endowment

also referred to as: endowments

54 statements across 44 episodes · 14 bullish · 16 bearish · 40 people on the record · first statement May 17, 2017 by Jenny Heller · across every show →

Everything said about endowment, oldest first

May 17, 2017
Insight
Heller: Taxable Family Investors Must Think Longer-Term Than Endowments
“Because we pay taxes, we have to think even longer term than an endowment, I would say. We have to be even more conscious of turnover, both at the fund level and at our portfolio level.”
Jenny Heller May 17, 2017 ▶ 42:42 Jennifer Heller – Thinking it Through (Capital Allocators, EP.07)
Jan 22, 2018 neutral
Insight
Spitz: Esoteric Niche Strategies Lack Capacity for Large Endowments
“We're looking at all sorts of niche kinds of investments, but the problem is if you're a big endowment, a lot of these categories probably can't take a lot of capital.”
Bill Spitz Jan 22, 2018 ▶ 38:22 Bill Spitz – Seasoned Commodore (Capital Allocators, EP.37)
Sep 3, 2018 positive
Insight
Williamson: Endowments prioritize total return over benchmark constraints compared to pensions
“What I found is that, as you know, they're very different investors than pension plans. They're not pension plans. They tend to be much longer term. They tend to be more interested in Total return than other issues like fitting things in boxes and some things …”
Sarah Williamson Sep 3, 2018 ▶ 8:22 Sarah Williamson – Focusing Capital on the Long-Term (Capital Allocators, EP.67)
Oct 29, 2018 negative
Insight
Scheer: Moving average spending rules effectively doubled drawdowns after 2008
“After 2008, people were spending five percent Based on the last couple of years values, which was 10% based on their 2009 values. And so what that does is it takes a significant number of dollars out of the endowment. So it is very difficult to recover. The nu…”
Karl Scheer Oct 29, 2018 ▶ 41:30 Karl Scheer – Competing Sensibly as CIO of the University of Cincinnati (EP.74)
Oct 29, 2018 bearish
Prediction Open · timeframe Oct 2023
Scheer: Endowment spending rules should drop to the 3% range
“The five percent spending rule makes absolutely no sense for about the last 20 years. And so a lot of folks are addressing that by reducing their spending policies. I think four is the new five among endowments. Should probably be three handle and I bet it wil…”
Karl Scheer Oct 29, 2018 ▶ 40:25 Karl Scheer – Competing Sensibly as CIO of the University of Cincinnati (EP.74)
May 13, 2019 negative
Insight
Mauboussin: Institutional Agency Friction Drives Harmful Action Bias Over Patience
“If there's poor performance, alarm bells come up and down the chain and the committee doesn't say like, Let's do nothing. They always say, like, we should do something, right? So this notion, and by the way, I think it's a Western thing, maybe an American thin…”
Michael Mauboussin May 13, 2019 ▶ 49:44 Michael Mauboussin – Who's on the Other Side (Capital Allocators, EP.99)
Jul 8, 2019 positive
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Florida SBA Bought Cheap Secondaries From Cash-Strapped Endowments During 2008
“So there were lots of very prestigious institutions, endowments and what have you, who were longer illiquid investments, and particularly those subject to capital calls, than they realized they were. And they got in a liquidity pinch In late oh eight, early oh…”
Ash Williams Jul 8, 2019 ▶ 38:45 Ash Williams – Florida SBA's Reigning Chief (Capital Allocator, EP.104)
Oct 14, 2019 negative
Insight
Girotto: Manager bonuses steer endowments away from long-term assets like farmland
“I think a lot of that disconnect comes by creating financial incentives, you know, bonuses and things like that for the investment manager that actually steer them away from things that the client should actually be investing in. And I see that often in farmla…”
Jay Girotto Oct 14, 2019 ▶ 38:52 Jay Girotto – Farmland Opportunity (First Meeting, EP.10)
Oct 21, 2019 neutral
Assertion Supported
Marshall: Hewlett receives no new capital inflows unlike endowments and sovereigns
“We don't have inflows of capital. So an endowment, an insurance company, a sovereign wealth fund, they're always putting money, new money to work. We don't have any new money. We just have existing money.”
