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Anthropic's $30T Assumption & OpenAI Confirms IPO | Why Customer Service & Robotics are Overinflated
- ▶ 43:56 Rory O'Driscoll You know, if you were Microsoft, IBM, you'd love to own, to be relevant, this would be one.
The AI Bubble WILL Burst | Should we be fearful of Chinese Open-Source | Jerry Murdock
- ▶ 1:08:37 Jerry Murdock I mean, IBM CEO came out and said, Bitcoin's
Jensen's Open-Weights Letter | Google Cloud Grows 82% But The Market Tanks
- ▶ 1:41 Harry Stebbings Jensen Huang breaks his silence, he produces his first ever post on X, and it's an open weights manifesto, and it's signed by some of the biggest companies in the world, Microsoft, Meta, IBM, many others, um,
- ▶ 29:46 Rory O'Driscoll What you're saying at the end is some version of no one gets fired for buying IBM, and you think at the margin no one will get fired.
- ▶ 30:45 Harry Stebbings Uh, we mentioned obviously NVIDIA and Jensen there, and you don't get fired for buying IBM.
Zuckerberg Back on X Challenging Codex & Claude Code | SK Hynix’s $26BN IPO · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 28:05 Rory O'Driscoll If you go to the BLS, which I did last weekend, there were only 1.8 million developers in the United States, of which only 200,000 of them work in software companies, another 600,000 work in tech companies, you know, HP, IBM, and a million…
- ▶ 39:43 Jason Lemkin I thought it was interesting that, uh, you know, IBM this week, pretty, pretty old tech company, right? 4 times in the scene
Enterprises Fear Frontier Models | Sam Altman Offers Trump 5% of OpenAI | DeepSeek Builds Own Chips · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Coinbase Cuts AI Spend by 50% | Kalshi's $40B Valuation & Impending IPO | The Year for SaaS Roll-Ups · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 29:52 Rory O'Driscoll It's, it would be like as if in 1981 or 82, the government's, um, I, I give you an IBM. 4 times in the scene
Perplexity CEO: Micron Will Be More Valuable Than Meta & How Export Controls Helped Not Hurt China · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 1:18:10 Aravind Srinivas IBM is still around because they went and bought Red Hat and HashiCorp, and now they're buying Confluent. 2 times in the scene
SpaceX Launches Largest Ever IPO | OpenAI Files to Go Public | Uber Cuts 23% of HR · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 46:23 unnamed speaker The entropic sale force in five years will look like the Oracle sales force, the Microsoft sale force, and the IBM sale force, 50 years ago, because.
The Hardest Working Startup in America | Nico Laqua, Co-founder & CEO @ Corgi · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 31:46 Harry Stebbings I think you're legitimate when you're in that you don't get fired for buying IBM.
Why Anthropic Are Causing a Comp Crisis & Why You’d Never Hire From Salesforce or ServiceNow · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 47:48 Chris Degnan I think, you know, there's, you know, look, when, when, uh, I went to Snowflake, the enterprise was, uh, you know, was still in the data center and, and, you know, IBM was still selling mainframes. 2 times in the scene
Inside Legora: Jude Law Generated $50M Pipeline | Are They Undervalued at $5.5BN? | Patrick Forquer · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 30:27 Patrick Forquer And I think generally people want to feel like, you know, you never got fired for hiring IBM. 2 times in the scene
Anthropic's Raise & What It Means for Potential IPO? Mag7: Google & Amazon Up, Meta & Microsoft Down · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 31:38 Rory O'Driscoll It's why IBM has existed for 30 years longer than it should, right?
Shopify CEO on How AI is a Scapegoat for Mass Layoffs & Trump Derangement Syndrome in Canada · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 9:24 Tobi Lütke Like, like, read about, uh, uh, Watson, the founder of IBM.
SpaceX's Financials Leaked: Is it Worth $2TN | Meta Debuts Muse Spark: Are They Back in the AI Race? · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
ElevenLabs: Building an AI Sales Machine & Why We Set a 20x Sales Quota · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 38:30 unnamed speaker And I think like the ideal scenario is like, no one gets fired, like the idea, like, you remember like IBM, right? 2 times in the scene
Citrini Research Breakdown: Agents, "Ghost GDP", Consumer Spend | Figma Earnings Beat · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 2:24 Jason Lemkin Um, but it's also interesting that conceptually, just like reviewing COBOL code dropped IBM 10%, it already existed.
