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Kadakia: ClassPass Listed Fitness Studios Without Agreements to Prove Demand
“There were certain studios that we just put on the platform where we didn't have like full agreements with yet. Because we just wanted to test and, you know, we started sending them so much traffic that they would call us up and say, Hey, like, who are you guy…”
Payal Kadakia Jun 29, 2020 ▶ 41:46 ClassPass: Payal Kadakia
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Pat Brown: Impossible Foods Will Not Risk Its Mission by Selling to Acquirers
“The mission is to eliminate the need for animals as a food technology, and by doing so, to save the planet from an environmental catastrophe. Nobody cares as much about it as I do and my colleagues do. And I don't want to put the mission at risk by putting it …”
Pat Brown May 11, 2020 ▶ 42:23 Impossible Foods: Pat Brown
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Google licensing clash led directly to Yelp acquisition talks
“We started by licensing our content to them in a way that we thought was reasonable, and then over time, it became clear that they really wanted to compete with us directly and collect information. Reviews themselves. And so then they said to us, well, we're g…”
Jeremy Stoppelman Jun 24, 2019 ▶ 47:28 Yelp: Jeremy Stoppelman
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Steve Jobs called Stoppelman urging Yelp not to sell to Google
“You know, he said, don't sell to Google. We think you're a great company. We think what you're doing is really interesting. He didn't say, oh, well, Apple, you know, is interested in you, but he did say, is this about money? Because Apple has a lot of money, a…”
Jeremy Stoppelman Jun 24, 2019 ▶ 48:32 Yelp: Jeremy Stoppelman
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Howroyd Sent White Colleagues to Pitch Clients to Avoid Racial Bias
“I'll tell you candidly, and I'm not proud of it, there were times when I would gift my intelligence to other members of my team and have them go in and make a presentation or them make the pitch. So that the client wouldn't have to interact directly with me as…”
Janice Bryant Howroyd Dec 3, 2018 ▶ 36:37 ActOne Group: Janice Bryant Howroyd
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Zimmer proposes $500 monthly Lyft subscriptions to replace personal car ownership
“We want to offer you transportation as a service. Instead of spending 9000 dollars a year to own and operate your vehicle, we want to sell you, maybe it's a 500 dollars a month subscription plan. Similar to how you buy minutes, you'll buy a thousand miles. And…”
John Zimmer Nov 29, 2018 ▶ 9:45 Lyft's John Zimmer At The HIBT Summit
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Jon Stein: I do not want to leave my children an inheritance
“They'll probably someday accuse me of wrongdoing for saying this, but I don't want them to have an inheritance. I don't want to set them up where they don't have to work, because I think work is part of happiness.”
Jon Stein Oct 29, 2018 ▶ 45:26 Betterment: Jon Stein
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McKelvey: WeWork is a hundred-year challenge, not built to be sold
“And Adam and I, like, we, when we talked about this, we're like, this is a hundred year challenge. It's not like, hey, we're building a company so we can sell it and move on. We're doing this because we think this is the most interesting and biggest challenge …”
Miguel McKelvey Sep 3, 2018 ▶ 41:11 WeWork: Miguel McKelvey (2018)
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Madden details illegal stock flipping arrangements with Stratton Oakmont
“And I told myself that it was a gray area, you know, the trading in these stocks and the flipping, they would sell me the stocks and I would sell them back to them.”
Steve Madden Jul 16, 2018 ▶ 24:31 Steve Madden: Steve Madden
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Madden admits he knew his Stratton Oakmont trades were illegal
“But I knew in my heart that it was illegal and it was wrong.”
Steve Madden Jul 16, 2018 ▶ 24:52 Steve Madden: Steve Madden
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Barre3 intentionally paused franchising to halt growth and hold steady
“In terms of growing bigger, I'm actually not focused on growing bigger anymore with the company. We've paused franchising for now. We're just holding. We're being still”
Sadie Lincoln Sep 11, 2017 ▶ 35:05 Barre3: Sadie Lincoln
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Hyman: Rent the Runway cut ties with an investor after harassment
“I proceeded to tell everyone else on my board, as well as some key executives who were working with me at Rent the Runway at the time, and the board was unbelievably supportive, and we decided that we were not going to do business anymore with this individual …”
Jenn Hyman Aug 7, 2017 ▶ 35:22 Rent The Runway: Jenn Hyman
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Compaq stockpiled inventory instead of doing layoffs when IBM attacked
“We're going to keep building these things. We're going to store them and wait for the orders to come. If the orders never come, yeah, we're in deep trouble, but you know what? We're in deep trouble anyway if the orders don't come.”