Ana Marshall Oct 21, 2019 ▶ 39:37 Ana Marshall – Applied Direct Investing at the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation (Capital Allocators, EP.111)
Dec 2, 2019
Insight
Martin: Small Endowments Have Capital for Niche Investments But Lack Staff
“Great paradox of the small endowment is that we have the capital base to do really interesting things, but we don't have the people in terms of resources on your team.”
Anne Martin Dec 2, 2019 ▶ 37:53 Anne Martin - Pulling the Oars as CIO of Wesleyan University (Capital Allocators, EP.114)
Jan 27, 2020 positive
Insight
Seides: Only a few dozen capital pools succeed using the endowment model
“Most of the people in those seats pursuing these strategies all will tell you that there are only a few dozen pools of capital that are properly structured to pursue these and succeed. It requires an army of people, a small army of people, a small army of tale…”
Ted Seides Jan 27, 2020 ▶ 16:16 Ted Seides – A Rational Reminder (Capital Allocators, EP.121)
Mar 9, 2020 neutral
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Hamilton: Few non-university endowments have analytics to pinpoint return drivers
“Because at this point, there aren't many endowments that can do that. I'm sure universities can, but everybody else, it's difficult to get those analytics, even working with a lot of great groups like we do.”
Christy Hamilton Mar 9, 2020 ▶ 44:21 Christie Hamilton – Tweeting on Allocation at Children's Health (Capital Allocators, EP.124)
Apr 6, 2020 bearish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Peters: Portfolios leveraging pseudo-diversification will be the worst performers
“I think we're going to find that the portfolios that applied that logic to the greatest degree are the worst performing. And so that behavior will be significantly curtailed, whether it's through regulation or whether it's through investment committees and end…”
Eric Peters Apr 6, 2020 ▶ 42:08 Eric Peters – Trading and Evolution at One River (First Meeting, EP.18)
May 11, 2020 neutral
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Siegel: Endowments will no longer achieve outsized investment returns
“They're not going to shoot the lights out because those opportunities don't exist anymore.”
Larry Siegel May 11, 2020 ▶ 38:42 Laurence Siegel – Current Myths and Long-Term Optimism (Capital Allocators, EP.137)
May 11, 2020 positive
Insight
Siegel: Illiquidity risk works if three years of expenses are reserved
“The very long-term orientation and a willingness to take some illiquidity risk is not so bad as long as you set aside enough money to pay, let's say, three years' expenses and have a healthy cash flow into the organization.”
Larry Siegel May 11, 2020 ▶ 38:59 Laurence Siegel – Current Myths and Long-Term Optimism (Capital Allocators, EP.137)
Jul 6, 2020 negative
Insight
Institutional endowments lack the expertise to execute in-house sustainable investing strategies
“With all due respect to some of the best endowments or investor groups out there, doing it internally is very complicated because you just don't have the expertise, or you see lots and lots of opportunities that are decently scaled but low return.”
Reuben Munger Jul 6, 2020 ▶ 43:37 Sustainable Investing 9: Reuben Munger – Private Capital Perspective (Capital Allocators, EP.147)
Oct 5, 2020 positive
Assertion Supported
Grinnell's endowment often held over 10% in single stock positions
“So if you look at the biggest investments in Grinnell's history, it wasn't uncommon for them to have north of 10% of the portfolio in a single individual name.”
Scott Wilson Oct 5, 2020 ▶ 16:15 Scott Wilson – Concentrated Investing at Washington University-St. Louis (Capital Allocators, EP. 159)
Mar 18, 2021 neutral
Assertion Supported
Paul: Endowments and Pensions Were Net Sellers in 2008 Crisis
“The reality was in the financial crisis, endowments and pensions were net sellers, not net buyers.”
