Sudden Coffee

36 statements across 2 episodes · 10 bullish · 12 bearish · 8 people on the record · first statement Mar 3, 2025 by Joshua Zloof · said 70 times in 2 episodes since 2025 · across every show →

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Mar 3, 2025
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Zloof: Sudden Coffee hit $100K in total sales and $20K MRR
“So we've done about a hundred K since January. We're at 20 K recurring.”
Joshua Zloof Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 10:33 #10 Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 negative
What-if
Diamond: Sudden Coffee surrendered too much equity instead of crowdfunding
“I mean, you could have probably launched a crowdfunding campaign, come back around and raise money at a much higher valuation, but you know, you're, cause like right now you're deluding yourself by like, you're giving up like half the company.”
Howie Diamond Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 18:24 #10 Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025
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Zloof: Sudden Coffee's core customers are 35 to 55 suburbanites
“Our customers are actually 35 to 55. They live outside of cities. They tend to live in suburbs. They have big houses. They're well-educated. A lot of them are doctors, professors, et cetera, but they live, you know, in a suburb of Nashville, for example.”
Joshua Zloof Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 25:52 #10 Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 negative
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Zloof: Pitching was tough because the investors didn't drink coffee
“I think that one of the biggest things that stands out was realizing that none of the investors drank coffee or only one of them drank coffee and we were like, okay, this is going to be tough.”
Joshua Zloof Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 23:25 #10 Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 negative
Disclosure
Manus passes: A $100K check lacks sufficient equity for her involvement
“When I get involved with a company, ok, and especially one that has such a bold brand, and that is where I want to direct my energy to, but I just for a 100,000 dollars, it's not, I can't say it's not worth my time, but in a lot of ways, I would need much more…”
Jillian Manus Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 20:50 #10 Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025
Disclosure
Zloof: Sudden Coffee raised $2.9M led by Charles River Ventures
“We raised 2.9 from Charles River Ventures as our lead, and then this is our second round, so we raised 500 K a year ago.”
Joshua Zloof Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 17:08 #10 Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025
Disclosure
Zloof: Sudden Coffee is raising $3M to scale capacity and marketing
“And we're now at the point where we're trying to raise a three million dollar round to really help us get to the next level of scale, both from a capacity standpoint and, but mostly from a marketing standpoint.”
Joshua Zloof Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 6:41 #10 Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 bearish
Opinion
Manus: Without a patent, Sudden Coffee lacks real defensibility
“There's no patent around it. There's no defensibility, really.”
Jillian Manus Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 6:11 #10 Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Muccio: Sudden Coffee sold over 100,000 cups of coffee by spring
“As of spring, they've sold over a 100,000 cups of Sudden coffee.”
Josh Muccio Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 29:27 #10 Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 positive
Opinion
Freese: Sudden Coffee is already better than 90% of cafe coffee
“I mean, realistically, it's not, it's never going to be better than the best freshly brewed coffee, but it's going to be, it's already better than 90% of what I get in good cafes.”
Kalle Freese Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 10:16 #10 Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 positive
Disclosure
Manus: My investment structure philosophy specifically targets two-founder startup teams
“One of the things I look for is I always look for two founders. I mean, I invest in more companies with two founders, and that's kind of a philosophy of structure, is that we definitely look for two founders.”
Jillian Manus Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 21:52 #10 Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 neutral
Opinion
Manus: Sudden Coffee is a marketing play, not amazing coffee
“What I see this as is not the best It's a, actually a marketing play. I don't see anybody going around saying, this is the best cup of instant coffee I've ever had. But I have, I, but it's getting people to accept it as the best instant coffee they've ever had…”
Jillian Manus Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 13:10 #10 Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 bullish
Disclosure
Zloof: Sudden Coffee's vision is the world's largest virtual specialty cafe
“Long term, our real vision is to sort of build the world's largest specialty cafe using technology to sort of abstract all of the things you get from a cafe.”
Joshua Zloof Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 11:29 #10 Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025
Assertion Supported
Muccio: Co-founder Kalle Freese stopped working full-time at Sudden Coffee
“Calais, the award-winning barista slash co-founder of Sudden Coffee, was no longer working full-time with the company.”
Josh Muccio Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 27:07 #10 Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 positive
Opinion
Chapman: Sudden Coffee isn't as good as Philz or Blue Bottle
“This, it's good. It's not as good as like a great cup of coffee at Phil's would be, I think, or Blue Bottle.”
Jake Chapman Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 8:17 #10 Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025
Disclosure
Zloof: Sudden Coffee's current round is at a $6.25M pre-money valuation
“The valuation on this round is 6.25 pre.”
Joshua Zloof Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 17:17 #10 Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 negative
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Zloof: Sudden Coffee's subscriber count fell from 500 to 400
“So our peak was in or July, we had 500 subscribers. I think now we're closer to 400.”
Joshua Zloof Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 10:40 #10 Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 negative
Opinion
Manus: Lack of a patent means no defensibility
“There's no defensibility, really.”
