natural gas

43 statements across 24 episodes · 8 bullish · 14 bearish · 21 people on the record · first statement Dec 9, 2021 by Shayle Kann · across every show →

Everything said about natural gas, oldest first

Dec 9, 2021 neutral
Assertion Supported
Kann: Berkeley was the first US city to ban gas hookups
“There are natural gas bans for new construction. I live in Berkeley, California. We have one here. I think we were the first city in the country to have one.”
Shayle Kann Dec 9, 2021 ▶ 11:33 The future of natural gas
Dec 9, 2021 neutral
Assertion Supported
Kann: US Natural Gas Use Is Split Between Power, Industry, and Buildings
“In the US, for example, as of twenty-twenty, we used 38% of our natural gas in the power sector, 33% directly in the industrial sector, 25% in buildings, mostly for heating.”
Shayle Kann Dec 9, 2021 ▶ 2:27 The future of natural gas
Dec 9, 2021 positive
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Lubershain: Building heat will see the longest tail of natural gas use
“Where I'm pretty confident we'll, we'll see the longest tail of natural gas for the foreseeable future is in all of the end uses that are currently served by natural gas at the distribution level. So again, That's predominantly building heating. Interestingly …”
Andy Lubershane Dec 9, 2021 ▶ 43:18 The future of natural gas
Dec 9, 2021 bearish
Assertion Supported
Lubershain: Biomass gasification for RNG costs 5x to 10x fossil gas
“Now, even, even that pathway can't scale to fully supply or even really nearly fully supply or replace the methane that we're using today, but it could take a more significant chunk out of it. It's generally at least today, a far more expensive pathway. You kn…”
Andy Lubershane Dec 9, 2021 ▶ 29:37 The future of natural gas
Dec 9, 2021 bearish
Assertion Supported
Lubershain: Landfill and livestock RNG cannot scale to meet gas demand
“The problem with all those sources of RNG landfills and cows and pigs is that they just don't scale to serve anywhere near the, Full amount of natural gas demand that we have today.”
Andy Lubershane Dec 9, 2021 ▶ 28:23 The future of natural gas
Dec 9, 2021 neutral
Assertion Supported
Lubershain: EDF Studies Find 2.5% Natural Gas Leak Rate Across Supply Chain
“If you look at the most kind of credible, well-respected widely accepted recent studies of the leak rate, the amount of natural gas that is escaping to the atmosphere, all the way from the wellhead where gas is extracted, all the way to the end use It ends up …”
Andy Lubershane Dec 9, 2021 ▶ 7:35 The future of natural gas
Dec 9, 2021 negative
Assertion Contradicted
Lubershain: Home Gas Appliances With Upstream Leaks Are Worse Than Coal
“If you are to burn natural gas in in an appliance in a home, for example, like a home boiler or in, in, in an oven And you take that two and a half percent leak rate upstream as a given, then it's actually even a little bit worse in the next 20 years from a gl…”
Andy Lubershane Dec 9, 2021 ▶ 8:24 The future of natural gas
Dec 9, 2021
Insight
Lubershain: Full electrification cannot eliminate natural gas within 10 to 30 years
“Natural gas is used in just so many end uses for energy today and it's used in some of the end uses that end up being the hardest to decarbonize on any kind of, You know, 10, 20, even 30 year time frame purely through the prospect of decarbonizing the power su…”
Andy Lubershane Dec 9, 2021 ▶ 5:08 The future of natural gas
Dec 9, 2021 neutral
Insight
Lubershain: Electrifying natural gas demand gets exponentially harder near 100%
“What you find in almost every use case, and I would say in particular Again, in the distributed use cases like building heating is that, you know, maybe the first, you know, the first 50% of gas demand that you soak up with electrification is relatively easy. …”
Andy Lubershane Dec 9, 2021 ▶ 39:43 The future of natural gas
Dec 9, 2021 neutral
Opinion
Lubershain: Too early to treat total natural gas elimination as only pathway
“While I think it's possible that the purest viewpoint, the climate hipster viewpoint ends up being the right one in, in the very long run, it's possible we do move towards a zero fossil fuels, zero natural gas as a portion of primary energy supply. I think it'…”
Andy Lubershane Dec 9, 2021 ▶ 5:51 The future of natural gas
Dec 9, 2021 positive
Insight
Lubershain: Aggressive Upstream Methane Abatement Is a Low-Cost, No-Regrets Necessity
“So the absolute first thing you have to do, which is basically a no regrets option because it's actually ends up being relatively low cost is. Become a methane emissions hawk and go after those upstream emissions as aggressively as humanly possible.”