Rod Canion May 22, 2017 ▶ 17:46 Compaq Computers: Rod Canion
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Brian Scudamore fired his entire 11-person team at $500K in revenue
“Five years in, we were about a half a million in revenue, and I realized I wasn't having fun any longer. I was avoiding spending time with my employees, and I just, I had the wrong people, and I realized that one bad apple spoils a whole bunch, and I had nine …”
Brian Scudamore Apr 17, 2017 ▶ 14:46 1-800-GOT-JUNK?: Brian Scudamore
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Founders faked a Village Voice lawsuit to justify rebranding as Vice
“We told the world that we were being sued by the Village Voice, and that's why we had to change the name to Vice.”
Suroosh Alvi Oct 10, 2016 ▶ 14:13 VICE: Suroosh Alvi
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Clark: Offered to Buy Basic Brown Bear Before Launching Build-A-Bear
“And honestly, I did go there as a customer, because it was an open tour that you could, you know, and I called them after the tour and said, I'd be open to talk to you about buying your business, and they wanted an unbelievable amount of money for their little…”
Maxine Clark Jun 15, 2026 ▶ 39:41 Build-A-Bear: Maxine Clark. A Former Shoe Executive Launches a Stuffed Animal Empire
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Lütke intentionally slowed Shopify's growth in 2009 to keep it manageable
“At this point, I intentionally slowed down the growth of the company a little bit just because I needed it to be manageable for me.”
Tobias Lütke Jun 8, 2026 ▶ 41:37 Shopify: Tobias Lütke. How a snowboarder built a $150 billion business (2019)
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Smith: UGG's board outvoted him to approve Rush Limbaugh ad campaign
“You know, we'd spent years building up this image of casual comfort and fashion and everything, and so I really fought it, but I was outvoted at a board meeting.”
Brian Smith Jun 1, 2026 ▶ 1:11:59 UGG: Brian Smith. How an epiphany, surfers, and $500 launched an iconic sheepskin footwear company.
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Huang: NVIDIA refuses to enter markets merely to take market share
“We don't want to dedicate our lives to go work on something that the worlds already have. I don't want our company working on things to capture share from somebody. They built a market. We want to take their share, and so let's go and fight to the bitter end, …”
Jensen Huang May 18, 2026 ▶ 41:40 NVIDIA: Jensen Huang. From near collapse to becoming the world’s biggest company
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Gregg Renfrew sold to private equity to remain CEO and pursue IPO
“And the reason that I chose to sell to a financial sponsor versus a strategic, because I had been Approached by a strategic two years prior, which is why... I felt like I wanted to be that next generation leader in beauty, and I wanted to take the company publ…”
Gregg Renfrew May 4, 2026 ▶ 48:42 Beautycounter: Gregg Renfrew. She Built Beautycounter to $1B… Then Got Fired From Her Own Company
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Bank of America unexpectedly offered to sell Beautycounter back to Gregg Renfrew
“The debt on the business was syndicated. Led by Bank of America and G.P. Morgan Chase, and I can't remember the other banks that were involved because I didn't interact with them, but in a crazy act of, I would almost say of kindness, Bank of America approache…”
Gregg Renfrew May 4, 2026 ▶ 1:03:28 Beautycounter: Gregg Renfrew. She Built Beautycounter to $1B… Then Got Fired From Her Own Company
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Steve Ells shut down both Kernel restaurants after less than a year
“So we closed down the two Kernel restaurants after less than a year spent a couple of months you know, retooling, and opened counter service”
Steve Ells Apr 9, 2026 ▶ 2:10 Advice Line with Steve Ells of Chipotle
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Swad felt like a hypocrite scaling Wingstop because he was a vegetarian
“Keep in mind at this time, you know, I was feeling more and more like a hypocrite growing this company that sold nothing but chicken, not eating chicken myself, and knowing what the industry was like.”
Antonio Swad Apr 6, 2026 ▶ 47:35 Wingstop: Antonio Swad. A Brilliant Idea — And a Nail-Biting Exit
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Angie's BOOMCHICKAPOP financed the business with debt until $10 million revenue
“I mean, we financed everything on our own up until ten million. I mean, we had loans and we had a lot of debt and we went, you know, really, I think around the one million mark is when we went to a bank and got financing to build out our plant.”
