Steve Ells

Founder and Chief Concept Officer, Counter Service · 3 appearances on the record.

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Steve Ells is best known as the founder, former CEO, and former Executive Chairman of Chipotle Mexican Grill, where he pioneered the fast-casual category. After departing Chipotle, he launched the restaurant venture Kernel Foods, which later rebranded as the artisanal sandwich concept Counter Service.

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2 predictions · 15 assertions · 1 opinion · 5 insights · 12 disclosures · 1 what if · every statement was checked. The predictions and assertions are the 17 claims: statements the public record can support or contradict. 8 are resolved, 1 is not yet assessed, and 8 name no date, number or outcome precise enough to check. Everything else (opinions, insights, what ifs, disclosures) can never be settled by the record, so it carries no assessment.

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Their most notable supported claim

Assertion Supported
Ells: 52 people contracted E. coli during the 2015 Chipotle outbreak
“Over, over a one month period from basically mid October to mid November 52 people got sick with E. Coli.”
Steve Ells Oct 30, 2017 ▶ 37:40 Chipotle: Steve Ells

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Everything Steve Ells said on How I Built This that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Prediction Not checkable as stated
Steve Ells: Robots will not displace restaurant cooking anytime soon
“And so the, your question, will robots displace that? I mean, maybe someday, but certainly not Not anywhere in the near future.”
Steve Ells Apr 9, 2026 ▶ 4:56 Advice Line with Steve Ells of Chipotle
Disclosure
Ells: Kernel needs only three peak-period workers versus twelve at typical restaurants
“And so where a typical fast casual restaurant might have, you know, a dozen folks at peak period Colonel would have three.”
Steve Ells Nov 9, 2023 ▶ 17:25 When a robot cooks your lunch with Steve Ells of Chipotle and Kernel
Insight
Ells: Restaurant models reliant on large, high-turnover staffs are unsustainable
“I know for sure that continuing to operate these systems that's heavy, heavy, heavy on, on numbers of employees who turn over very frequently is not sustainable.”
Steve Ells Nov 9, 2023 ▶ 34:35 When a robot cooks your lunch with Steve Ells of Chipotle and Kernel
Disclosure
Steve Ells shut down both Kernel restaurants after less than a year
“So we closed down the two Kernel restaurants after less than a year spent a couple of months you know, retooling, and opened counter service”
Steve Ells Apr 9, 2026 ▶ 2:10 Advice Line with Steve Ells of Chipotle
Disclosure
Steve Ells: Kernel will offer restaurant workers stock options and full benefits
“And since we only have three people we'll be able to afford those higher wages. Plus I think our Purpose is bigger than our product. Being able to address global warming, being able to address some of the inequality with pay for folks in, in, in the world of f…”
Steve Ells Nov 9, 2023 ▶ 31:08 When a robot cooks your lunch with Steve Ells of Chipotle and Kernel
Insight
Ells: Fast food wages stay low because restaurant margins cannot afford raises
“I think you see depressed wages because margins are so tight, right? It's, and I think these operators would love to pay their folks more, but the model just can't afford to do it.”
Steve Ells Nov 9, 2023 ▶ 33:19 When a robot cooks your lunch with Steve Ells of Chipotle and Kernel
Insight
Ells: Fast-casual hospitality does not require face-to-face interaction
“While hospitality may not be face to face, With the customers, it's providing a really good experience through the app. It's providing reliability on service times. It's making sure that everything that we serve is delicious.”
Steve Ells Nov 9, 2023 ▶ 38:23 When a robot cooks your lunch with Steve Ells of Chipotle and Kernel
Insight
Ells: Cheap strip mall leases and assembly lines drove unprecedented ROI
“With Chipotle, we were going into strip malls. Often in the inexpensive center units, not the more desirable end caps. This was early on. So the investment was very, very modest. And our production system or that our service format really was an assembly line.…”
Steve Ells Oct 30, 2017 ▶ 28:03 Chipotle: Steve Ells
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Ells: Chipotle sold more carnitas after raising prices to use premium pork
“So, you know, I remember when I put Naiman ranch pork on the menu, I had to increase the price of the carnitas burrito, and I think it increased by about a dollar or something. And so in the world of fast food, that was just not understood. I mean, gotta remem…”
Steve Ells Oct 30, 2017 ▶ 32:38 Chipotle: Steve Ells
Assertion Supported
Ells: 52 people contracted E. coli during the 2015 Chipotle outbreak
“Over, over a one month period from basically mid October to mid November 52 people got sick with E. Coli.”
Steve Ells Oct 30, 2017 ▶ 37:40 Chipotle: Steve Ells
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Steve Ells: Chipotle succeeded by ignoring industry demands for broader menus
“In the early days of Chipotle, when I presented the offerings, people said, well, Steve, you just, you're not offering enough to people. They want more variety. And I said, no, no, no, people can make all different kinds of combinations of the base ingredients…”