Anthropic's Super Bowl Ad: Who Won & Lost? | Sierra Hits $150M ARR: Is Customer Support Too Crowded? · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 0:24 Rory O'Driscoll It's the venture capital equivalent of you can't get fired for buying IBM.
- ▶ 58:38 Rory O'Driscoll Right.
a16z, Anish Acharya: Is SaaS Dead? Do Margins Still Matter? Why We Are Not in an AI Bubble? · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 6:11 Anish Acharya Two, if you look at the incumbents today, like ServiceNow is not IBM.
Groq’s $20BN NVIDIA Deal | Why Sam Altman Doesn’t Care About Dilution & Invisible Unemployment 2026 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 1:18:57 Jason Lemkin And so my, my, and my advice to them is stay wherever you, IBM reported that turnover was almost two percent last year. 2 times in the scene
Anthropic Raises $30B from Microsoft & NVIDIA & NVIDIA’s Core Business Faces TPU Threat · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 44:18 unnamed speaker IBM, back in the day, same thing.
AI Fund’s GP, Andrew Ng: LLMs as the Next Geopolitical Weapon & Do Margins Still Matter in AI? · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20Sales: Why You Need a CRO Pre-Product | Why Remote Sales Teams Do Not Work | How Snowflake Built a Sales Machine with Chad Peets
- ▶ 40:46 Chad Peets And then you went to IBM to use an 2 times in the scene
Cohere's Chief AI Officer, Joelle Pineau: Why Scaling Laws Will Continue & Future of Synthetic Data · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 8:20 Harry Stebbings But if it's IBM's dollar, I mean, yeah,
OpenAI's Multi-Billion Deal with AMD & Polymarket, Vercel and Supabase Raise Mega Rounds · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 6:27 Rory O'Driscoll IBM was the old school company that set them up by doing that famous DOS licensing deal, right? 6 times in the scene
- ▶ 8:17 Rory O'Driscoll Brutal comment here, just like IBM got a buzz when they shipped the first PC, because they got a product out the door, but they let this competitor emerge in their midst.
Cerebras CEO, Andrew Feldman on Why Raise $1BN and Delay the IPO & Why NVIDIA’s Worried About Growth · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 1:05:33 Andrew Feldman IBM failed.
Opendoor CEO, Kaz Nejatian: OpenAI and Oracle, How Can Either Afford to Do This · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 50:09 unnamed speaker So, in fact, both these companies, ironically, just like Microsoft, 30 years ago, used IBM and then left them.
BVP Partner, Byron Deeter: The Future of Venture - Why Chanel vs Walmart is BS · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 1:11:14 Byron Deeter I, I think they're gonna let market forces, you know, operate there again, and so there will be this buying imperative that rolls through the public markets, and companies like SAP and Oracle and IBM need to buy or they're gonna get…
Sam Altman's Masterplan or a Gift to Anthropic? Palantir & Shopify Crush Earnings · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 52:02 Rory O'Driscoll And the point is all the other big vendors are old and stodgy like IBM and Accenture.
Miles Dieffenbach: Inside Carnegie Mellon’s $4BN Endowment & The Math Behind DPI, TVPI, Illiquidity · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 53:47 Miles Dieffenbach No one gets fired by IBM, right?
Figma’s IPO: The Full Breakdown & Why Melio’s $2.5BN Acquisition is “Discouraging” · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 44:45 Rory O'Driscoll I remember we, for example, we were in data stacks, which is similar size, probably a little company, sold to IBM, great outcome for all concerned, very happy to get it done.
20VC: Four Traits of the Most Successful Founders | How to Hunt and Close Talent Like a Pro and Where All Founders Go Wrong | Lessons Raising $397M From the Best Investors in the World with Eléonore Crespo @ Pigment
- ▶ 48:46 Eleonore Crespo They are not thinking, oh, I'm going to buy SAP or IBM because the brand is trustworthy.
Mitchell Green, Founder @ Lead Edge Capital: Why Traditional VC is Broken · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 51:45 Mitchell Green It's like, again, you don't get fired higher, you don't get fired higher on IBM, higher on McKinsey.
Elias Torres, Co-Founder and CEO @ Agency: What No One Tells You About Selling Your Company · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 8:28 Elias Torres And so that's, it's like an IBM computer, like, you know, in the eighties, and I would be typing my homework in this printer in WordPerfect and using Lotus one, two, three.
