Chinese Models
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30 statements about Chinese Models, every show
Reyes: Chinese AI models show no unique security backdoors versus US models
“For me, the Chinese models specifically have demonstrated no examples where they have some sort of security risk or backdoor compared to American models.”
Sharp: Hugging Face used open-source Chinese AI to defend an OpenAI jailbreak
“My CISO talked to, as a group of CISOs, went and talked to the defending team at Hugging Face, and this absolutely happened. They had to go to open source Chinese models in order to look for the vulnerabilities that were exploited by OpenAI's jailbreak.”
Atallah: The US Remains Very Far Behind in Open-Weight AI Models
“We should. We're behind. America is very, very behind still.”
Atallah: US Enterprises Fear Frontier Models More Than Chinese Open Models
“I think they're more nervous about frontier models, usually. Part because there's just like a much, there's much more confusion around the data policy about what's like actually happening to the props that I'm sending and where they're being stored and how the…”
Angelopoulos: China Unlikely to Ban Chinese AI Models in the US
“I don't really see them banning the use of Chinese models in the U.S. I don't think it makes sense for them.”
Palihapitiya: Input token costs range from $56 to $0.50 per million
“A million tokens on fable is about sacks, 56 bucks. A million from soul is about 26 bucks, which is the same as cloud for eight. A million input tokens from on grok is about a dollar 50. Zucks is about a dollar 50, Elon's about a dollar, and the Chinese models…”
Sam Lessin: Cross-border embargoes on open-source AI cannot work on the internet
“It's like, you can't stop this from moving cross border. Right. And so the basic point with all this stuff, again, is like, it's one thing if you're just like, okay, like the Chinese models are bad. And like, we're going to put up a trade embargo on like copyi…”
Jain: Enterprise AI adoption hurdle is Chinese model origin, not open source
“From a point of view of open source and using the model, everybody's going to be fine. The question is going to be, are they okay with the Chinese model or not? That's the only question here. It's not open source versus closed source.”
Broad AI bug-finding bans will force US cybersecurity to Chinese models
“What would be terrible for the entire American AI and cybersecurity industries is if the Trump administration defines a jailbreak as having any ability to find any vulnerability in code, because then all of us have to go to Chinese models.”
Sacks: Perplexity removed political censorship from Chinese open-source AI models
“Perplexity did this very early on with Chinese models. They showed that you could sort of put back the content on Tiananmen Square and things like that.”
Ranjan Roy: DeepSeek and Chinese models are now in almost every agent conversation
“The conversation around moving towards deep seek and adding it into your agentic process or adding Chinese models did not exist in any conversation I was in 12 months ago and now is in almost every conversation, at least as an option, because cost has become s…”
Stamos: Banning vulnerability-finding AI will force US firms onto Chinese models
“What would be terrible for the entire American AI and cybersecurity industries is if the Trump administration defines a jailbreak as having any ability to find any vulnerability in code, because then all of us have to go to Chinese models.”
Stamos: US CIOs contract Chinese open-weight models as backups against regulation
“And so now, this week, CIs and CTOs are signing contracts to have open weight models on different hosts, on U.S. Hosts. They're not using Chinese hosts, but they're using Chinese models on as backups through LLM routers because political risk Is now a risk of …”
Franceschi: Chinese AI Models Are Highly Capable for Cheap Token Usage
“You know, you look at the Chinese models, for example, like they're pretty decent.”
Gurley: Rest of world will run on Chinese AI if open source is restricted
“Same, same exact conclusion, which is rest of the world ends up running on Chinese models. If they're able to succeed at what you just said.”
Morin: Every founder he knows is trying to use Chinese AI models
“Every single founder, every company I know, everyone I am talking to about OpenClaw is like trying to figure out how to use Chinese models to make their AI pipelines more efficient by the day”
Shevelenko: Chinese AI models are pushing the frontier but not at it
“They are, you know, they're pushing the frontier. They're not at the frontier, but they're pushing it.”
Masad: Adopting Chinese AI models poses security risks, not moral issues
“I don't think there's a moral issue per se. Like, I don't think they're using slave labor or anything like that to do that. I would have a security issue, especially since we have enterprise customers that, that depend on us for sensitive data and things like …”
Sankar: Chinese AI models are the result of model distillation
“And even the Chinese models, those are a result of distillation.”
Amodei: Anthropic rarely faces Chinese AI models in enterprise contract bids
“When we go out, when we're you know, competing against other companies for enterprise contracts, We see, just honestly and candidly, we see Google, and we see OpenAI. Every once in a while, we see a couple other US players. I have almost never lost a deal, los…”
Gil: Chinese open-source AI models rank among highest on benchmarks
“Some of the highest
Scoring models against benchmarks now are Chinese models on the open source side.
On the closer side, it's still a lot of the US models, but things like Quinn, DeepSeq, et cetera, are doing very well.”
Lambert: Best open-license AI models near the frontier in 2025 were Chinese
“The models that are from closest to the frontier in performance with good license all happened to be Chinese models throughout the year for this case.”
Labenz: Chinese open-source AI models have surpassed American open-source models
“For those that are using open source, I do think it's true that the Chinese models have become the best.”
Horowitz: Academic institutions are predominantly using Chinese AI models
“Because what we're seeing now is in all the universities, they're all using the Chinese models.”
Ross: Anthropic should open-source older models to counter Chinese AI adoption
“I think that Anthropic should be open sourcing their previous generation in order to get people using them instead of the Chinese models.”
Gil: AI Models Are the Next Global Vehicle for Cultural Export
“And so if you look at prior waves of sort of culture spread, it was the movie industry, it was social media, and then now it's these models, because a lot of people go to these models as a trust, a source of truth for history, for information, for other things…”
Krishnan: Chinese AI Powering Global Devices Will Have Catastrophic Geopolitical Consequences
“There are going to be catastrophic consequences if Chinese models are running on every robot, Every camera, every car, every device around the world.”
Ross: Groq previously refused to run Chinese AI models
“So we up until recently refused to run any Chinese models.”
Horowitz: Google and Microsoft push for centralized Chinese-style AI control
“Like we go to the China model that Google and Microsoft are advocating for this Chinese model of only a few can control AI. We're going to be in big trouble.”