Ari Paul Mar 18, 2021 ▶ 13:01 Crypto for Institutions 4: Ari Paul – Exploiting Inefficiencies in Crypto Trading (Capital Allocators, EP.183)
Mar 18, 2021 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Paul: Direct Bitcoin Ownership Will Be Operationally Easy for Endowments Soon
“But my guess is that in another year, that's similarly will feel not like a terribly difficult allocation decision operationally.”
Ari Paul Mar 18, 2021 ▶ 52:12 Crypto for Institutions 4: Ari Paul – Exploiting Inefficiencies in Crypto Trading (Capital Allocators, EP.183)
Mar 22, 2021 neutral
Insight
Seides: Endowments and Foundations Share Similar Investment Mindsets
“Because the type of capital that an endowment runs or a foundation runs is similar compared to a pension fund or compared to a wealth advisor, they do tend to have a similar way of looking at the world. Because of the nature of the capital.”
Ted Seides Mar 22, 2021 ▶ 10:14 Ted with Patrick O'Shaughnessy – Lessons from the World's Elite Money Managers (Capital Allocators, EP.184)
Apr 26, 2021 positive
Opinion
Multi-strategy fund structures eliminate the existential operational risks of single-strategy firms
“I think a lot of endowments take the approach that we only invest with single strategy firms. And I get that, but I would argue vehemently against that. I think there's been huge benefits to us having the various strategies and the benefits are to both us and …”
Brian Bares Apr 26, 2021 ▶ 56:43 Brian Bares – Qualitative Concentration at BCM (Capital Allocators, EP.191)
May 24, 2021 positive
Opinion
Monk: Pension funds and endowments are Earth's most important organizations
“I really truly do believe, Ted, that these are the most important organizations on the earth, and that's full stop. I don't even have a caveat around that or a constraint.”
Ashby Monk May 24, 2021 ▶ 6:20 Ashby Monk – Innovation in Institutional Portfolios (Capital Allocators, EP.196)
May 24, 2021 negative
Assertion Supported
Monk: Most public pensions and endowments lack aligned definitions of success
“I've done this in a research project in the last four years, and I have to tell you, I was blown away that most of these organizations actually have different definitions of success.”
Ashby Monk May 24, 2021 ▶ 9:05 Ashby Monk – Innovation in Institutional Portfolios (Capital Allocators, EP.196)
Sep 23, 2021 neutral
Insight
Trivedi: Venture funds need diverse LP bases because allocator categories cycle out
“What you've seen across decades of the venture industry is that different pools of capital can go in and out of the venture market. There have been times where endowments have pulled out of the asset class because they face liquidity challenges and their own o…”
Nikhil Basu Trivedi Sep 23, 2021 ▶ 40:59 Mike Smith and Nikhil Basu Trivedi – Footwork Ventures (Manager Meetings, EP.12)
Oct 25, 2021 neutral
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Volent predicts endowments will eventually face mandatory carbon footprint financial disclosures
“But I do think as time goes on, endowments are gonna have to be more transparent in their financial statements about what their carbon footprints are, so that's something I'm interested in.”
Paula Volent Oct 25, 2021 ▶ 35:04 Paula Volent – Star Endowment Manager's Next Act at Rockefeller University (Capital Allocators, EP.219)
Nov 29, 2021 negative
Insight
Cocke: Short-term trading strategies forfeit endowments' perpetual duration advantage
“A lot of funds are fairly short term trying to pick quarters or events or trades or macro, and I often think that forfeits a big part of the competitive advantage that endowments have.”
Chas Cocke Nov 29, 2021 ▶ 14:43 Chas Cocke - From Allocator to Manager (Capital Allocators, EP.224)
Nov 29, 2021 negative
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Cocke: A $10 billion endowment likely paid $500M in fees in 2021
“I would bet that if you looked at a ten billion dollar endowment in fiscal year, 20, 21, it would shock me if they didn't pay at least Five hundred million dollars in fees in fiscal year, 20, 21. It wouldn't surprise me if it's even higher than that.”
