net retention rate

also referred to as: nrr

28 statements across 12 episodes · 14 bullish · 7 bearish · 7 people on the record · first statement Jan 29, 2021 by Jason Lemkin · across every show →

Everything said about net retention rate, oldest first

Jan 29, 2021 positive
Insight
Lemkin argues public markets ignore contract length if NRR hits 140%.
“The public markets are okay if you have consumptive based revenue, as long as it looks like recurring revenue. If you have a 140% NRR, no one cares where it comes from, right? Whether it comes from Bitcoin, 20 year contracts, six second contracts.”
Jason Lemkin Jan 29, 2021 ▶ 40:11 The Twists and Turns Along the Way to Building a Unicorn with Salesloft's CEO Kyle Porter
Feb 26, 2021 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Kopp: SaaS Boards and C-Suites Will Discuss NRR More Than Ever
“I believe at a board level discussion at a C-suite, we're going to see more and more discussion, particularly for those of you in marketing you're going to hear more about NRR than ever.”
Tim Kopp Feb 26, 2021 ▶ 1:19 The Playbook to Boosting Net Retention (Quickly) with Terminus's CEO | SaaStr Software Community
Feb 26, 2021 positive
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Kopp: Terminus Boosted Net Retention Rate by 40 Points in One Year
“We move NRR, our 40 points in a year, which is pretty remarkable.”
Tim Kopp Feb 26, 2021 ▶ 0:40 The Playbook to Boosting Net Retention (Quickly) with Terminus's CEO | SaaStr Software Community
Sep 17, 2021 bullish
Assertion Not publicly verifiable
Lemkin: Adobe Sign reached $250M ARR on 120% NRR despite losing share
“If you have a 120% NRR, that 120% NRR carried a ten million dollar business to two hundred and fifty million, even with market share loss, right?”
Jason Lemkin Sep 17, 2021 ▶ 10:47 Nick Mehta CEO Gainsight + Jason Lemkin CEO SaaStr on "The Latest in Leveling Up Customer Success"
Sep 17, 2021 positive
Insight
Lemkin: SaaS companies can reach $100M ARR with almost no sales team
“You get to 10 to a hundred, With almost no sales team, not quickly.”
Jason Lemkin Sep 17, 2021 ▶ 9:04 Nick Mehta CEO Gainsight + Jason Lemkin CEO SaaStr on "The Latest in Leveling Up Customer Success"
Sep 17, 2021
Assertion Not publicly verifiable
Lemkin: Box's net retention rate varies from 90% to 130%
“Box is one of the actually old, old box is one of the most dramatic examples. Their NRR varies from 90 to one 30. Depending on how many modules and products you use.”
Jason Lemkin Sep 17, 2021 ▶ 17:07 Nick Mehta CEO Gainsight + Jason Lemkin CEO SaaStr on "The Latest in Leveling Up Customer Success"
Sep 17, 2021 positive
Insight
Lemkin: The vast majority of SaaS companies need a second product
“It's key for the vast majority of not all, but the vast majority of SAS companies is you need a second product to drive up NRR.”
Jason Lemkin Sep 17, 2021 ▶ 16:47 Nick Mehta CEO Gainsight + Jason Lemkin CEO SaaStr on "The Latest in Leveling Up Customer Success"
Dec 9, 2021 positive
Insight
Lemkin: Any B2B business boils down to growth, NRR, and burn rate
“Obviously revenue growth, NRR and burn rate, any B to B company can be reduced to, you know, top line growth, NRR and burn. If I know the three of those, I know the physics of your business.”
Jason Lemkin Dec 9, 2021 ▶ 23:19 Ask Me Anything About Customer Success with SaaStr CEO Jason Lemkin and ChurnZero CEO You Mon Tsang
Dec 9, 2021
Opinion
Lemkin: Series A/B SaaS startups must have top-quartile NRR to get funded
“So look, if you go meet with a VC and let's say your enterprise, ok, and your NRR is only a hundred percent in the enterprise, not good enough. It's got to be north of a 120 in the enterprise, right? Let's say your SMB and you're below 95%, not good enough for…”
Jason Lemkin Dec 9, 2021 ▶ 7:56 Ask Me Anything About Customer Success with SaaStr CEO Jason Lemkin and ChurnZero CEO You Mon Tsang
Dec 9, 2021
Assertion Supported
Lemkin: HubSpot took a long time to reach 100% NRR
“HubSpot is an iconic company for larger SMBs, right? Iconic, right? But it took them quite a while to get to a hundred percent NRR, ok? It took them quite a while.”