Dan Bastian Apr 2, 2026 ▶ 16:10 Advice Line with Angie & Dan Bastian of Angie's BOOMCHICKAPOP
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Krause: Scrub Daddy will only sell to major CPG or IPO
“Selling this to, like, XYZ private equity firm doesn't tick it for me, and I have no interest in that. This needs to go to the right home at some point, and that needs to be one of the largest companies in the world in the CPG space. That needs to be a Procter…”
Aaron Krause Mar 16, 2026 ▶ 1:21:10 Scrub Daddy: Aaron Krause. How a Failed Experiment Became a Billion-Dollar Sponge
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Osher: Offered $10M to buy back Spinbrush; P&G leveraged for $75M
“I said, I would, but I'm not willing to pay much money. I'll give you ten million dollars for the whole thing, but I'll close next week. You know, everything else was, they were always waiting six months, you know, and then there would be due diligence. I said…”
John Osher Feb 16, 2026 ▶ 55:00 Spinbrush: John Osher. The Electric Toothbrush That Sold for $475M
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Hastings: Netflix uses -10 to +10 executive polls for major decisions
“So the thing we instituted on big decisions Is everybody publicly weighing in, you know, on a 10 to -10? Is this a wise decision? So that would affect, like, going into Europe, going into original content, pricing changes, so that everyone knows where everyone…”
Reed Hastings Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 1:05:12 Netflix: Reed Hastings. “We’re Not a Family.” The Provocative Idea That Helped Build a Streaming Giant
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Cuban: Cost Plus Drugs is working to expand into medical services
“And we're changing an industry and we won't stop just with pharmaceuticals. We'll, we're working to get into the medical side as well.”
Mark Cuban Jan 29, 2026 ▶ 5:53 Advice Line with Serial Entrepreneur Mark Cuban
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Graves: Early Cane's Scaled on 15% Subordinated Debt to Protect Equity
“So what I had was angel investors that I would do a 15% interest rate, subordinated debt. Okay. It was a one pager and I personally endorse these. I mean, if I personally signed onto it, so they knew anything I had in the world, which is all just tied up the b…”
Todd Graves Dec 25, 2025 ▶ 29:26 Advice Line with Todd Graves of Raising Cane's
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Brick-and-mortar stores represent 60% of Exploding Kittens' total sales
“Brick and mortar is still about 60% of our business.”
Elan Lee Dec 22, 2025 ▶ 1:16:52 Exploding Kittens: Elan Lee. How cat-themed Russian Roulette changed game night forever
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81 Collection Backed a Pet Cremation Business With 80% EBITDA Margins
“We just recently did an investment in pet cremation, and we were blown away. 80% EBITDA margins.”
Vijen Patel Oct 6, 2025 ▶ 1:03:36 Pressbox and Tide Cleaners: Vijen Patel. The $1.99 Gamble That Built a National Brand
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Newmark rejected Microsoft banner ads because he did not need the money
“There were folks from Microsoft Microsoft sidewalk who wanted to put up banner ads, but I'm thinking banner ads are usually stupid. I don't need the money. I'm doing well enough. So I said no banner ads”
Craig Newmark Sep 29, 2025 ▶ 24:57 Craigslist: Craig Newmark — The Forrest Gump of the Internet
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Vultaggio refuses to sell AriZona Beverage Company to private equity
“I'm not for sale.”
Don Vultaggio Sep 1, 2025 ▶ 55:45 Don Vultaggio: AriZona Beverage Company - The Snap Decision That Outsmarted Snapple
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Chestnut: Mailchimp rejected venture capital due to uniform scare-tactic pitches
“You know, for the first two, I started to think about it, because I really believed their pitches, and then by the 10th one, I realized they were all saying the same thing, they were all using the same playbook and it was always a scare tactic, like, if you do…”
Ben Chestnut Aug 25, 2025 ▶ 37:34 (July 2021) Ben Chestnut: From Side Business to $12 Billion – The Accidental Triumph of Mailchimp
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Mailchimp rejected venture investors because internal cash flow was sufficient
“We were totally self-funded. Investors still came, and, you know, they would say, you know, take our money, and we'd say, we can't, we don't know why we would need it. We, we're making plenty.”