Chas Cocke Nov 29, 2021 ▶ 28:00 Chas Cocke - From Allocator to Manager (Capital Allocators, EP.224)
Apr 18, 2022
Assertion Supported
Rockefeller withdrew an extra year of spending for historical scientist lawsuits
“Rockefeller had a very unfortunate circumstance with one of their scientists, and there were a lot of lawsuits that came through. That we had to basically take an extra year's worth of spend out of the endowment at Rockefeller to help pay for a lot of these la…”
Tom Lenehan Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 23:22 Tom Lenehan – Taking the Helm at the Wallace Foundation (Capital Allocators, EP.246)
May 5, 2022 negative
Opinion
Drobny: Endowments are not smart money; committees just fund obvious investments
“People think endowments are the smart money, and I disagree. I think endowments are often run by committee And of a dozen smart people in the room that are paid a lot of money that give money to the obvious stuff. And committees kind of push people towards tha…”
Steve Drobny May 5, 2022 ▶ 39:33 Steve Drobny – Where the World is Going at Clocktower Group (Manager Meeting, 30)
May 16, 2022 neutral
Disclosure
Makena's venture capital allocation will never reach 20% to 30%
“We have slowly built this up and we will continue to slowly build it up just a little further. It will never get up to the size that you see in some of the largest endowments that, you know, over 20% or in some instances over 30%.”
Larry Kochard May 16, 2022 ▶ 29:08 Larry Kochard – From Endowment Professor to OCIO Chief at Makena Capital (Capital Allocators, EP.250)
Dec 12, 2022 neutral
Assertion Partly supported
Harvard Faculty of Arts and Sciences gets over half income from endowment
“Harvard, on the other hand, has every tub on its own bottom, so the Faculty of Arts and Sciences gets More than half of its income every year through the endowment, but the Divinity School does not, and the School of Education gets almost nothing from the endo…”
Charlie Ellis Dec 12, 2022 ▶ 19:14 Charley Ellis - Figuring Out Investing and Vanguard (Capital Allocators, EP.286)
May 1, 2023 negative
Assertion Supported
Monk: Asset owner boards lack tech and data leaders
“I don't see a lot of technologists sitting on boards of directors of pension funds or sovereign funds or endowments. You see lots of ex-finance professionals. You see lots of representative people coming out of the constituencies, teachers, firemen, public emp…”
Ashby Monk May 1, 2023 ▶ 17:53 Ashby Monk – Investor Identity, Navigation, and Resilience (Capital Allocators, EP.312)
May 8, 2023 negative
Insight
Endowments derail performance by panicking or over-risking at peaks
“What happens is people change strategy and or panic sometimes in really bad times, and that can set you back for a long period of time, and or organizations take on way too much risk at what appears to be a great time, but it's actually the absolute worst time…”
Tony Yoseloff May 8, 2023 ▶ 54:58 Tony Yoseloff – Forty Years of Davidson Kempner (Capital Allocators, EP.313)
May 8, 2023 bullish
Insight
There is no 100-year money due to institutional spend rates
“The things that sometimes people forget is there's really no hundred year money. So there are institutions that have money that will be around for a long time. But most institutions have a spend rate, and even the best institutions may have enough reserves tha…”
Tony Yoseloff May 8, 2023 ▶ 56:52 Tony Yoseloff – Forty Years of Davidson Kempner (Capital Allocators, EP.313)
Sep 4, 2023
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Birmingham: Top 11 endowments gather annually for operational peer benchmarking
“It's about 11 of the biggest endowments, and it's all of the people that hold positions like me, and basically we have a day where we just talk about what are the five most important things going on in your organization.”
