net dollar retention

also referred to as: ndr

14 statements across 8 episodes · 5 bullish · 3 bearish · 8 people on the record · first statement Jan 10, 2021 by Dave Kellogg · across every show →

Everything said about net dollar retention, oldest first

Jan 10, 2021 negative
Assertion Contradicted
Kellogg: Net Dollar Retention Shows Almost Zero Correlation With SaaS Multiples
“The R squared is only .O six between net dollar retention and enterprise value to next 12 months revenue.”
Dave Kellogg Jan 10, 2021 ▶ 42:41 Churn is dead. Long live Net Dollar Retention Rate with Dave Kellogg | SaaStr Software Community
Jan 10, 2021 neutral
Insight
Kellogg: NDR Is a Financing Enabler, Not a Valuation Driver
“So it's not a valuation driver. I now think of it as a financing enabler, right? Okay. So a higher one isn't necessarily by itself going to drive a higher valuation, but I could tell you if you don't have a high enough one, you're not going to be able to raise…”
Dave Kellogg Jan 10, 2021 ▶ 42:48 Churn is dead. Long live Net Dollar Retention Rate with Dave Kellogg | SaaStr Software Community
Jan 10, 2021 positive
Insight
Kellogg: Net dollar retention measures customer base health better than churn
“Net dollar retention, which I think is actually a more effective way to get at what churn is trying to measure.”
Dave Kellogg Jan 10, 2021 ▶ 0:30 Churn is dead. Long live Net Dollar Retention Rate with Dave Kellogg | SaaStr Software Community
Jan 10, 2021 positive
Insight
Kellogg: A Good SaaS Net Dollar Retention Rate Is Around 115%
“A good rate is around a 115%.”
Dave Kellogg Jan 10, 2021 ▶ 48:46 Churn is dead. Long live Net Dollar Retention Rate with Dave Kellogg | SaaStr Software Community
Jan 10, 2021 neutral
Assertion Supported
Kellogg: 2020 SaaS IPOs Averaged $330M ARR, 49% Growth, 120% NDR
“The average one had three hundred and thirty million in ARR, 49% revenue growth, and a 120% net dollar retention.”
Dave Kellogg Jan 10, 2021 ▶ 41:26 Churn is dead. Long live Net Dollar Retention Rate with Dave Kellogg | SaaStr Software Community
Jan 20, 2022 negative
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Stone: Over half of software companies have weak or negative NDR
“More than half of companies out there have very weak to negative net dollar retention metrics.”
Dorian Stone Jan 20, 2022 ▶ 9:23 Scaling from Consumer to SMB to Enterprise with Grammarly Head of Organizations Revenue Dorian Stone
Aug 3, 2022 neutral
Insight
Alter: High NDR with low GDR signals selective product-market fit
“What that tells an investor is that some of your customers are doing exceptionally well with your software. They're upselling in a massive way. But others are not having product market fit at all, and they're falling off. This is really good to know. It's a pr…”
Molly Alter Aug 3, 2022 ▶ 10:13 The Metrics that Matter, Whether You Are Raising $1m or $100m | Index Ventures Partner Molly Alter
Aug 3, 2022 positive
Assertion Supported
Alter: 160% NDR yields 4.2x growth over 120% NDR over five years
“And when the NDR was one 60% versus 120%, the company grew 4.2 times over a five year period.”
Molly Alter Aug 3, 2022 ▶ 11:04 The Metrics that Matter, Whether You Are Raising $1m or $100m | Index Ventures Partner Molly Alter
Oct 27, 2022 bearish
Insight
Blond: Headcount slowdowns are compressing SaaS net dollar retention
“Companies are hiring less today. And so the net dollar retention for within a customer base for a company that licenses software and their revenue is sort of directly influenced by the headcount growth or something like that of their customers, that is slowing…”
Sam Blond Oct 27, 2022 ▶ 14:25 CRO Confidential: Sales Comp, Quotas & Recruiting with Jason Lemkin and Sam Blond of Founders Fund
Aug 3, 2023
Insight
Zinman: A mature SaaS company's revenue growth rate eventually converges to its NDR
“When you reach that point NDR basically represents your growth rate. If you got a 130% NDR and 95% of your revenue is coming from existing customers, your revenue is going to be about 30%. Just the law of nature. Your new customer is going to add to that, but …”
Eran Zinman Aug 3, 2023 ▶ 49:31 The Most Important SaaS Metrics with Monday.com Co-Founders and SaaStr Founder Jason Lemkin
Sep 25, 2024 neutral
Insight
Investors demand a clear path to at least 100% net dollar retention
“A hundred percent NDR is something that investors really care for. Doesn't mean that you necessarily have to be there at the Series A, but I think there needs to be some path of getting there because people are really afraid of investing in businesses that kee…”
Christoph Janz Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 12:46 5 Metrics that Matter When Raising Your SaaS Series A and Series B with Christoph Janz of Point 9
Oct 24, 2024 neutral
Assertion Supported
Tunguz: Top-quartile SaaS net dollar retention dropped from 130% to 120%
“Top quartile used to be around a 130%. Now it's about a 120%.”
Tomasz Tunguz Oct 24, 2024 ▶ 18:51 The State of SaaS Go-to-Market l Theory Ventures General Partner Tomasz Tunguz #saas #b2bsaas
Oct 24, 2024 bullish
Assertion Partly supported
Tunguz: Hybrid seat-and-usage pricing yields 3x net dollar retention growth
“If you're using a combination pricing model, in other words, seats plus usage, three X the growth in that dollar retention as somebody who's using any other form of pricing.”
Tomasz Tunguz Oct 24, 2024 ▶ 18:57 The State of SaaS Go-to-Market l Theory Ventures General Partner Tomasz Tunguz #saas #b2bsaas
Aug 25, 2025 positive
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Awotona: Sales-led Calendly customers drove significantly higher retention and NDR
“The reason we lean into that motion is because we observe that those customers who came in through the sales process had just very, very different retention mechanism qualities. They also have very, very different NDR qualities. They expanded it a lot further.”
Tope Awotona Aug 25, 2025 ▶ 21:35 From PLG to Enterprise to SMB: Insights from Calendly's CEO Tope Awotona
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