Andy Lubershane Dec 9, 2021 ▶ 21:16 The future of natural gas
Mar 3, 2022 neutral
Assertion Partly supported
Rivest: Natural gas and fuel oil remain cheaper than heat pumps across most of the US
“It's much cheaper today in, in most parts of the U.S. To use natural gas or fuel oil to create the heat that you need if what you're looking for is heating.”
Jesse Rivest Mar 3, 2022 ▶ 19:43 Unlocking hyper-efficient cooling
Mar 31, 2022 neutral
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Jenkins: Reducing gas usage could decouple European power and gas prices
“I do think longer term, you're right, it would, could split that link if, you know, if basically natural gas plays a very small role in, in Europe's energy mix in another five years that'll help drive a wedge between the prices in the power sector and the gas …”
Jesse Jenkins Mar 31, 2022 ▶ 47:25 Can Europe quit Russian fossil fuel by next winter?
Apr 7, 2022 negative
Assertion Supported
Bataille: Permian methane leak rates make natural gas as dirty as coal
“In places like the Permian where, you know, the number is seven percent, then eight percent, then nine percent, those are tragically high fugitive, fugitive, fugitive levels. You might as well be doing coal.”
Dr. Chris Bataille Apr 7, 2022 ▶ 29:37 Carbon capture and storage is making a comeback
Sep 15, 2022 bearish
Opinion
Webber: Oil and gas conflicts risk being replaced by water wars
“But I worry that we're going to replace oil resource wars, or what we're seeing today, natural gas resource wars, with water resource wars. There have been water wars in the past. I'm worried that we'll have more water wars. That, that's something I really am …”
Dr. Michael Webber Sep 15, 2022 ▶ 37:07 Averting water wars as we decarbonize
Sep 22, 2022
Insight
Yergin: Current energy crisis involves oil, natural gas, and coal simultaneously
“Well, it is a very big disruption in the energy markets, and in a sense, it's global, or maybe you can even say all-encompassing, because it involves not only oil as previous crises, but natural gas and coal.”
Dr. Daniel Yergin Sep 22, 2022 ▶ 6:31 Columbia Energy Exchange: Will Putin’s Energy Strategy Backfire?
Sep 22, 2022
Assertion Supported
Yergin: European natural gas peaked near the energy equivalent of $600/barrel
“We saw natural gas, at least for a point, trading at close to the energy equivalent of 600 dollars a barrel.”
Dr. Daniel Yergin Sep 22, 2022 ▶ 14:13 Columbia Energy Exchange: Will Putin’s Energy Strategy Backfire?
Oct 20, 2022 negative
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Fleece: Relaxing hydrogen correlation rules will increase gas burning and insecurity
“In fact, if you have super relaxed rules, which you would base purely on renewable energy credits, or maybe guarantees of origin with no form of additionality whatsoever, you would actually Increase energy insecurity, because you'd be burning more gas than if …”
Gnevamir Fleece Oct 20, 2022 ▶ 17:08 What’s holding up hydrogen in Europe?
Dec 8, 2022 bearish
Assertion Supported
O'Donnell: Biogas trades at about a 4x price premium to natural gas
“There's a very limited supply of biogas. It's being aggressively taken up and it sort of typically trades at a, about a four times price premium to natural gas.”
John O'Donnell Dec 8, 2022 ▶ 15:02 Solving the conundrum of industrial heat
Jan 12, 2023
Assertion Supported
European gas prices plunged to near $1 per MMBtu in 2020
“We have seen prices in Europe at, you know, almost one dollars per mmbtu, which is not something that we have ever seen. I mean, Prices in Europe over, you know, the past few years had been around six to eight dollars per MBTU.”
Anne-Sophie Corbeau Jan 12, 2023 ▶ 4:12 Natural gas whiplash
Jan 12, 2023
Assertion Supported
European natural gas spot prices fell 80 percent after August 2022 peak
“Prices on the EU benchmark index peaked in August last year, August, 2020 and the spot market above 340 euros per megawatt hour. But over the ensuing five months, it's been basically down, down, down, such that prices today are less than a fifth what they were…”
Shayle Kann Jan 12, 2023 ▶ 2:07 Natural gas whiplash
Jan 12, 2023 neutral
Assertion Supported
European gas prices reached a $580 per barrel oil equivalent in 2022
“Prices went to 100 dollars per MMBTU. So with all due respect to my old friends, we in the gas market have reached 580 dollars per barrel.”