Jen Birmingham Sep 4, 2023 ▶ 20:04 Jenn Birmingham – Organizational Alpha at PRINCO (EP. 336)
Nov 6, 2023 neutral
Assertion Supported
Thacker: Rice University endowment covers 40% of operating budget
“It's 40% of the budget is covered by the endowment.”
Allison Thacker Nov 6, 2023 ▶ 16:39 Allison Thacker – Different Perspectives and Different Assets at Rice University (EP.348)
Nov 23, 2023 bullish
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Seides: Venture capital has driven top endowment returns for decades
“Another example of that was the venture capital world, which has really driven a lot of the high-end endowment returns for decades.”
Ted Seides Nov 23, 2023 ▶ 10:48 Ted Seides – Unlocking Investment Wisdom (EP.352)
Dec 18, 2023 bearish
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Sernovitz: A Major Endowment Stated That Growth Equity Does Not Work
“A big endowment just said growth equity doesn't work.”
Gary Sernovitz Dec 18, 2023 ▶ 28:25 Gary Sernovitz - Inside the CIO Seat (EP.357)
Jan 8, 2024 neutral
Insight
Marshall: Receiving a transformative gift forces an endowment to start over
“If you're an institution that already has had perhaps a smaller endowment and they get a big gift, it's as if you start over.”
Ana Marshall Jan 8, 2024 ▶ 12:53 Ana Marshall – The Climb to Investment Excellence (EP.360)
Jan 22, 2024 positive
Insight
Franklin: Smaller endowments benefit by concentrating capital in early-stage managers
“There are benefits to being small. There are also obviously benefits to being large, but we are able to be very concentrated as a result of that. We are also Able to access fund managers that might have smaller funds or be a bit earlier in their life cycle bec…”
Tilly Franklin Jan 22, 2024 ▶ 32:13 Tilly Franklin – Endowment Model at Cambridge University (EP.363)
Apr 1, 2024
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Schumann: Most foundations lacked professional investment staff in the late 1990s
“And I think at the time, foundations were a lot sleepier than endowments. Most of them did not have professional staffs.”
Ellen Schumann Apr 1, 2024 ▶ 7:56 Training Grounds – Carnegie Corporation of New York (EP.377)
Apr 22, 2024
Opinion
Morehead: Endowments are less complex than hedge fund portfolios
“At the end of the day, running an endowment isn't any different than running any other portfolio. In fact, based on what endowments are invested in, they're a lot less complex than a lot of hedge fund portfolios. They're predominantly long biased.”
David Morehead Apr 22, 2024 ▶ 13:46 David Morehead – Top Down Allocation at Baylor (EP.381)
Apr 22, 2024
Insight
Morehead: Private capital calls make endowment liquidity management uniquely tricky
“Now, I would say the one thing that I found that is dramatically different Is the cash flow liquidity piece. That I think is very tricky to get that right. That takes a lot of thought and a lot of anticipation and forecasting and thinking through how you're go…”
David Morehead Apr 22, 2024 ▶ 14:08 David Morehead – Top Down Allocation at Baylor (EP.381)
Apr 29, 2024 neutral
Assertion Supported
Johnson: Most Endowments Maintain 5% to 10% Bond Allocations
“Asset allocation doesn't tend to vary that dramatically. Most endowments tend to have an equity bias. Their bonds are going to be somewhere between five and 10%.”