Ben Chestnut Aug 25, 2025 ▶ 47:58 (July 2021) Ben Chestnut: From Side Business to $12 Billion – The Accidental Triumph of Mailchimp
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Chestnut: Mailchimp has had acquisition offers, keeps an open mind on selling
“I've had offers. The thing is, I love what I do, and I don't know, I, it's one of those things I, you know, you never, you learn over time, after 20 years of running a business, you learn, never say never, right? I think I have an open mind about it, but I can…”
Ben Chestnut Aug 25, 2025 ▶ 1:14:49 (July 2021) Ben Chestnut: From Side Business to $12 Billion – The Accidental Triumph of Mailchimp
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Crumbl closes all locations on Sundays to prioritize employee family time
“We want to be able to give bakers time off. We want them to be able to spend time with their friends and families. And this is just core to who we are. It's spending time with family. And if people want to worship on Sundays or they want to do other things on …”
Jason McGowan Aug 11, 2025 ▶ 37:49 Crumbl: Jason McGowan
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Ulukaya offered his factory as collateral to secure supermarket shelf space
“I personally said, if it doesn't sell, I will give you the factory.”
Hamdi Ulukaya Jul 14, 2025 ▶ 58:41 Chobani: Hamdi Ulukaya (2022)
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VCs passed on Figma's Series B over InVision competitive concerns
“There were certain VCs that, you know, they take the meeting, but then they go at the end of the meeting, you know, look. Very impressed with what you've done, and, ah, great job, but I just cannot reconcile this with the work Envision's doing. Like, I, I'm so…”
Dylan Field Jun 16, 2025 ▶ 56:02 Figma: Dylan Field
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Goba Sports Group refuses to abandon Chinese manufacturing despite US tariffs
“Look, I'm, you know, we've invested so heavily and their family, like, I'm not running away from China. It's not that easy. We've done too much.”
Steve Holmes May 29, 2025 ▶ 5:07 Advice Line with Steve Holmes of goba Sports Group
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Branson: Virgin Is Looking at Challenging Eurostar Through Channel Tunnel
“So, you know, for instance, we're just looking at maybe taking on Eurostar through the channel tunnel.”
Richard Branson May 8, 2025 ▶ 5:56 Advice Line with Richard Branson of Virgin
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Zennström: Kazaa Survived Early On Through Controversial User-Tracking Ads
“Well, our business model was advertisement so we put in ads, we had banners, you know in, in Casa, in the software, and it was something, and that was something that was, like, controversial at the time, you know, because a lot, some of those things were also …”
Niklas Zennström Mar 17, 2025 ▶ 21:01 Skype and Kazaa: Niklas Zennström
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Rubin plans to remain CEO of Fanatics until he dies
“Till I die.”
Michael Rubin Jan 27, 2025 ▶ 48:53 Fanatics: Michael Rubin
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Lore killed $30M in revenue and 450 trucks to pivot Wonder
“Telling the board 450 trucks on the road and thirty million in revenue. We're going to take that to zero. We're selling the trucks. We'll take revenue to zero.”
Marc Lore Dec 26, 2024 ▶ 6:13 Advice Line with Serial Entrepreneur Marc Lore
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Bark Walked Away From an Active 2018 Fundraise to Sustain Itself
“We, I definitely freaked out my board and our investors but walked away from the fundraising round and said, forget it.”
Matt Meeker Nov 4, 2024 ▶ 45:09 BARK: Matt Meeker
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Guy Raz: How I Built This rarely books founders under 30
“This is why we very rarely have guests on the show who are under 30, because not, not that they're not smart or interesting, even if they made hundreds of millions of dollars, it's just, You can't buy time. You can't buy, like, life experience, and so we often…”
Guy Raz Oct 31, 2024 ▶ 45:30 Advice Line with Angie Hicks of Angi
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Mason: Pursuing an IPO was part of the board agreement to reject buyouts
“That was basically part of the agreement with the board.”
Andrew Mason Sep 9, 2024 ▶ 40:00 Groupon and Descript: Andrew Mason
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Mason: Refused voluntary resignation, forcing Groupon board to fire him
“I mentioned earlier that we didn't have the same vision on, on where to take the business, so I wasn't super into that idea. And I was like, you can do that, but you'll have to fire me.”
Andrew Mason Sep 9, 2024 ▶ 49:24 Groupon and Descript: Andrew Mason
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