Anne-Sophie Corbeau Jan 12, 2023 ▶ 24:52 Natural gas whiplash
Jan 12, 2023 negative
Assertion Not checkable as stated
The EU did not voluntarily cut Russian gas; Putin cut supplies
“The European Commission is always very prompt at saying, uh-oh, We have been very successful at reducing our imports of Russian gas. I mean, look, you know, they have been really down. And I'm saying, well, I am very sorry, but actually you have not Mr. Putin …”
Anne-Sophie Corbeau Jan 12, 2023 ▶ 23:06 Natural gas whiplash
Feb 9, 2023 bullish
Assertion Supported
Kann: Clean hydrogen is 75% to over 90% better for climate than natural gas
“It is, however much, much, much, much better From a climate perspective than just burning natural gas, for example. I think one study said something like 75% better in a In a negative case, and if it's truly low emissions, embodied hydrogen plus low leakage ra…”
Shayle Kann Feb 9, 2023 ▶ 31:17 What hydrogen leakage means for the climate
Feb 9, 2023 neutral
Assertion Supported
Koch-Blank: Methane leakage has 5x the 20-year warming impact of hydrogen per megajoule
“For natural gas, it goes from 25 to 80, roughly, from a, when you compare a hundred to 25. And for hydrogen, it goes from 10 to 40, so it increases substantially, but it's still half of the global warming impact, global warming potential of Natural gas per kil…”
Thomas Koch-Blank Feb 9, 2023 ▶ 13:36 What hydrogen leakage means for the climate
Apr 20, 2023 positive
Assertion Supported
Schneider: Global operating hydropower capacity is roughly 1.3 terawatts
“Today we have about 1.3 terawatts of installed operating hydropower. And that represents about the it's the majority of renewable energy produced in the world today. It's the third largest source of electricity after natural gas and coal.”
Gia Schneider Apr 20, 2023 ▶ 4:44 How to build more hydropower
May 11, 2023 negative
Assertion Supported
WattTime finds 85% of Bitcoin mining load is powered by fossil fuels
“And so Watt Time, that is the general methodology that they use. They found that 85% of incremental load from Bitcoin mining comes from coal and natural gas plants.”
Ben Hertz-Shargel May 11, 2023 ▶ 20:01 The great Bitcoin energy debate
Jul 13, 2023 bearish
Assertion Supported
Corbeau: IEA estimates e-methane production costs at roughly $80 per MMBtu
“I mean you know, the cost of producing the e-methane would be, I mean, the estimates from the IA right now is something around 80 dollars per mmbtu, which is about 10 times, you know, the normal price of natural gas.”
Anne-Sophie Corbeau Jul 13, 2023 ▶ 17:39 The early days of transoceanic hydrogen transport
Jul 13, 2023 negative
Assertion Supported
Corbeau: Hydrogen liquefaction consumes ~30% of energy content versus 5-10% for LNG
“Typically right now it's about, you know, 30% of the energy which is in hydrogen will be, you know, used in order to basically liquefy the hydrogen. Typically for natural gas it's between five to 10%.”
Anne-Sophie Corbeau Jul 13, 2023 ▶ 13:05 The early days of transoceanic hydrogen transport
Oct 26, 2023 neutral
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Hade: Economic 24/7 commercial resilience currently requires fossil generation
“I think if you think about an economically viable way to provide commercial and industrial facilities with the type of resilience that most of them are looking for, you're using fossil gas or natural gas or freedom gas plus solar and storage or diesel or propa…”
Tim Hade Oct 26, 2023 ▶ 29:46 The market for microgrids
Jun 6, 2024 bullish
Opinion
Baglino: A 30% heat pump efficiency boost beats cheap gas on TCO
“There's some folks out there that are saying they can get another 30% Improvement in heat pump efficiency, which now you're really talking about being competitive on a total cost of ownership against natural gas, even in places where natural gas is the most in…”
Drew Baglino Jun 6, 2024 ▶ 13:49 Drew Baglino on Tesla’s Master Plan
Aug 23, 2024 bullish
Prediction Held up
Johnson: Geologic hydrogen extraction costs should match natural gas extraction
“If you can find hydrogen under the ground, the reality is you should be able to produce it from a volumetric standpoint at a similar cost that we produce natural gas out of the ground.”