Letitia Johnson Apr 29, 2024 ▶ 16:19 Letitia Johnson - Concentrated and Long-Term at Amherst College (EP.382)
Apr 29, 2024 positive
Insight
Johnson: Manager Selection Matters as Much as Asset Allocation
“There's a real difference that comes in in the manager selection piece. And I think one of the things that I started to realize over time is that the manager selection piece is as important and as impactful”
Letitia Johnson Apr 29, 2024 ▶ 16:31 Letitia Johnson - Concentrated and Long-Term at Amherst College (EP.382)
Sep 9, 2024
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Public pensions and endowments are among the only unlevered capital pools
“It's a pension fund is not levered. So it's one of the only pools of capital on the planet that doesn't actually have balance sheet leverage. So you're talking about a public pension funds, endowments, and sovereign wealth funds. These are the unlevered pools …”
Jace Auby Sep 9, 2024 ▶ 13:28 Jase Auby - Risk, Size, and Talent at Texas Teachers (EP.404)
Sep 30, 2024
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Salem: Finance and endowment investing were deeply contrarian early career paths
“It took about two weeks of immersion in not-for-profit management to realize that the real action was in the endowments. It was early on when investment management, I could even say finance broadly defined, were extremely unpopular. It was a non-consensus, con…”
David Salem Sep 30, 2024 ▶ 8:49 David Salem - Investment Wisdom from the Owner's Box (EP.409)
Oct 21, 2024 neutral
Assertion Supported
Briner: Early endowments heavily backed hedge funds shorting 2001 tech crash
“Many of the endowments were invested heavily in hedge funds that shorted the tech rec in 2001.”
Brad Briner Oct 21, 2024 ▶ 15:26 Brad Briner - Family Office to Public Service (EP.413)
Oct 21, 2024 neutral
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Briner: Late 1990s endowments were passive retirement posts for alumni
“Many endowments at that time were essentially where alumni went to retire after a successful career, and they put in some stocks and some bonds, and they didn't really do a whole lot, and so that profession was evolving massively at the time, in part the tech …”
Brad Briner Oct 21, 2024 ▶ 12:54 Brad Briner - Family Office to Public Service (EP.413)
Apr 14, 2025 bearish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Gave: Pension Funds and Endowments Will Relentlessly Rebalance Away From Privates
“They've outperformed so much that the rebalancing that you're going to see in every pension fund, in every endowment, away from these strategies back towards listed equities or back towards, frankly, just bonds, it should be relentless.”
Louis-Vincent Gave Apr 14, 2025 ▶ 44:13 Geopolitical Uncertainty – James Aitken, Louis-Vincent Gave, and Marko Papic (EP.440)
Nov 10, 2025 negative
Insight
Ripley: Endowments wrongly prioritize manager pedigree over strategy base rates
“I tend to weight the quality of the game the manager's playing more heavily than most do. Most of the endowments I talk to tend to say we're looking for the best people, and the quality of what they're trying to do, or how hard it is, or the base rates around …”
Jay Ripley Nov 10, 2025 ▶ 55:23 Jay Ripley – Emerging Manager Selection at GEM (EP.470)
Nov 24, 2025 positive
Assertion Contradicted
Kelly: Evergreen Funds Drive Secondary Demand for Endowment Private Equity
“If you take endowments that are looking at selling some of their private equity and venture positions, the primary demand for those secondary positions are coming from evergreen private equity vehicles.”
Mike Kelly Nov 24, 2025 ▶ 55:05 Michael Kelly – Democratizing Access to the Middle Market at Future Standard (EP.473)
Apr 6, 2026 negative
Opinion
Private Asset Obsession Destroyed Endowments' Ability to Invest Countercyclically
“Historically, endowments have done a great job of that, but in the last 10 or 15 years with the obsession of private assets, that tool has been taken out of the toolkit.”
Bruce MacDonald Apr 6, 2026 ▶ 29:01 Bruce MacDonald – The Playbook for Building a Mid-Sized Endowment from Scratch (EP.495)
Apr 6, 2026 positive
Insight
Liquidating Legacy Portfolios Let Allocators Build Culture and Process Faster
“If you keep those portfolios, you're going to spend most of your time reviewing what's in there, slowly changing things out and adding new stuff. Whereas if you start over and start from scratch, you get to build the institutional knowledge from day one. You g…”
Bruce MacDonald Apr 6, 2026 ▶ 24:25 Bruce MacDonald – The Playbook for Building a Mid-Sized Endowment from Scratch (EP.495)
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