Steve Ells Apr 9, 2026 ▶ 12:17 Advice Line with Steve Ells of Chipotle
What-if
Steve Ells believes Chipotle might have grown larger with better work-life balance
“Maybe it could have been even bigger had I been more balanced.”
Steve Ells Apr 9, 2026 ▶ 40:29 Advice Line with Steve Ells of Chipotle
Assertion Supported
Ells: 25 to 30% of Greenhouse Emissions Come From Food
“And I come to understand that, you know, 25 or 30% or so of the greenhouse gases that we emit come from what we eat, and the vast majority of that comes from animal sources.”
Steve Ells Nov 9, 2023 ▶ 7:17 When a robot cooks your lunch with Steve Ells of Chipotle and Kernel
Disclosure
Ells: Founder of plant-based chain Kernel still eats meat and fish
“So Guy, I'm not I don't adhere to a plant-based diet. I still eat meat. I still eat fish. But I've noticed over the years I eat less and less meat.”
Steve Ells Nov 9, 2023 ▶ 11:39 When a robot cooks your lunch with Steve Ells of Chipotle and Kernel
Disclosure
Ells: Kernel will centralize food prep and deliver hourly via bicycle
“So we do all of our preparation, all of the food prep in a central kitchen, and that will service a couple of handfuls of restaurants within a, Five to 10 minute bicycle ride. And we'll put this prepped food into totes and load the totes onto a wagon and pull …”
Steve Ells Nov 9, 2023 ▶ 16:04 When a robot cooks your lunch with Steve Ells of Chipotle and Kernel
Disclosure
Ells: Kernel operates out of 800 square feet with lower build-out costs
“We can operate out of 800 square feet, where a typical fast casual might be 2500 square feet, and our build-out cost is a lot less.”
Steve Ells Nov 9, 2023 ▶ 19:15 When a robot cooks your lunch with Steve Ells of Chipotle and Kernel
Disclosure
Ells: Kernel requires no grease hoods, fire suppression, or gas lines
“A typical fast casual restaurant will have a grease hood, fire suppression systems, gas lines, grease traps, you know, all of these sort of infrastructure pieces. We don't need any of that.”
Steve Ells Nov 9, 2023 ▶ 19:26 When a robot cooks your lunch with Steve Ells of Chipotle and Kernel
Disclosure
Steve Ells: Kernel raised $36M Series A to open 15 restaurants
“I just completed my series a round and raised thirty six million. And so, so, you know, that'll take us through the next couple of years and that will be a lot to open up 15 restaurants.”
Steve Ells Nov 9, 2023 ▶ 26:40 When a robot cooks your lunch with Steve Ells of Chipotle and Kernel
Assertion Supported
Steve Ells: Fast-food industry turnover is typically around 165%
“One of the problems is that we see extraordinarily high turnover in the industry. I think it's something like a 165% is, is typical.”
Steve Ells Nov 9, 2023 ▶ 30:05 When a robot cooks your lunch with Steve Ells of Chipotle and Kernel
Prediction Open · timeframe Nov 2033
Ells: Kernel will rely on human teams for at least the next decade
“There will always be a place, you know, for our teams to operate the kernel model for the foreseeable future, and I'm talking about the next decade at least, right?”
Steve Ells Nov 9, 2023 ▶ 32:46 When a robot cooks your lunch with Steve Ells of Chipotle and Kernel
Assertion Partly supported
Ells: McDonald's invested around $360 million in Chipotle over seven years
“Over a seven-year period, I think they put in three hundred and sixty million dollars or so, but the majority of that was in the last couple of years.”
Steve Ells Oct 30, 2017 ▶ 29:56 Chipotle: Steve Ells
Disclosure
Ells: We refused McDonald's franchisees because our unit economics were too good
“Well, so McDonald's has a very strong franchise system, and their franchisees obviously wanted, wanted a part of Chipotle. And, you know, certainly they would have been capable of operating Chipotle. There are a lot of good operators in the McDonald's system. …”
Steve Ells Oct 30, 2017 ▶ 33:27 Chipotle: Steve Ells
Disclosure
Ells: We blanch avocados and peppers in boiling water for five seconds
“And so what we do with this avocado now is after we wash it, we plunge it into boiling water for five seconds. This is called blanching. And it's not long enough to cook the avocado. But just long enough to bring the temperature of the skin and the area under …”
Steve Ells Oct 30, 2017 ▶ 39:45 Chipotle: Steve Ells
Assertion Supported
Steve Ells: Chipotle served over one million customers daily upon his retirement
“By the time I retired, 27 years later, I think we had well over a million customers a day.”
Steve Ells Apr 9, 2026 ▶ 33:22 Advice Line with Steve Ells of Chipotle

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Statements about Steve Ells, by other people (1)

Opinion
Meyer: Chipotle was the first national chain to offer real gastronomy
“Well, Chipotle, I think Steve and Chipotle really deserve an enormous amount of credit for really being the first national chain to break the barrier that fast food could not be It's gastronomic. There's real cooking that takes place in real time”
Danny Meyer Jun 15, 2020 ▶ 41:10 Shake Shack: Danny Meyer

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Appearances (3)

EpisodeDateSpeaking time
Advice Line with Steve Ells of Chipotle Apr 9, 2026 12m
When a robot cooks your lunch with Steve Ells of Chipotle and Kernel Nov 9, 2023 24m
Chipotle: Steve Ells Oct 30, 2017 29m
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