Pete Johnson Aug 23, 2024 ▶ 15:35 Hunting for geologic hydrogen
Aug 29, 2024 negative
Assertion Supported
Bredariol: 2023 global gas flaring exceeded Norway's total annual natural gas production
“So we have about a hundred and fifty billion cubic meters of natural gas being flared last year. These are the latest data from the World Bank. And if you want a comparison point, Norway's natural gas production was about a 120 billion cubic meters. So we flar…”
Tomas de Oliveira Bredariol Aug 29, 2024 ▶ 8:41 Why are we still flaring gas?
Dec 5, 2024
Assertion Supported
Kann: US natural gas power generation grew from 17% to 40% (2000-2020).
“But in the year 2000, natural gas made up about 17% of power generation. Here in the US. By 2020, it was 40%.”
Shayle Kann Dec 5, 2024 ▶ 2:37 Explaining the 'Watt-Bit Spread'
Feb 13, 2025 neutral
Assertion Supported
Kann: xAI Partially Powers Its Memphis Data Center with On-Site Natural Gas
“This, for example, is how XAI is partially powering its rapidly built data center in Memphis, but lots more similar announcements with new natural gas have arrived.”
Shayle Kann Feb 13, 2025 ▶ 3:51 The case for colocating data centers and generation
Apr 17, 2025 bearish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Friedmann: Europe will not deploy much gas-with-CCS due to fuel costs
“I will reiterate that this number, 70 to a hundred dollar megawatts, requires low cost natural gas. So Europe is not going to be doing a lot of this, right?”
Julio Friedmann Apr 17, 2025 ▶ 27:04 Serving data center load with carbon capture
Apr 17, 2025 positive
Assertion Supported
Friedmann: New gas with full CCS costs $70–$100/MWh in the US
“In the U.S., assuming three dollars per million BTU for natural gas, on a new build, All costs. That means cost of capture, compression, transportation, storage, and permitting. You're looking at 70 to a hundred dollars a megawatt hour.”
Julio Friedmann Apr 17, 2025 ▶ 14:52 Serving data center load with carbon capture
Apr 17, 2025 neutral
Assertion Supported
Khan: Data centers are driving planned natural gas build-out globally
“Anyway, we have talked before a little bit about the build-out of natural gas that is planned in the United States and a bunch of other countries that is being driven by data centers.”
Shayle Kann Apr 17, 2025 ▶ 2:28 Serving data center load with carbon capture
Apr 17, 2025
Insight
Friedmann: Gas CCS is most expensive per ton, cheapest per MWh
“If you think about it in terms of dollars per ton, natural gas is the most expensive. If you think about it in terms of dollars per megawatt hour, it's actually the least in the power sector.”
Julio Friedmann Apr 17, 2025 ▶ 9:31 Serving data center load with carbon capture
Apr 23, 2025 neutral
Assertion Supported
Waters: Natural gas turbines ordered today have lead times until 2030
“You know, turbines today for natural gas, you know, if you place an order today, it's, you're not going to see that until, let's say, twenty-thirty.”
Jeff Waters Apr 23, 2025 ▶ 5:43 What’s next for the battery storage boom? [partner content]
Sep 4, 2025 negative
Disclosure
Pierpoint: Converting to all-electric HVAC doubled home utility costs over gas
“I definitely converted to all electric HVAC in my house, and now I pay almost twice as much as what we paid before on a gas-based system.”
Lara Pierpoint Sep 4, 2025 ▶ 15:49 AMA: Geoengineering, nuclear, power prices, and more
Sep 12, 2025 neutral
Assertion Supported
Meta's new Louisiana data center project will build natural gas generation
“There's a big meta project in Louisiana that's going to build a bunch of new natural gas.”
Shayle Kann Sep 12, 2025 ▶ 3:24 When to colocate data centers with generation
Oct 21, 2025 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Sridhar: AI revolution cannot be powered without natural gas
“And without natural gas, we are not going to be able to power the AI revolution. That's a fact.”
K.R. Sridhar Oct 21, 2025 ▶ 19:59 Frontier Forum: The new power map for AI infrastructure
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