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Chris Zarou

Founder & CEO, Visionary Music Group · 2 appearances on the record.

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Zarou founded Visionary Music Group, where he guided the careers of multi-platinum recording artists including Logic and Jon Bellion. He later launched Backwards Capital, an early-stage venture capital fund that invests in consumer, media, and technology startups.

11statements → 6claims → 2claims resolved → 4.09/5average certainty → 1.27/5average debate potential → ≈4.5/5argument clarity, estimated → 12said about them ↓

1 supported 1 partly supported 0 contradicted 4 not checkable as stated how the 6 claims stand · each chip opens the sources

6 assertions · 3 insights · 2 disclosures · every statement was checked. The predictions and assertions are the 6 claims: statements the public record can support or contradict. 2 are resolved, and 4 name no date, number or outcome precise enough to check. Everything else (opinions, insights, what ifs, disclosures) can never be settled by the record, so it carries no assessment.

The record, in short

What the tape says about how Chris argues and how the claims held up. Everything they said, and everything said about them, is in the tabs below.

Their most notable supported claim

Assertion Supported
Zarou: Traditional music manager commission is 15% to 20%
“Anywhere from 15 to 20% is, is the traditional commission for a manager.”
Chris Zarou Mar 11, 2019 ▶ 41:24 Logic: Logic & Chris Zarou

How they sound: not measured why? →

We measure speaking style by listening to the audio itself, and a fair number needs at least 2,000 words from one person on tape we have measured. There is too little of Chris Zarou on measured tape to publish a rate. This says nothing about how they speak.

Everything Chris Zarou said on How I Built This that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Insight
Zarou: Distributing free music builds a loyal fanbase to monetize later
“I viewed that, putting out free music, as investing in the brand, right? As we were building an audience and a fan base that That was becoming more and more invested, and what that means is that they would later down the road, whenever we asked for it, spend t…”
Chris Zarou Aug 16, 2021 ▶ 30:52 Logic: Logic & Chris Zarou (2018)
Insight
Zarou: Dedicated touring audiences will reliably convert to paid album buyers
“If they're coming to shows and selling out Rooms across the country, and we're selling out shows all over Europe, they're gonna buy an album for seven 99.”
Chris Zarou Aug 16, 2021 ▶ 51:32 Logic: Logic & Chris Zarou (2018)
Insight
Zarou: Releasing free music builds brand equity monetizable through tours and merch
“I viewed that, putting out free music as investing in the brand, right? As we were building an audience and a fan base That was becoming more and more invested, and what that means is that they would, later down the road, whenever we asked for it, spend the mo…”
Chris Zarou Mar 11, 2019 ▶ 29:49 Logic: Logic & Chris Zarou
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Def Jam rejected Zarou for an internship before later signing Logic
“It was Def Jam, which is ultimately where, where Logic's, Logic signed to probably a year, a little bit over a year after that, so.”
Chris Zarou Aug 16, 2021 ▶ 20:56 Logic: Logic & Chris Zarou (2018)
Disclosure
Zarou's Visionary Music Group signed a joint venture label with Sony
“I just did a joint venture label with Sony music, which I'm very, very excited about.”
Chris Zarou Aug 16, 2021 ▶ 1:04:55 Logic: Logic & Chris Zarou (2018)
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Def Jam Rejected Chris Zarou for an Internship a Year Before Signing Logic
“It was Def Jam, which is ultimately where, where Logic's, Logic signed to probably a year, a little bit over a year after that, so.”
Chris Zarou Mar 11, 2019 ▶ 19:52 Logic: Logic & Chris Zarou
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Zarou: Logic sold 100,000 tour tickets before releasing a commercial record
“We had sold a 100,000 tickets and X number of dollars in merch. So that's going to translate because it's fans who are invested in him, right?”
Chris Zarou Mar 11, 2019 ▶ 50:28 Logic: Logic & Chris Zarou
Disclosure
Zarou chose artist management due to its low barrier to entry
“And I chose management because I thought it would be the least barrier to entry. And I was like, okay, if I find talent and start working with them, that would be my way into the business.”
Chris Zarou Aug 16, 2021 ▶ 19:50 Logic: Logic & Chris Zarou (2018)
Assertion Partly supported
Visionary Music Group COO Harrison Remler started working for Zarou at 18
“The COO of Visionary Music Group, Harrison Remler, at the time, he was in school. He was 18 years old.”
Chris Zarou Aug 16, 2021 ▶ 38:42 Logic: Logic & Chris Zarou (2018)
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Logic's 2012 debut national tour carried no performance guarantees
“At the time that tour was actually a no guarantee tour.”
Chris Zarou Aug 16, 2021 ▶ 39:32 Logic: Logic & Chris Zarou (2018)
Assertion Supported
Zarou: Traditional music manager commission is 15% to 20%
“Anywhere from 15 to 20% is, is the traditional commission for a manager.”
Chris Zarou Mar 11, 2019 ▶ 41:24 Logic: Logic & Chris Zarou