Jason Lemkin Dec 9, 2021 ▶ 8:37 Ask Me Anything About Customer Success with SaaStr CEO Jason Lemkin and ChurnZero CEO You Mon Tsang
Aug 16, 2022 bullish
Prediction Not yet assessed · timeframe Aug 2027
Binch: PLG Companies Will See Net Retention Rates of 150% to 300%
“I will submit that PLG product companies are going to start seeing 152 103 hundred percent NRR, because why? Because they're going to start on a lower price point as an entry, and they're going to expand up further beyond that.”
Bill Binch Aug 16, 2022 ▶ 30:11 SaaS Secret Sauce: How the CEO/CRO Dynamic Drives Growth | Marketo’s Former EVP Sales Bill Binch
Aug 16, 2022 positive
Insight
Binch: NRR Is the Most Critical SaaS Metric After ARR Growth
“Today, After ARR and ARR growth, the most important metric that's looked at is what your NRR rates, your net retained revenue metric is.”
Bill Binch Aug 16, 2022 ▶ 29:45 SaaS Secret Sauce: How the CEO/CRO Dynamic Drives Growth | Marketo’s Former EVP Sales Bill Binch
Mar 10, 2023
Insight
Lemkin: SaaS requires 100% SMB NRR and 120% enterprise NRR
“The thing is, SAS is not really that interesting without a hundred percent NRR from SMBs and like a 120% from the enterprise, because you can kind of sleepwalk. I mean, not literally, but it's what makes the business model work is that the revenue recurs, righ…”
Jason Lemkin Mar 10, 2023 ▶ 25:07 SaaStr APAC AMA with Jason Lemkin, SaaStr CEO
Aug 3, 2023 bullish
Assertion Supported
Zinman: Monday.com's SMB retention proved more stable than enterprise during the downturn
“In the last, You know, 12 months since the economy changed is that we actually found that our SMB budget was more stable than our enterprise segment. So the SMBs NRR, yeah, was actually more stable.”
Eran Zinman Aug 3, 2023 ▶ 14:11 The Most Important SaaS Metrics with Monday.com Co-Founders and SaaStr Founder Jason Lemkin
Aug 3, 2023 negative
Assertion Contradicted
Lemkin: Public SMB SaaS companies exclude their smallest customers from NRR reporting
“Almost all public companies that sell the SMBs, like exclude their smallest customers from NRR.”
Jason Lemkin Aug 3, 2023 ▶ 2:11 The Most Important SaaS Metrics with Monday.com Co-Founders and SaaStr Founder Jason Lemkin
Aug 3, 2023 neutral
Disclosure
Mann: Monday.com had poor initial NRR before adding a sales team
“We didn't really have a good NRR in the beginning. Cause it was like very small customers and we kept improving the product all the time, but we looked to Iran's point. We looked at the metric and we saw where the problems were and we added the sales team. We …”
Roy Mann Aug 3, 2023 ▶ 1:02:28 The Most Important SaaS Metrics with Monday.com Co-Founders and SaaStr Founder Jason Lemkin
Aug 3, 2023 positive
Insight
Lemkin: Gross retention is more important than net retention for revealing churn
“At the end of the day, the metric everyone's going to talk about is NRR, going to a Ron's point. Every public company reports it, but GRR is more important.”
Jason Lemkin Aug 3, 2023 ▶ 40:16 The Most Important SaaS Metrics with Monday.com Co-Founders and SaaStr Founder Jason Lemkin
Aug 3, 2023 negative
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Lemkin: Stressed SaaS startups are seeing CSAT plunge while NRR rises
“This is something I hadn't seen ever in my history of SAS, but I see it all over the place now is CSAT and NPS down, but NRR up. This is reaction to stress.”
Jason Lemkin Aug 3, 2023 ▶ 36:43 The Most Important SaaS Metrics with Monday.com Co-Founders and SaaStr Founder Jason Lemkin
Aug 3, 2023 negative
Insight
Lemkin: How SaaS companies unethically brute-force high Net Retention Rates
“You can brute force high NRR with longer term deals. You can brute force NRR if you threaten customers when they leave with an inability to get their data. You can brute force NRR by having out of bound price increases, 30 or 40% a year.”