Jillian Manus Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 5:24 After the Pitch: Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 neutral
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Muccio: Buyers were actually middle-aged suburbanites, not targeted millennials
“While they were busy trying to grab millennials, the people who were actually buying Sudden Coffee were middle-aged suburbanites.”
Josh Muccio Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 20:35 After the Pitch: Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025
Disclosure
Zloof: Sudden Coffee raised at a $6.25M pre-money valuation
“The valuation on this round is 6.25 pre.”
Joshua Zloof Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 14:36 After the Pitch: Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 positive
Disclosure
Zloof: Sudden Coffee pivots to wholesale partnerships with Intelligentsia and Equator
“We launched a partnership with Equator Coffee, which is a San Francisco-based roaster, and that was actually a pretty big shift for us. It was the first time we'd started going into wholesale, and so we did a second partnership with Intelligentsia Coffee, and …”
Joshua Zloof Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 20:59 After the Pitch: Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 bearish
Opinion
Mohnot: At $3 a cup, instant coffee will always be a niche product
“At three dollars a cup. It's never going to be, it's always going to be a niche product. Like it's not going to be daily use.”
Sheel Mohnot Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 32:27 After the Pitch: Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 negative
What-if
Zloof: Sudden Coffee Should Have Hired Chemical Engineer Two Years Earlier
“You know, I think we should have you know, two years earlier, like, hired a chemical engineer and started researching this from the beginning, but we were trying to sort of play it safe and iterate a little bit more”
Joshua Zloof Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 27:52 After the Pitch: Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025
Disclosure
Zloof: Sudden Coffee raised $2.9M led by Charles River Ventures
“We raised 2.9 from Charles River Ventures is, is our lead, and then this is our second round, so you raised 500 K a year ago.”
Joshua Zloof Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 14:27 After the Pitch: Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 bullish
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Zloof: Sudden Coffee reached $100K in sales and $20K MRR
“So we've done about a hundred K since January. We're at 20 K recurring.”
Joshua Zloof Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 9:45 After the Pitch: Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 bullish
Disclosure
Zloof: New process cuts Sudden Coffee price to $1.50 and triples margins
“So it'll be dollar 50 and it'll also allow us to triple our margin. You know, we've been setting, sitting at two 75 with a 20% margin. And one of our investors was like, there's no way you can build a brand with that. Like it need, you need to make it way chea…”
Joshua Zloof Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 26:46 After the Pitch: Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025
Insight
Mohnot: Early fundraising succeeds by convincing investors the next pivot will work
“I think like getting a founder that makes you believe, and then there are like some proof points and it feels like just the next change is the one that's going to make it. So like, if you can get an investor to believe in that, like that this next thing is the…”
Sheel Mohnot Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 33:26 After the Pitch: Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 neutral
Disclosure
Freese: Sudden Coffee process is not currently patented
“It's not patented currently.”
Kalle Freese Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 5:21 After the Pitch: Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 neutral
Disclosure
Manus: A $100K check cannot justify dedicating full attention to a startup
“When I get involved with a company, ok, and especially one that has such a bold brand, and that is where I want to direct my energy to, but I just for a 100,000 dollars, it's not, I can't say it's not worth my time, but in a lot of ways, I would need much more…”
Jillian Manus Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 17:56 After the Pitch: Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 negative
Assertion Supported
Muccio: Co-founder Kalle Freese left months after $3M fundraise
“Despite the fact that they had just raised almost three million from investors, a couple months later, Calais, the award-winning barista co-founder, left the company.”
Josh Muccio Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 20:13 After the Pitch: Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 negative
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Zloof: Sudden Coffee subscriber count dropped from 500 to around 400
“So our peak was in, ah, or July, we had 500 subscribers. I think now we're closer to 400.”
Joshua Zloof Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 9:52 After the Pitch: Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 bullish
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Nadel: There is no market leader in specialty instant coffee
“There is no, like, great leader in this space, and you have that opportunity, that's wide open for you.”
Phil Nadel Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 12:15 After the Pitch: Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 negative
Disclosure
Zloof: Sudden Coffee subscription retention dropped significantly after launch
“Our retention scores, like on subscriptions went way down from what it was before.”
Joshua Zloof Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 23:48 After the Pitch: Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 bullish
Opinion
Freese: Sudden Coffee is better than 90% of cafe coffee
“I mean, realistically, it's not, it's never going to be better than the best freshly brewed coffee, but it's going to be, it's already better than 90% of what I get in good cafes.”
Kalle Freese Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 9:28 After the Pitch: Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 negative
What-if
Diamond: Sudden Coffee should have used crowdfunding to avoid massive dilution
“I mean, you could have probably launched a crowdfunding campaign, come back around and raise money at a much higher valuation, but you know, you're, cause like right now you're deluding yourself by like, you're giving up like half the company.”
Howie Diamond Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 15:29 After the Pitch: Sudden Coffee
Mar 3, 2025 positive
Insight
Freese: Lack of patents does not preclude business defensibility
“Well, I don't think that having no patent means that there's no defensibility.”
Kalle Freese Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 5:27 After the Pitch: Sudden Coffee
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