEO
Mar 21, 2023
Insight
Lenta: SaaS go-to-market efforts must align with commercial pricing models
“The commercial models that you choose to build and offer to your customers Not only define the way that you will think about go-to-market, but similarly you need to marry your go-to-market efforts to specific commercial structures that, that you, as SaaS compa…”
Ed Lenta Mar 21, 2023 ▶ 6:14 Lessons Learned in Scaling Early-Stage to Hyper-Growth Companies: From VMware, AWS and Databricks
Apr 25, 2023 negative
Opinion
Robertson: Customer marketing lacks the established playbooks of demand generation
“And the reason is, is that there actually is no playbook. There's not a lot of information out there on what is customer marketing? How do you work on that? How do you create the right KPIs? What should your team look like? If you look at marketing in general,…”
Tara Robertson Apr 25, 2023 ▶ 1:43 Customer Marketing Strategies Guaranteed to Grow Your Business with Bitly CMO Tara Robertson
Jun 16, 2023 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Lemkin: An unprecedented wave of SaaS IPOs will occur once markets reopen
“When things do open, when, if multiples do reflate a little bit, we will see this spring of public SaaS companies like we've never seen, right? There's a whole new wave.”
Jason Lemkin Jun 16, 2023 ▶ 39:08 Why The Era of Efficient Growth is Now: The State of the Market with SaaStr CEO Jason Lemkin
Jun 16, 2023 neutral
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Lemkin: Roughly 20% of SaaS Companies Suffer No Macro Slowdown
“20% or so of SaaS companies are not impacted at all. They have no macro impacts for a lot of reasons.”
Jason Lemkin Jun 16, 2023 ▶ 19:11 Why The Era of Efficient Growth is Now: The State of the Market with SaaStr CEO Jason Lemkin
Aug 3, 2023 positive
Insight
Lemkin: Healthy SaaS needs a 2:1 revenue-to-new-customer growth ratio
“I track this with SAS companies and it's a niche metric, but it's super interesting in terms of long-term health, which is the ratio of revenue growth to new customer growth on a percentage basis. So I like to see at least a sort of a two to one ratio. Like if…”
Jason Lemkin Aug 3, 2023 ▶ 12:34 The Most Important SaaS Metrics with Monday.com Co-Founders and SaaStr Founder Jason Lemkin
Oct 10, 2023 bullish
Insight
Zinman: At Scale, a SaaS Company's Growth Rate Becomes Its NRR
“As you scale, even though you do performance marketing, you do the Super Bowl, you do whatever you want, that increment is going to be insignificant compared to the subscription revenue you already have. So, let's say you want to grow 30%, 40%. How do you do i…”
Eran Zinman Oct 10, 2023 ▶ 32:27 Secrets to Scaling and Growth in an Unpredictable Market with monday.com's Co-founder and Co-CEO
Nov 30, 2023 neutral
Assertion Supported
Over 50% of Pre-IPO Revenue Comes From Upsells and Cross-Sells
“The first is thinking about the split between existing customer base and new customers, and what you see here is by the time companies are ready to IPO, over 50% of their revenue is generated by existing customers through either upsell or cross-sell.”
Christine Edmonds Nov 30, 2023 ▶ 26:07 How to Scale Go-to-Market Through IPO with ICONIQ Growth's General Partners
Nov 30, 2023 neutral
Assertion Supported
Software Companies Average Three Distinct Products at the Time of IPO
“Cross-sell obviously requires a more diverse product suite, and what you can see along the bottom here is, on average, companies at the IPO stage have three products.”
Christine Edmonds Nov 30, 2023 ▶ 26:22 How to Scale Go-to-Market Through IPO with ICONIQ Growth's General Partners
Feb 2, 2024 negative
Opinion
Lemkin: SaaS companies forced unearned price increases on customers in 2023
“Everyone raised prices, even though they didn't often, usually they didn't earn it. They jammed price increases down customers throats.”
