Aug 7, 2023 · 1h 13m · how-i-built-this
Orgain: Andrew Abraham
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In this episode of How I Built This, host Guy Raz interviews Dr. Andrew Abraham about how surviving teenage cancer inspired him to create Orgain, bootstrapping the clean-nutrition brand from a garage startup into a multi-million-dollar enterprise acquired by Nestlé.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Guy holds 37.6% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Guy as informed peer 2.8 Guest teaching 1.5 Guest disagreement 0.1 Guy pushing back 0.6
speaking balance: gold is Guy, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 1:04:53 Defending powder against whole foods purism
Abraham directly tackles Raz's philosophical skepticism regarding meal replacement powders by framing clean protein powders as essential bridge supplements.
Hardest push from Guy ▶ 1:04:05 Host skepticism on powdered nutritionRaz openly expresses his conflict with viewing powdered drinks as legitimate healthy food compared to whole, unprocessed foods.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 22:41 Educating host on beverage R&D vs cosmeticsAbraham corrects Raz's assumption that drink manufacturing uses standard off-the-shelf co-packer formulas, explaining the technical hurdles of certified organic stability.
Guy holds their own ▶ 35:34 Raz probes the financing mysteryRaz persistently drills into how an unpaid resident financed six-figure inventory before uncovering Abraham's hidden automotive side hustle.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Guy as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Guy pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Family Roots and Childhood Inspiration | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Guy Raz conducts an empathetic, narrative interview about Abraham's upbringing, family medical background, and cancer diagnosis at 17. The guest is collaborative and shares personal reflections without conflict. | |
| Discovering Integrative Nutrition and Blender Experiments | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Guy prompts Abraham to explain his nutritional awakening while undergoing chemo. Abraham details reading hundreds of nutrition books, noting the stark contrast between conventional medical shakes and real whole foods. | |
| Medical Training and Identifying the Market Gap | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Raz tracks Abraham's transition through med school and residency at Kaiser. Abraham describes patient compliance issues when prescribing blender recipes, demonstrating the clinical need for a convenient ready-to-drink formula. | |
| Formulating the First Organic Ready-to-Drink Shake | 3 | 3 | 0 | 1 | Raz asks whether formulation was like white-label cosmetic compounding. Abraham clarifies that formulating a shelf-stable organic beverage had never been done before, requiring custom sourcing and trial batches in Texas. | |
| Expo West and the Serendipitous Whole Foods Meeting | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Abraham shares the humorous underdog story of setting up an unpolished booth at Expo West with folding chairs and blank bottles, ultimately catching the attention of Whole Foods' global buyer. | |
| The Austin Pitch and a National Launch Offer | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Raz explores the pitch meeting at Whole Foods HQ in Austin where Abraham pitched in sneakers after forgetting dress shoes, securing an unexpected national rollout offer. | |
| Mid-Episode Break and Quality Teaser | 3 | 1 | 0 | 1 | Raz presses Abraham on how he financed the first production run. Abraham surprises Raz by revealing a college side business modifying cars with integrated TV monitors that funded early operations. | |
| Balancing Medical Residency with National Distribution | 3 | 1 | 0 | 1 | Raz questions the logistics of running a solo business while enduring 30-hour medical residency shifts. Abraham details managing operations single-handedly under family members' names. | |
| Rapid Sales and the Solidification Product Recall | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Abraham describes the crisis when shakes solidified into gel on shelves due to organic stabilization challenges, forcing an expensive voluntary product recall. | |
| Mid-Show Interlude: Leaving Medicine Behind | 3 | 1 | 0 | 1 | Raz asks about leaving medical practice after completing residency. Abraham describes the emotional conversation with his father about transitioning from individual patient care to broad impact through nutrition. | |
| Disrupting Costco with Plant-Based Protein Powders | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Abraham recounts launching plant-based protein powders and persuading skeptical Costco buyers to pilot the product for everyday health consumers rather than traditional bodybuilders. | |
| Powdered Nutrition Versus Whole Food Diets | 4 | 2 | 1 | 3 | Raz pushes back with a personal skepticism about whether powdered drinks truly substitute for whole foods. Abraham acknowledges whole foods are ideal while defending powders as a practical, clean supplement for busy lifestyles. |
Statements from this episode (16)
Abraham: Hospital Nutrition Shakes Are "Anything But Nutritious"
“Even though it said nutrition shake on the front, it was anything but nutritious.”
Abraham: Med School Curriculum Included Only Two Weeks of Nutrition
“And during medical school, I remember we had about two weeks of nutrition you know, and it was very high level, and we went through it, and then it was done.”
Abraham: Only one in 20 patients complied with DIY shake recipes
“The issue was compliance, you know, out of 20 people, maybe one would do it so I knew that Giving them this list of ingredients and having them blend them was not the answer.”
Abraham: No organic ready-to-drink shake existed prior to Orgain
“And the other thing is no one had made an organic, ready-to-drink shake. It had never been done before.”
Abraham: An unannounced Expo West booth visitor was Whole Foods' global buyer
“And I thought he was maybe a physical therapist in the Anaheim area, and he turned his badge, and he ended up being the global buyer for Whole Foods.”
Abraham: Whole Foods offered Orgain a national launch weeks after pitch
“And I went home, and you know, four or five weeks later, I got a phone call and an email that said, you know, can you handle a national launch?”
Abraham: Orgain's initial Whole Foods production run cost over $100,000
“It was over a 100,000 for the initial run”
Abraham funded Orgain with custom car proceeds and a father loan
“It was just a personal hobby that turned into this business that ended up funding a good portion of Oregon, and my father also provided a loan for me in the beginning.”
Abraham: Orgain operated as a one-man show for almost four years
“I ran Organe by myself for almost four years as a one-man show.”
Abraham: Orgain reached profitability within its first 12 months
“So we actually became profitable very early on and it was in the first 12 months where Orgain shifted to profitability.”
Abraham: Orgain's Whole Foods product recall cost about $50,000
“That was a major hit. That was a about a 50,000 dollar withdrawal at the time, which for me was catastrophic.”
Abraham: Orgain was among the first protein brands on Amazon
“I was one of the first protein companies to put an Amazon up Amazon listing up.”
Abraham: Orgain Hit $50M in Revenue Before Opening an Office
“We were probably at that point at least fifty million in, in revenue.”
Abraham: Orgain Made Inc. 500 With Only One Real Employee
“I think we had made the Inc's, you know, 500 fastest growing company list, and we had two or three people, or I wrote two or three people. We really had one.”
Abraham: Surviving cancer means never taking the safe option in business
“In my mind, I've already won the game in my mind, so I'll never take the safe option to tie the game. I'm always gonna go for the win.”
Abraham: Orgain gives free product to cancer patients who cannot afford it
“Anyone that needed product or needs product today that can afford it, we give it to them for free. No questions asked. So if you're a cancer patient and can't tolerate other products and Orgain is working for you, but you can't afford it for any reason, We shi…”