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Jain: Nvidia is heavily investing in US open-source AI model development
“There's a lot of motivated parties that actually want to promote, like, including NVIDIA, for example, You know, they're putting a lot of investment in promoting, like, you know, development of great open source models in the US.”
Jain: the model layer is definitely commoditizing for most enterprise use cases
“90% or greater of use cases cannot be fully handled by many, many different models, including open source models. So there's definitely there's definitely commoditization from that perspective. In fact, like, you know, we are clean that's actually one of our c…”
Jain: Generative AI will not fizzle out like robotic process automation
“It's fundamental, it's different, and the, and that's why, like, you know, I don't think, you know, we, this technology is going to fizzle out. And it's not like, you know, you don't have to be, like, a financial expert or, you know, like, sort of a deep think…”
Jain: AI intelligence layer may capture half of enterprise value
“I know we do think that the intelligence layer is actually going to be a pretty thick one. Maybe, you know, it's, it will capture half of the enterprise value.”
Jain: Enterprise search requires transformer models due to scarce user signals
“On the web, even if you don't have good semantic understanding, there is so much that you're going to learn from people's behavior because, you know, you have a billion people, you know, coming and using your product. In the enterprise, you don't have that lux…”
Jain: Enterprises Care More About Process Automation Than Personal AI Assistants
“Businesses are actually a lot more, more interested in, not in that, but in actually thinking about how they can transform their company with AI, how they can take specific business processes, you know, where they're spending a lot of money and how, how do the…”
Jain: Startups should run PLG and enterprise sales simultaneously
“So the right recipe for me, like, you know, if I had a choice, I would actually start both the motions simultaneously. Like, I don't want to actually Say that, look, you know, for the first three years, I'm, I will actually focus, you know on just being PLG an…”
Arvind Jain: AI agents are shifting from RAG to process automation
“Agents are now getting a lot more powerful. They are, You know, they're getting they're sort of shifting from sort of basic two step rack kind of application flow where you take a task, you find some information, and then you make AI work on it to generate the…”
Arvind Jain: Enterprise software cannot build eBay-style network effects
“In enterprises, you know, it's sort of hard to explore. It's hard to actually you know, have, like, Network effects like, you know, the kind that you have with eBay. Like, you know, enterprise software doesn't work that way.”
Jain: Big Tech safety nets and zero consequences for failure breed complacency
“Cause sometimes I feel like, you know, at Google, I was not feeling challenged anymore. Cause you know, we're such a successful company and we could always, you know, take big problems, you know, and work on them. And it didn't matter if they failed. Cause lik…”
Jain: He avoided early feedback from business people to protect his idea
“In fact, the more people I would talk to, like, you know, especially people who are, Who have business acumen, like they would actually turn, turn me farther from this idea. So I actually chose not to talk to too many people.”
Jain: Glean skipped TAM analysis entirely because the market did not exist
“Like, you know, sometimes we sort of talk to our team about it, so we didn't do any TAM analysis. Like, how do you do TAM? There's no product in the market. Nobody actually is even solving this problem.”
Jain: Avoid using friends as early design partners; prioritize cold outreach instead
“I didn't actually go and, like, you know, hit my friends, you know, and say, like, hey, can you actually, you know, take this product and give me feedback? Because I felt like, you know, they'll all be very nice to me. And they will do it like, you know, even …”
Jain: First-time founders optimize for entrepreneurial success; repeat founders focus on problems
“For a first time founder, like, you know, they're actually trying to, their goal is actually You know, succeed as an entrepreneur. They want to actually learn that, you know, that art. Sort of like, you know, it's personal in that sense. You know, for me, that…”
Jain: Mental surrender pushes the true startup failure rate closer to 99%
“Like, you hear these stats that nine out of 10 startups fail, and I like to tell them that, like, look, no, it's not nine out of 10, it's 99 out of hundred, because you didn't count all the first 90 startups that the founder killed themselves, like, you know, …”
Jain: Information seeking is the world's largest AI application today
“That's like the largest application or use case for AI in the world today. Is in fact information seeking and question answering.”
Jain: Majority of current enterprise AI spend is focused on coding
“I think the majority of the AI spend right now is on coding.”
Jain: Massive AI-generated codebases become unmaintainable over time
“When you write code, for example, with AI you know, we, you know, you can write like, you know, a million lines of code but it becomes incredibly hard to actually maintain it and understand it and manage it over time.”
Jain: Glean never proactively raised funds after its first round
“So first, actually, we never actually went out to race you know, except for our first round of the company, you know, we always had somebody come in, and it was a relationship that got built over some time, and kind of became the de facto, like, you know, that…”
Jain: Open-source developers cannot build AI models without massive upfront funding
“They require a lot of upfront investment, which is not open source friendly in many ways. A lot of open source software has been skunk works, like developers is getting no funding associated with them and they still get something built. They couldn't build mod…”
Jain: Most enterprise employees use ChatGPT and Claude daily
“Everybody in your company is probably using ChatGBD and Claude and other tools on a daily basis.”
Jain: Glean abandoned internal model fine-tuning for pre-built models
“Some of our fine tuning work, building, building models for a specific use case within our product, like, you know, didn't really pan out for us. And ultimately the choice was that, you know, we can go with already built models, whether they are small open sou…”
Jain: CIOs should sign shorter AI contracts as winners remain unclear
“What we tell people is that I think the winners are yet to be identified and so experiment with more vendors, do shorter term contracts.”
