Value Investing

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Wagner: Cheap value investing fails because tech disruption accelerates business decline
“One of the reasons that value investors have underperformed in the last 10 years is that There's a lot of technological disruption that's taking place, and it takes place faster than it used to. When we underwrite a mediocre business and we project out cash fl…”
Herb Wagner Sep 22, 2025 ▶ 22:46 Herb Wagner – Opportunistic Value at Finepoint Capital (EP.460)
Klarman: Value investing is an intellectual inoculation investors instantly grasp or reject
“Buffett also in that article makes the observation that value investing is something not everybody is comfortable with. But that it's like an inoculation. When you get introduced to the approach, either it makes sense and you get it or you don't.”
Seth Klarman Jul 17, 2023 ▶ 24:48 Seth Klarman – Timeless Value Investing (EP.328)
Klarman: Technological secular change makes modern value investing harder than Graham's era
“An investor has to be thinking about not just cyclical change, like Graham and Dodd were worried about in the Depression, but secular change as well, and the combination of that, I think, has made investing harder and value investing harder”
Seth Klarman Jul 17, 2023 ▶ 37:55 Seth Klarman – Timeless Value Investing (EP.328)
Klarman: Without catalysts, being early and being wrong look identical
“The hardest thing about value investing without catalysts is you can own something that's out of favor for an incredibly long time and over five or 10 or longer year period. Looking, being early and being wrong look exactly the same, and you can start to get c…”
Seth Klarman Jul 17, 2023 ▶ 53:41 Seth Klarman – Timeless Value Investing (EP.328)
Klarman: The 15-year rotation from value to growth was a big overshoot
“Money has tended to flow into growth and out of value, some of which, by the way, justifiably, because disruption and a lot of businesses have had their long-term prospects damaged, but nevertheless, I think, in many ways, a big overshoot as people have become…”
Seth Klarman Jul 17, 2023 ▶ 1:18:08 Seth Klarman – Timeless Value Investing (EP.328)
20VC Insight
Levin: Buying high-multiple growth companies can still be value investing
“Value investing also can be buying something at a very expensive multiple or a very high, I shouldn't say expensive, I should say a very high multiple, but that there's value there because of what you believe in the growth and the future.”
Joey Levin Feb 24, 2023 ▶ 10:28 IAC CEO Joey Levin: Why Value Investing is BS; The Most Insane Element of SPACs | 20VC #982 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
ACQUIRED Insight
Howard Marks: The Value Versus Growth Dichotomy Should Not Be Hardwired
“And by the way, when I say the value investor does this and the growth investor does that, Probably the biggest single theme of the memo was that that dichotomy should not be so hardwired.”
Howard Marks Aug 30, 2022 ▶ 17:01 Howard Marks & Andrew Marks: Something of Value · Acquired
CAPITAL ALLOCATORS Assertion Supported
Smith: Value investing was the predominant model in Japan from 1992 to ~2015
“The period from 1992 after the initial bursting of the bubble really Up until I think the global financial crisis and beyond, until we got into a global era of zero rates around 2015 or 20 16, value investing was the predominant form of investing, and certainl…”
Howard Smith Aug 18, 2022 ▶ 16:44 Howard Smith – Japanese Equities at Indus Capital (Manager Meetings, EP.35)
NEON SHOW Insight
Gautam Baid: Value investing works by exploiting investors' fear of volatility
“Capitalizing on others desire to avoid volatility is what makes, makes value investing work.”
Gautam Baid Feb 7, 2022 ▶ 22:12 The Joys of COMPOUNDING with Gautam Baid!
NEON SHOW Insight
Baid: Maximum returns come from buying capex plays during downcycles
“You want to buy these big capex plays during the industry down cycle and then patiently hold on to them till the industry upcycle is in full force. This is how you reap maximum capital appreciation, and this is how you get the big, big multi-bag returns.”
Gautam Baid Feb 7, 2022 ▶ 39:15 The Joys of COMPOUNDING with Gautam Baid!
Growth, Not Value, Is the Best Currency Hedge in Emerging Markets
“The currency risk is relatively expensive most of the time. So the best hedge for the currency and for volatility is growth in emerging market. It's not value.”
Florian Bartunek Jan 20, 2022 ▶ 20:19 Florian Bartunek – Equities in Brazil at Constellation Asset Management (Manager Meetings, EP.27)
Kaluzny's biggest regret: sticking to value and missing the recent growth boom
“Candidly, the single largest investment regret I have is having traditionally been a value investor, not having recognized the power of growth over the last five years. And pivoting our portfolio to embrace those models at what appeared to me to be relatively …”
Stefan Kaluzny Oct 21, 2021 ▶ 23:36 Stefan Kaluzny – Sycamore Partners [Manager Meetings, EP.16]
Black: The competitive edge of crunching numbers no longer exists
“And that's one of the lessons I think that I've learned over the last 30 years is the competitive advantage of just crunching numbers doesn't exist anymore. Maybe 30 or 40 years ago it did, but not today.”
Paul Black Sep 16, 2021 ▶ 32:26 Ryan Batchelor – Clifford Capital Partners (Manager Meetings, EP.11)
Batchelor: Value investing generates alpha because people fear looking dumb
“When you're a contrarian and things go wrong, you look like an idiot, and that's an occupational hazard that a contrarian has to live with. Maybe it's something in my personality type that I'm okay looking dumb occasionally, but that psychological difficulty i…”
Ryan Batchelor Sep 16, 2021 ▶ 34:32 Ryan Batchelor – Clifford Capital Partners (Manager Meetings, EP.11)
Trigg: Moat and Culture Durability Outperforms Short-Term Value Investing
“Focusing on The qualitative assessments of a business around moats and culture and how that translates into the durability of a company's growth rate. I think that is far more predictive of a successful investment than trying to find things waiting for price b…”
Mike Trigg Nov 2, 2020 ▶ 38:23 Mike Trigg – Defying the Fade at WCM (Capital Allocators, EP.162)
Marshall: Undervaluation alone is insufficient without a market catalyst
“It's never enough for me to just be looking at understanding a long-term undervaluation, you've got to have a catalyst which will draw people's attention to the valuation.”