Jason Lemkin Aug 3, 2023 ▶ 27:28 The Most Important SaaS Metrics with Monday.com Co-Founders and SaaStr Founder Jason Lemkin
Aug 3, 2023 neutral
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Lemkin: No single-product SMB SaaS company has ever exceeded 100% NRR
“There may be an exception or two out there, but from my knowledge, for folks that sell to SMBs, I do not believe anyone got past a hundred that is single product, right? And HubSpot's the biggest example. HubSpot was stuck at 85% through 40 or fifty million, a…”
Jason Lemkin Aug 3, 2023 ▶ 46:41 The Most Important SaaS Metrics with Monday.com Co-Founders and SaaStr Founder Jason Lemkin
Oct 10, 2023 bullish
Insight
Zinman: At Scale, a SaaS Company's Growth Rate Becomes Its NRR
“As you scale, even though you do performance marketing, you do the Super Bowl, you do whatever you want, that increment is going to be insignificant compared to the subscription revenue you already have. So, let's say you want to grow 30%, 40%. How do you do i…”
Eran Zinman Oct 10, 2023 ▶ 32:27 Secrets to Scaling and Growth in an Unpredictable Market with monday.com's Co-founder and Co-CEO
Oct 25, 2023 positive
Insight
Lemkin: SaaS scaling from $10M to $100M ARR is inevitable with persistence
“If you can get it to ten million, you have good NRR, and the founders don't quit, Like, even if you're growing 30%, build a spreadsheet. You will go from 10 to a hundred if you're patient enough.”
Jason Lemkin Oct 25, 2023 ▶ 21:19 What SaaStr CEO and Founder Jason Lemkin Really Thinks About AI, Sales & Lead Gen In 2024
Oct 25, 2023 bullish
Insight
Lemkin: Private equity will buy any break-even SaaS company over $20M ARR
“Private equity firms will buy any SaaS company with high NRR that are break even north of twenty million.”
Jason Lemkin Oct 25, 2023 ▶ 35:32 What SaaStr CEO and Founder Jason Lemkin Really Thinks About AI, Sales & Lead Gen In 2024
Nov 4, 2024
Insight
Lemkin: Scaled SaaS Companies Must Grow New Logos 20% Annually
“If it's scale, if you can't grow your new logos, 20% a year, you're in decay. Okay. 20% a year plus 120% NRR. I know it doesn't totally sum, but that's your 40% growth at scale.”
Jason Lemkin Nov 4, 2024 ▶ 29:03 What Really Matters in SaaS in 2025 with Jason Lemkin and Dave Kellogg
Feb 5, 2025 negative
Insight
Relying Solely on GRR and NRR Is Like Driving in Reverse
“I think very commonly when people talk about KPIs for customer success teams, people quickly throw up GRR, NRR, like those are my numbers. I'm like, that's cool, but that's, you know, if you're driving by looking in the rear view mirror, you have the right set…”
Abbas Haider Ali Feb 5, 2025 ▶ 12:57 How to Build a World-Class Customer Success Org: Lessons from Notion's CRO and GitHub's VP of CS
Mar 14, 2025 negative
Opinion
Mehta: Net retention rate is a 'vanity metric' mixing disparate levers
“Net retention rate is a mix. I said it's a bit of a scam because it's mixing a lot of things together. So vanity metric.”
Nick Mehta Mar 14, 2025 ▶ 5:57 The Top 10 Customer Success Metrics Investors Care About in 2025 with Gainsight CEO Nick Mehta
Mar 14, 2025 negative
Assertion Not publicly verifiable
Mehta: Average SaaS net retention rates declined by 3 points year-over-year
“And we asked people your net retention rate this year versus last year. So this essentially the chart looks at the X axis is the net retention rate. The Y axis is number of percentage of people that are in each of those buckets. And net retention rate was down…”
Nick Mehta Mar 14, 2025 ▶ 5:27 The Top 10 Customer Success Metrics Investors Care About in 2025 with Gainsight CEO Nick Mehta
Mar 14, 2025 bearish
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Mehta: Growth-stage startup net retention rates dropped 10 to 20 points year-over-year
“I've seen a lot of startups for growth stage companies where their net retention rate is down 1015, or 20 points year over year.”
Nick Mehta Mar 14, 2025 ▶ 5:48 The Top 10 Customer Success Metrics Investors Care About in 2025 with Gainsight CEO Nick Mehta
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