Jain: Glean records every internal and external meeting when permitted
“In, in Glean, we have this policy where we record every single meeting, internal meeting, external meeting if our customers allow because there's so much information, you know, in there.”
Jain: Glean's largest customer holds over 1 billion internal documents
“One of our largest customers. They have more than one billion documents inside their company. Now hear this, you know, when Alain and I, you know, when we were working on search, At Google, you know, in 2004, the entire internet was actually one billion docume…”
Jain: Pre-SaaS enterprise search failed because turnkey products were impossible
“Most of the companies started in the pre-SaaS world, they failed because you could just couldn't build a turnkey product. But SaaS actually allowed you to actually build something, you know which is my insight.”
Jain: Models reason significantly better when data is pre-organized
“There is a good amount of, ah, work that you have to do and present the information, ah, to the model in some, you know, in some organized fashion. That's when they're going to actually do a much better job reading that information, reasoning over it, and givi…”
Jain: About 90% of enterprise knowledge is private within a company
“Most of the knowledge, I should say, like, 90% of the knowledge inside the company is private in some shape or form inside, within your company.”
Jain: Users adopted Glean search immediately but struggled with conversational Assistant
“Everybody has been trained over the last 20 years to actually type in, you know, one or two keywords, like Google has sort of taught us, you know, on what search can do. So with search, we never had a problem. Like, you know, we launched our product, we had, l…”
Jain: Glean faced nonexistent enterprise search budgets, unlike Rubrik
“In Rupert, we're an established market, like the budget, several dollars, and you had to actually replace an old technology with a new technology. Here we were in a market where we had no budgets. There was no concept of buying a search product in the enterpri…”
Jain: Enterprise search requires top-down sales because full-corpus indexing is expensive
“We cannot offer the product to one individual inside a company. Even one person, you know, their search needs require us to actually search over all the entire company's information for them. So it's expensive. You have to actually index, you know, all of your…”
Jain: Looking closely at market priors leads founders to kill their ideas
“The more you look at priors, the more you're going to actually, likely you're going to actually ultimately kill your own idea.”
Jain: Finding internal information inside Google was super hard
“Even at Google, like, it was a big joke, you know, always we had internally, like, you know, All of us were spending all of our time making it easy for people to find things, but not us internally at Google. It's super hard to find anything inside the company.”
Arvind Jain: Most enterprise AI use cases rely on closed models
“Today, the, for most customer use cases the companies are using the closed, closed models at the moment”
Arvind Jain: Glean evaluates new AI models within 30 minutes
“We need to have a way within, like, you know, 30 minutes to know how well it's going to do on our product, right? I mean, and you can do those things. You can actually build the right, you know, evaluation frameworks, things like that.”
Arvind Jain: Every worker will have a team of AI assistants
“And the future that I see with AI is that every person who works is going to have this amazing team of assistants, coworkers, and coaches around them that is going to actually make them a lot more effective.”
Jain: Rubrik tripled its engineering headcount without increasing total code output
“We actually tripled the size of the engineering team, but like, you know, still write, you know, the same amount of code.”
Jain: Prior enterprise search efforts, including Google's, failed to satisfy users
“Well, historically, like this is not a new problem, like helping employees find information at work. So there have been companies, you know, Google had a product too, and, but nobody really solved it in a way where somebody liked the product, somebody actually…”
Jain: Early investors offered to back him but rejected Glean's product idea
“There were investors who would tell me like, you know, that they would back me, you know, because I've experienced building a company before, but they didn't want to back, you know, the idea that I was working on.”
Jain: Software engineers spend one-third of their working time searching for information
“I know all these engineers, they're spending one third of their time just trying to find things.”
Jain: Founders should ignore the vitamin versus painkiller framework and just build
“And I think it's important, like it's important sometimes not to overanalyze and actually focus on the use end user and the problem and just go and solve it.”
Jain: Enterprise search startups require heavy upfront R&D and roughly 20 engineers
“Search requires a lot of R&D, lots of technology to be built. So we wanted to build a team of about 20 people and divide it into, like, you know, three different areas, you know, of our technology stack.”
Jain: Language models were originally built specifically to improve Google Search
“All of this research happened in Google. And LLMs were actually, or these language models were actually built, you know, with one purpose, which is to make search better, to make Google search better.”
Jain: ChatGPT turned workplace search from a vitamin into a painkiller
“And this is where, you know, the transition happened from the vitamin to the painkiller. When people saw that if only I had something like ChatGPT inside my company or all of my company knowledge, people realized that, whoa, like that, no, this is something I …”
Jain: Copying company data into multiple AI tools destroys data governance
“The governance is actually a big part internally. And so when you have these like tens of different AI tools coming into the company, all of them need to work with knowledge, your enterprise knowledge. And so if you start to just copy your enterprise knowledge…”
Jain: Glean combines ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini into one product
“Today the way to think about Glean is that first, it's a super set of JetGPD, Cloud, Gemini, All of those combined into one product experience.”
Glean Used Transformers for Semantic Matching in Version One
“The version, one of our product actually already used transformers for semantic, you know, matching”
Glean Built Custom Enterprise Embeddings on Top of BERT
“We started with this BERT model that Google had put in open domain, which was trained on all of the internet's, you know, data and knowledge. And we would then take those models and then for every customer of ours, we'd actually build custom embeddings, you kn…”