LLM Providers
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Whitmore: Synthesizing diffs across diverse LLM providers beats single-provider swarms
“What we found was that
At the time, at least there were strengths to using models from different model providers as the base level of this process.
like basically you could get almost like a synergistic output that was better than having like a very unified…”
Olivia Moore: Less than 10% of ChatGPT users tried rival LLMs in 2025
“For most of the year, less than 10% of ChatGPT users even visited another one of the big LLM providers.”
Huber: Consumer focus leaves LLM labs unmotivated to help developers
“Increasingly is the market to be a good LLM provider, the main market seems to be consumer. You're just not that motivated to, like, help developers.”
Mignot: Early-stage investors should ignore poor gross margins
“Beware of gross margin in the early days. That's a mistake we made a couple of times. You know, you have a lot of businesses that in the early days have really bad gross margin. All the LLM providers were very clear examples of that. I think if that's the only…”
Mignot: LLM investments will yield lower venture multiples but huge absolute returns
“The pure venture multiple will likely be lower than some of the other categories in the past. I think that is clear. The difference is that the size of the outcome and the speed of Very importantly, the speed at which the size is gonna get reached means that y…”
Kant: LLM providers are in a drunken bar fight over model pricing
“I often refer to it as a drunken bar fight that's happening in our industry, is that we are, you know, all these companies are massively incentivized to drop the cost of their models as quickly as possible.”
Luan: There will be only five to seven max-scale LLM providers long-term
“I do think there will not be that many LLM players. I think that there will probably be, my guess is somewhere between five to seven long-term steady state LLM providers at maximum scale, just because of the costs involved.”
Brady: Multi-model fallbacks require maintaining distinct prompts per LLM provider
“You definitely need to have a different prompt if you want to stay within a few percentage points degradation, like I said before. And that certainly comes at a cost.”
Levie: Top five LLM providers will thrive, but 15th horizontal player will fail
“I think the business model is still very good for the top, let's say five or so model providers where, where you will run into a question is, you know, could you be the 15th LLM, you know you know, training company.
That, that seems tough, especially if your j…”
Mensch: Nvidia captures top AI margins while LLM margins lag traditional software
“NVIDIA is, at that point. The cloud providers are pretty much at cost LLM providers, we're not at cost hopefully, but the margin that, Are known to be lower than the typical software margins.”
Synthesia uses third-party LLM providers for scriptwriting rather than in-house models
“We use lots of LLM providers. Now, for example, we have a script writing functionality, right? Where you can just type in the topic of your video will help you write the script. That's not technology we've developed from the ground up.”