- ▶ 10:29 Harry Stebbings Um, you mentioned that typing away on a little IBM computer in the, in the garage. 4 times in the scene
- ▶ 44:05 Elias Torres I mean, to me, just being in that world and creating, compared to my IBM days, right, and being frustrated for not being able to do anything, and people just leaving at five o'clock and not caring, oh, I'm an SDSM, I'm a distinguished…
- ▶ 54:15 Elias Torres We had these kids, but I would work all day at IBM, and I would go home, and it was like dinner time, bathing, ah, and like, put them to bed, then doing the dishes.
- ▶ 55:33 Elias Torres And I hated that question, you know, in IBM, right?
Jake Saper, GP @ Emergence Capital: "We Sold Salesforce Early and Lost Out on Billions" · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 1:01:34 Jake Saper If I were to short a stock publicly, it'd be IBM. 4 times in the scene
Sridhar Ramaswamy, CEO @Snowflake: Deepseek is Not a Threat to OpenAI & OpenAI Beats Anthropic|E1258 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 37:18 Sridhar Ramaswamy We all know no one wants to be the person that is going to be known for the IBM deal with Microsoft.
Shervin Pishevar: What Really Happened in the Firing of Travis Kalanick | E1245 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 1:21:56 Shervin Pishevar Um, but, um, you know, he, I mean, Travis hired him from a tweet when he was like, 28 years old at IBM.
Klaus Hommels: Why "Portfolios are Merely a Construct to Make LPs Happy"? | E1231 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 35:05 Klaus Hommels Yes, so you always have that, so you never get fired for buying IBM, right?
Dan Fougere, CRO @Datadog: Why Discounting is Dangerous and Contract Sizes are Misleading | E1229 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 28:07 Dan Fougere Like, that's why I say old school is, is the new school and it's the good school because the things that worked for the fuller brush salesman or IBM or Wang or, you know, uh, HP back in the day, it'll always work because humans don't…
Eiso Kant, CTO @Poolside: Raising $600M To Compete in the Race for AGI | E1211 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Chad Peets: Why Most Sales Reps Underperform & Remote Reps Ignore Development | E1193 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 40:55 Chad Peets and then you went to IBM to use an extreme example. 2 times in the scene
Jason Lemkin: PluralSight S*** the Bed & The Next IPO Candidates | E1160 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 26:51 Jason Lemkin Just got bought for IBM.
Chris Dixon: Who Will Win the Next Generation of Venture? | E1132 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 32:16 Chris Dixon Companies like IBM would sell mainframe computers. 2 times in the scene
Gili Raanan: One of the Best Seed Investor of All Time: 1 Decacon, 7 Unicorns, 4 Acquisitions| E1128 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 6:31 Gili Raanan Um, eventually the business was acquired by IBM.
Frank Quattrone: Lessons from 650 M&A Deals Worth Over $1TRN & Taking Amazon and Cisco Public| E1121 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 11:37 Frank Quattrone They thought Microsoft was too expensive because it was at 25 times earnings, and, um, uh, a bunch of them had bought Apple, but, you know, they, they really weren't too sure about this PC industry because the big computer companies were…
- ▶ 19:25 Frank Quattrone I think companies like Cisco and IBM and the ones that all had two hundred billion dollars of cash, they could have scooped up every great emerging growth company
- ▶ 47:31 Frank Quattrone The deal sizes were small, but the hardest part was like, if you had a, a market where the technology of IBM and digital equipment and a data general and Apollo and Sun,
- ▶ 1:03:48 Frank Quattrone When PCs came, it was no longer IBM.
Jason Lemkin: Predictions for 2024 - What Does a Trump Administration do for Startups? | E1099 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 1:28:49 Jason Lemkin So it's great to have added sponsors and partners like Cisco and IBM and others that we did not have before, which is great.
Jeff Seibert: Why OpenAI Will Become an Infrastructure Play | E1085 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 31:20 Jeff Seibert And like IBM's at fault. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 31:44 Harry Stebbings So, uh, you said about IBM there.
Beezer Clarkson: Are LPs Open for Business & Why Do LP Incentive Mechanisms Need to Change? | E1073 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 44:55 Beezer Clarkson You don't get fired for buying IBM, and many, and this is sort of, um, I'm using Chris Duvos' line, so I always want to give credit when I'm stealing somebody's words.
Roundtable #4 with Jason Lemkin, Woody Marshall, Deven Parekh, Harry Stebbings | E1071 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 17:00 Deven Parekh Um, when, you know, Cisco comes along, or, you know, IBM comes along, or name whoever strategic you want comes along and says, hey, you know, here's a 1,000,000,004.