Jason Lemkin Feb 2, 2024 ▶ 1:42 2025 State of SaaS: Trends and Predictions with SaaStr CEO and Founder, Jason Lemkin
Jun 26, 2024 bearish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Lemkin: SaaS founders rejecting AI will lose deals 80% of the time
“Maybe you're right in 20, 24. Maybe, maybe, maybe you are right, but you're going to lose that deal eight times out of 10 when you're Compare. It looks a lot like you goes in and gets everyone excited about efficiency for AI.”
Jason Lemkin Jun 26, 2024 ▶ 0:20 Forget the SaaS Gloom and Doom. Just Build. with SaaStr CEO and Founder, Jason Lemkin
Oct 15, 2024 neutral
Insight
Lemkin: SaaS companies need roughly 700 employees at $200M ARR to survive
“You basically got to have 700 people when you get to two hundred million in ARR. And that may sound, hey, what does that mean for me? I'm not at two hundred million in ARR today. Roll it back to where you are. You can bridge some of the gap with capital, but a…”
Jason Lemkin Oct 15, 2024 ▶ 28:01 The Era of HyperFunctional SaaS is Here l SaaStr CEO and Founder Jason Lemkin
Oct 18, 2024
Insight
Lemkin: SaaS companies must compete in categories where they lose most deals
“You gotta play in categories where you lose most deals to win. This is a weird thing. You gotta play in categories where you lose most deals.”
Jason Lemkin Oct 18, 2024 ▶ 39:07 The Future of AI and Sales in SaaS with Henry Schuck, CEO of ZoomInfo and SaaStr CEO Jason Lemkin
Jan 24, 2025 positive
Insight
Lemkin: Top SaaS teams accelerate growth by continuously adding go-to-market layers
“Not only do you have to drive up NRR and drive down churn and solve those 82 feature gaps and build that integration, but you got to add a layer if you really want to do it. And the best teams, the most agile teams, the ones that are killing it are doing this.”
Jason Lemkin Jan 24, 2025 ▶ 1:12 9 Things You Can Do to Grow Faster This Year with SaaStr CEO and Founder Jason Lemkin
Jan 31, 2025 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Tunguz predicts AI startup margins and multiples will match classic SaaS
“Before they used to have Challenging gross margins. And now they'll probably look the same as SaaS companies, which means you have pretty significant multiple and valuation expansion.”
Tomasz Tunguz Jan 31, 2025 ▶ 12:46 The Future of AI in B2B SaaS: Insights from Synthesia and Theory Ventures. Hosted by Jason Lemkin
Feb 12, 2025 neutral
Assertion Partly supported
SaaS sales and marketing spend dropped from 55% in 2019 to 30%
“If you look at SaaS companies, the amount that they're spending on sales and marketing is a percentage of revenue. This was as high as over 50, 55% in 2019. The peak of spend, free money, investment, growth at all costs. That's down to 30% in 2024, just becaus…”
Lindsey Scrase Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 16:05 The Playbook for Going Upmarket with Stripe's CBO and Checkr's COO
Feb 14, 2025
Assertion Supported
Lemkin: 90% of SaaS companies that IPO have a founder CEO
“I did this analysis a little while ago that of the SaaS companies that IPO, 90% of a founder CEO.”
Jason Lemkin Feb 14, 2025 ▶ 3:50 Going Long: How Procore’s Founder Tooey Courtemanche Built a Billon-Dollar SaaS Empire Over 23 Years
Feb 21, 2025 neutral
Insight
Clayton: SaaS IPO preparation requires at least one full year
“It takes at least a year before you even say you want to go IPO if you can to do it.”
Alex Clayton Feb 21, 2025 ▶ 20:13 The Real Data on What it Takes to Go Big and Eventually IPO with Meritech Capital
Feb 21, 2025 bearish
Prediction Open · timeframe Feb 2028
Clayton: Annual SaaS IPO capacity is capped at 20 companies
“And only 20 SaaS companies per year can actually make it public. We don't think this number is going to go higher than this anytime soon.”