The other half of the tape: Chris Zarou's own voice is left out of every number here. Other people bring the name up 4 times in 3 episodes on How I Built This. 8 statements on the record name them. every mention, with the transcript →

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Statements about Chris Zarou, by other people (8)

Insight
Logic refuses to delegate full authority without direct personal oversight
“If I'm not involved, I trust no one with my money, with my company, with my this, with my that, if I'm not involved. Like, I trust Chris with my life, but I'm not just gonna be like, just go take it. Not because I don't trust him, but because I don't work that…”
Logic (Sir Robert Bryson Hall II) Aug 16, 2021 ▶ 1:05:32 Logic: Logic & Chris Zarou (2018)
Disclosure
Logic and Zarou turned down a $1.5M indie contract while broke
“In front of us. And Chris had it. And I remember he said something really corny. It was really funny. Like he was just excited. He was like, how much you think our brand that we're creating is worth? And I was like, I don't know. And he was like, Well, somebod…”
Logic (Sir Robert Bryson Hall II) Aug 16, 2021 ▶ 32:17 Logic: Logic & Chris Zarou (2018)
Disclosure
Logic: Independent labels offered a $1.5 million contract early in his career
“And, you know, there was even independent companies that put a contract for 1.5 million dollars in our hands.”
Logic (Sir Robert Bryson Hall II) Mar 11, 2019 ▶ 31:06 Logic: Logic & Chris Zarou
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Manager Chris Zarou conceived naming Logic's hit song after suicide hotline
“And it was Chris who had the idea to make it, you know, and really give it the whole Number, because then we could reach people and give them that platform.”
Logic (Sir Robert Bryson Hall II) Mar 11, 2019 ▶ 54:44 Logic: Logic & Chris Zarou
Disclosure
Logic and Chris Zarou are equal partners in Elysium record label
“I have a record label, and we're both equal partners on that, that, that we run together, called Elysium, with artists that I've signed”
Logic (Sir Robert Bryson Hall II) Mar 11, 2019 ▶ 1:02:17 Logic: Logic & Chris Zarou
Disclosure
Logic and manager Chris Zarou co-own record label Elysium as equals
“Even still, I have a record label, and we're both equal partners on that, that, that we run together, called Elysium, with artists that I've signed, that we believe in”
Logic (Sir Robert Bryson Hall II) Aug 16, 2021 ▶ 1:03:30 Logic: Logic & Chris Zarou (2018)
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Logic: 'Mind of Logic' video gained 20,000 views overnight in 2011
“We released the music video, and like, overnight, it had 20,000 views.”
Logic (Sir Robert Bryson Hall II) Mar 11, 2019 ▶ 26:51 Logic: Logic & Chris Zarou
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Logic: Chris Zarou managed him unsigned for their first six months
“I was like, I don't want to sign anything. If we're going to do this, like, I don't want to say anything. And he wasn't pushing to sign anything either. And that's a really amazing thing. Because he allowed, he was like, yo, I'm going to walk the walk. Like, I…”
Logic (Sir Robert Bryson Hall II) Mar 11, 2019 ▶ 26:28 Logic: Logic & Chris Zarou

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2019 2 mentions in 1 episode

Appearances (2)

EpisodeDateSpeaking time
Logic: Logic & Chris Zarou (2018) Aug 16, 2021 16m
Logic: Logic & Chris Zarou Mar 11, 2019 16m
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