Scott Farquhar: Founding Atlassian; How We Scaled to a $50B Valuation; The 4 Jobs of a CEO | E1070 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 21:43 Scott Farquhar Like you saw, you know, DEC, DEC, and a whole bunch of, you know, minicomputer people didn't make it to the PC, and instead you saw sort of IBM and Microsoft rise, and then the internet came around, and you saw Microsoft wane a little bit,…
Christian Kleinerman: Do OpenAI and Anthropic Have a Sustaining Moat? Who Wins the AI Wars? | E1063 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 2:51 Christian Kleinerman At the time, SQL Server was coming from way behind competing with market leaders that were at Oracle and IBM, and the way in was not to have every single feature and capability that those technologies had.
- ▶ 28:39 Christian Kleinerman There was another one from IBM.
- ▶ 30:52 Christian Kleinerman One again from last week, IBM was announcing their own Gen AI models, and they were talking about being fully transparent on the data that went into the models. 3 times in the scene
- ▶ 32:07 Harry Stebbings You've mentioned IBM there last week.
Guy Podjarney: $7.4B Startup Founder; How to Analyse Market Size; Good vs Great Messaging | E1018 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 0:32 Guy Podjarny I was in the sort of the cyber parts of the Israeli army, uh, did that for about four and a half years, and then went into a startup in the AppSec space that got acquired by another startup that got acquired by IBM. 2 times in the scene
Emad Mostaque: These 5 Companies Will Win the AI War; Why We Need National Data Sets | E1015 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 36:22 Harry Stebbings That's with IBM, that's with SAP, that's with Apple.
Yann LeCun: Meta’s New AI Model LLaMA; Why Elon is Wrong about AI; Open-source AI Models | E1014 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 8:17 Yann LeCun So that was the case for, you know, Deep Blue, the chess player that IBM built, uh, in the, in the mid nineties that, that beat, you know, Garry Kasparov, you know, same thing with the DARPA Grand Challenge that, uh, Sebastian Thun team… 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 8:36 Yann LeCun And then, you know, AlphaGo and, and, you know, the IBM Jeopardy.
Frank Fillmann: How I Boosted Revenue by $500M at Salesforce; Tips for Hiring Salespeople | E992 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 0:56 Frank Fillmann And then IBM picked me up. 3 times in the scene
Amjad Masad: How I Founded Replit; Zuck's Famous Saying; Will TikTok be banned? | E987 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 0:11 Amjad Masad So, like, move fast and break things could be, like, move slow and don't break anything, and that could be, like, a value at IBM, right?
- ▶ 17:32 Amjad Masad And that could be like a value at IBM.
Jeffrey Katzenberg & Sujay Jaswa: Takeaways from Dreamworks; What happened with Quibi? | 20VC #952 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 1:25 Sujay Jaswa Mega enterprise accounts, Cisco, BMW, IBM, LVMH, accounts like that.
20VC: Why Operating Experience Becomes Irrelevant Fast and Operators Often Give Bad Advice to Founders, Is Silicon Valley Really Dead? Are Gen Z the Most Entitled Employees? What Will Happen to a Generation of Pre-PMF Companies with $50M in the Bank with
- ▶ 5:03 Sujay Jaswa Mega enterprise accounts, Cisco, BMW, IBM, LVMH, accounts like that.
20 Sales: The Ultimate Guide to Sales Onboarding for New Sales Reps and Sales Leaders, The Biggest Red Flags in the First 30 Days & What Can Be Done to Set Them Up for Success with Leaders from Figma, Dropbox, Miro and more.
- ▶ 2:12 Harry Stebbings Some of the world's leading companies like IBM, Shopify, and Stripe all love a new sales loft, and so can you.
- ▶ 29:48 Harry Stebbings Some of the world's leading companies like IBM, Shopify, and Stripe all love a new sales loft, and so can you.
Emil Michael: How I Negotiated the $4B Uber-China Deal, Why DoorDash Caught Up to Uber | 20VC #941 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 25:36 Emil Michael There was, there's enterprise tech like Hewlett Packard and IBM and all those guys, but no one else had done that.
Des Traynor: How I Founded Intercom; Product Marketing Tips; Feature Creep | 20VC #907 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 35:00 Des Traynor There's a lot of money selling software to IBM, you know, so, um, so generally the money still tends to bring you home.
Tony Fadell: Product Marketing Lessons I Learned from Steve Jobs | 20VC #884 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 38:16 Harry Stebbings It's a ThinkPad.