Sir Paul Marshall Sep 21, 2020 ▶ 8:48 Paul Marshall – 10 ½ Lessons from 23 years at Marshall Wace (Capital Allocators, EP.157)
Applying value investing's loss-avoidance mindset guarantees failure in venture capital
“Where finding the thing that could be amazing is the opposite of making sure you don't lose money, right? Sort of venture capital portfolios and value investing portfolios have the opposite skews. I grew up learning that you'll do well if you never lose any mo…”
Reuben Munger Jul 6, 2020 ▶ 10:47 Sustainable Investing 9: Reuben Munger – Private Capital Perspective (Capital Allocators, EP.147)
CAPITAL ALLOCATORS Assertion Supported
Inker: Pre-2020 value investing drought mirrors the 1994-1999 era
“2000 to 2002 was a wonderful period for value. The similarity to the 1994 to 1999 period is this has been another dreadful period for value as a strategy. We see that kind of on a individual stock level. It's also been a lousy period for valuation driven inves…”
Ben Inker Mar 30, 2020 ▶ 25:34 Ben Inker – Value Investing at GMO (First Meeting, EP.17)
Inker: Allocators lack 1990s-level disgust for value investing
“We don't see that level of disgust with the idea of value today that we did back then.”
Ben Inker Mar 30, 2020 ▶ 28:06 Ben Inker – Value Investing at GMO (First Meeting, EP.17)
Fontana: Early-Stage AI Investing Is Effectively Value Investing
“You could actually think of what we do as value investing in a way, because what we do is we price the risk that a company can actually generate this really valuable prediction. And when we meet a company, they're probably at 30 to 50% accuracy on a model, whi…”
Ash Fontana Oct 28, 2019 ▶ 31:01 Ash Fontana – Investing in Artificial Intelligence at Zetta Ventures (First Meeting, EP.11)
CAPITAL ALLOCATORS Assertion Supported
O'Shaughnessy: Value Stocks Continue Generating Marginal Alpha for Up to 10 Years
“So if you buy in value today, you, on average, earn a little bit of alpha for a really long time. Most of it's early on, but you continue to earn marginal monthly alpha for up to 10 years.”
Patrick O'Shaughnessy Jun 10, 2019 ▶ 17:43 Patrick O'Shaughnessy – O'Shaughnessy Asset Management (First Meeting, EP.01)
O'Shaughnessy: Factor alpha comes from execution discipline, not awareness
“That says that the source of the excess return is not knowing about the thing. It's doing the thing.”
Patrick O'Shaughnessy Jun 10, 2019 ▶ 44:18 Patrick O'Shaughnessy – O'Shaughnessy Asset Management (First Meeting, EP.01)
Batnick: Even the best analysts face limits with value investing
“You could be the best business analyst in the world, and you might have a great long-term track record and things might be okay, but there are limits to value investing, obviously.”
Michael Batnick Oct 8, 2018 ▶ 13:02 Michael Batnick - The Best Investors and Their Biggest Mistakes (Capital Allocators, EP.71)
Buchheit: There is literally no such thing as value investing in startups
“There really literally is no such thing as value investing in startups.”
Paul Buchheit Mar 7, 2018 ▶ 29:52 Paul Buchheit - Startup Investor School Day 2 · Y Combinator
Altman: Value Investing Fails for Angel Investors Most of the Time
“I think value investing is not a winning strategy when it comes to being an angel investor most of the time.”
Sam Altman Mar 6, 2018 ▶ 13:38 Sam Altman - Startup Investor School Day 1 · Y Combinator
CAPITAL ALLOCATORS Assertion Supported
Yale's 1990s equity portfolios were deliberately biased toward small-cap value
“In the early nineties, Yale's US equity portfolio and international equity portfolio long only were by choice biased towards small cap and value.”
Ted Seides Aug 7, 2017 ▶ 44:00 Kip McDaniel – CIO Whisperer (Capital Allocators, EP.20)
Deep-value investing fails if the underlying asset value does not grow
“Cause it's not enough to find a 50 cent dollar bill, Warren realized, if the dollar value didn't grow. Because to recognize that discount, you'd had to somehow close it, and your internal rate of return depended entirely on how quickly that happened. And so if…”
Tom Russo Jul 10, 2017 ▶ 7:39 Thomas Russo – Buy and Hold...and Then What (Capital Allocators, EP.16)
TOP FOUNDERS Assertion Partly supported
Town: Ben Graham Averaged 22% Annual Returns Through Depression and WWII
“Ben Graham, who sort of developed the ideas of value investing back in the thirties and forties, when he made about 22% per year through the depression in World War II, with what amounts to, in today's dollars, a billion dollar fund”
Phil Town Feb 16, 2017 ▶ 2:58 EP 572: 400,000 Books Sold Teach How to Take $1000 to $1.5m with Author Phil Town
20VC Insight
Willis: Value investing does not work in private company markets
“Value investing doesn't work in, in private company markets.”
Tyler Willis Feb 17, 2016 ▶ 5:44 20VC: Tyler Willis on How To Be Innovative With Customer Acquisition and The Future Of Innovation

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