Alex Clayton Feb 21, 2025 ▶ 20:21 The Real Data on What it Takes to Go Big and Eventually IPO with Meritech Capital
Feb 21, 2025 neutral
Insight
Clayton: Modern SaaS IPOs demand $400M ARR and 30% growth
“We think that you need to be at least four hundred million of ARR. You have to be growing at least 30% a year. You're probably going to be worth three to five billion dollars and trade anywhere from that eight to 12 X range.”
Alex Clayton Feb 21, 2025 ▶ 10:09 The Real Data on What it Takes to Go Big and Eventually IPO with Meritech Capital
Feb 21, 2025 positive
Assertion Partly supported
Clayton: Public SaaS companies beat and raise guidance 80% of the time
“Irrespective of all market conditions, 80% of the time, SaaS companies are beat, are beating current quarter guidance and raising the subsequent quarter guidance.”
Alex Clayton Feb 21, 2025 ▶ 18:23 The Real Data on What it Takes to Go Big and Eventually IPO with Meritech Capital
Feb 28, 2025 bearish
Insight
Zinman: Upmarket SaaS firms become irrelevant by abandoning SMBs
“People don't realize that the SMBs and mid-market of today are the enterprise of tomorrow. So they getting used to use another product, they're getting used to use another platform, and eventually they become the enterprise companies. And then those enterprise…”
Eran Zinman Feb 28, 2025 ▶ 11:16 AI at Scale: 8 Learnings from monday.com Co-Founder and Co-Ceo Eran Zinman
May 21, 2025 bearish
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Lemkin: All $100M+ ARR SaaS Portfolios Have Slowed to 10-20% Growth
“If you talk to VCs here that have been around for a while and you have a quiet conversation, ask them how many folks in your portfolio are north of a hundred million, and now are seeing growth in the 10 or 20% range. All of them. All of them. It didn't used to…”
Jason Lemkin May 21, 2025 ▶ 9:36 SaaS + AI: It’s Time to Move Much Faster with SaaStr CEO and Founder Jason Lemkin
Jan 14, 2026 positive
Insight
Anderson: Top AI engineers prioritize access to proprietary data
“Besides wanting to work for cool AI companies, the good ones actually want to work for companies where they have more access to data.”
Ryan Anderson Jan 14, 2026 ▶ 13:10 10 Things To Do Right Now to Become AI Native with Filevine's CEO & Founder
Jan 28, 2026
Insight
Adams: AI Transformation Requires Making Painful, Revenue-Harming Decisions
“You won't make self-harming decisions to win. You'll protect revenue. You don't want to piss off the board. You know, you don't want to piss off your sales leader. Like there's loads of reasons and loads of places where you won't say, do you know what? We're g…”
Paul Adams Jan 28, 2026 ▶ 39:29 Why Most SaaS Companies Will Fail at AI (And How to Avoid It) with Intercom's CPO
Feb 18, 2026 bearish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Lemkin: Software Companies Lacking Magical AI Will Be Quickly Disrupted
“Cuz there's really no excuse today and you're gonna be quickly disrupted and churned if you can't build something magical with your AI app today.”
Jason Lemkin Feb 18, 2026 ▶ 22:28 The 90/10 Rule for AI Agents: What to Vibe Code, and What To Just Buy
Jul 15, 2026 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
O'Driscoll: AI apps will create massive public market outcomes within 15 years.
“But then I still think there are going to be over the next 1015 years, just as Microsoft dominated the client server and PC age and was the operating system, but there were hundreds of client server apps companies that achieved successful and great outcomes in…”
Rory O'Driscoll Jul 15, 2026 ▶ 27:21 Software Isn't Dead. It's Gotten Harder with Scale Venture Partners' Rory O'Driscoll
Aug 5, 2026 negative
Insight
Lemkin: SaaS companies should never increase prices on inactive accounts
“I haven't logged in in six months and you're raising my pricing. That's it. That's an F you, right? At least don't increase prices on your users that haven't logged in. That's my, that's what's triggering to raise price on a product you haven't used, right?”
Jason Lemkin Aug 5, 2026 ▶ 23:53 The Agents #12 - Our AI Agent Rewrote Our App Without Telling Us
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