Oren Zeev: How I Raised $1 BILLION in 12 Months | 20VC #888 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
- ▶ 0:38 Oren Zeev and then I was a staff member at IBM.
- ▶ 43:56 Oren Zeev And the founder is a very close friend of mine from, from IBM.
- ▶ 44:03 Oren Zeev Well, from Uruguay, but he also lived for 10 years in Israel and worked together in the same, ah, you know, ah, ah, next room, you know, ah, ah, ah, adjacent rooms at, ah, at IBM Research.
20 Sales: Zoom's Head of North America Sales on When To Hire a Head of Sales, Why You Should Hire a Head of Sales Before Sales Reps, The 3 Traits to Look for When Hiring Sales Reps & What Sales Leaders Can Do To Make Their Sales Team Feel Like They Are Wi
- ▶ 1:58 Harry Stebbings Some of the world's leading companies like IBM, Shopify, and Stripe all love a new sales loft, and so can you.
- ▶ 36:23 Harry Stebbings Some of the world's leading companies like IBM, Shopify, and Stripe all love a new sales loft, and so can you.
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- ▶ 1:10 Harry Stebbings Some of the world's leading companies like IBM, Shopify, and Stripe all love a new sales loft, and so can you.
- ▶ 34:00 Harry Stebbings Some of the world's leading companies like IBM, Shopify, and Stripe all love a new sales loft, and so can you.
20 Sales: The Stripe Sales Playbook; Who Should Create It, When Should it Be Done, Where Do Many Go Wrong | How To Identify 10x Sales Hires and How To Structure the Hiring Process in Sales with Jeanne DeWitt Grosser, Head of Americas Revenue & Growth @ St
- ▶ 1:14 Harry Stebbings Some of the world's leading companies like IBM, Shopify, and Stripe all love a new Sales Loft,
- ▶ 3:43 Jeanne DeWitt Grosser He worked in tech, so he spent 17 years at IBM, was one of the first people to sell a PC.
- ▶ 37:01 Harry Stebbings Some of the world's leading companies like IBM, Shopify, and Stripe all love a new sales loft, and so can you.
20 Sales: How To Build Sales Teams with a Product-Led-Growth GTM, What is a Sales Hiring Scorecard and How To Construct Yours & How To Structure the Onboarding Process for all New Sales Hires with Dannie Herzberg, Partner @ Sequoia Capital
- ▶ 1:14 Harry Stebbings Some of the world's leading companies like IBM, Shopify, and Stripe all love a new SalesLoft, and so can you.
- ▶ 44:29 Harry Stebbings Some of the world's leading companies like IBM, Shopify, and Stripe all love a new sales loft, and so can you.
20 Sales: When To Hire Your Head of Sales/ First Reps, What To Look for in 10x Sales Candidates, How To Structure The Hiring Process, How To Onboard New Reps Efficiently, How To Set First Quotas and more with Kyle Parrish, Figma's VP Sales
- ▶ 1:18 Harry Stebbings Some of the world's leading companies like IBM, Shopify, and Stripe
- ▶ 36:58 Harry Stebbings Some of the world's most impressive companies like IBM, Shopify, and Stripe all love a new sales loft, and so can you.
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- ▶ 37:14 Emilie Choi Now, no offense, but if they say something like IBM, which I've definitely had, they're not going to be a fit for Coinbase.
20VC: The Twilio Memo: Bessemer's Byron Deeter on How a $125K Initial Check Became Bessemer's Largest Position, What The Influx of Late-Stage Capital Means For Venture Today & Why The Incumbent Advantage Is Now An Incumbent Disadvantage
- ▶ 0:44 Harry Stebbings And prior to joining the world of venture, Byron was an entrepreneur, raising a Series A from Bessemer, and scaling the company to be one of the first global SaaS companies, reaching profitability and selling to IBM.
20VC: NEA's Scott Sandell on SPACS and Why Liquidity is One of the Challenges of our Time, Why We Are At An Inflection Point For Secondaries & Why There Is Nothing To Suggest The Boom Will Not Continue
- ▶ 10:41 Scott Sandell Tomorrow, or the IBMs, and we've already seen a handful of examples.
20VC: Sonos CEO Patrick Spence on His Biggest Lessons Building and Growing Blackberry, The Right Way to View Competition and Innovation Cycles & How To Make The Transition From COO To CEO Most Effectively
- ▶ 4:03 Patrick Spence It's something around technology and computing, and so that really spurred me, actually, to do an internship between my third and fourth year of college at IBM, and I learned a whole bunch and got to work on the ThinkPad team, so I got a… 2 times in the scene
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