Smith: Startups can win AI search visibility quickly via multi-channel offsite content
“If I'm making viral YouTube videos and you know, a TikTok video and an Instagram story and a Reddit thread, I can be the best product tomorrow. So the time to impact is fast and I can grow on these other channels without really having a substantial brand.”
Smith: ClearScope will launch the first AI content optimization tool
“I believe by the time this podcast gets published, ClearScope will show the first optimization tool.”
Smith: AEO software tools are defenseless commodities
“Who's unique and special? And the answer is no one. If, because it's impossible to be unique and special, And the reason it's impossible to be unique and special is because these are not hard to build. These are commodity. These are easy to build relatively co…”
Smith: Half of newly published internet content is AI-generated
“We just posted an original piece of original research showing that half of the content published on the internet is generated by AI.”
Ethan Smith helped popularize '10 Best' title tags and app download interstitials
“I would say I also played a significant role in the 10 best, the 10 best X for Y title tags Like, 15 years ago. And I also played a substantial role in the download interstitials that said, sorry, you can't use the mobile website, you have to download the app.…”
Ethan Smith: AI is only the second-biggest shift in SEO history
“That was probably the biggest shift, which is Google introduced a bunch of algorithms, Panda and similar things to prevent you from doing spam. So essentially you went from SEO being spam to not spam. That was probably the biggest change. And then this is prob…”
Smith: Influencing LLM core pre-trained models takes a year
“Most of what I'm describing is about the RAG piece, not the core model piece to influence the core model is probably extremely hard. And maybe you will see the impact a year later.”
Smith: Majority of SEO and AEO best practices are incorrect
“SEO and AEO are both interesting in that the majority of the information and best practices are not correct. And the reason why is because people don't do analysis. Somebody will say something and then it will get repeated and everyone, and then it becomes bes…”
Smith: Buy the cheapest answer or keyword tracking tool available
“My general suggestion is pick the one that, pick the cheapest one that does what you need. Just like keyword tracking, you can only, you know, there's not a premium version of keyword tracking. You rank number three or you don't. So pick the keyword tracker th…”
Smith: LLM answer volatility requires control groups in AEO testing
“We are seeing a fair amount of variance in answers just without doing anything at all. So you definitely want a control group.”
Smith: Feeding AI derivatives into RAG collapses output diversity into single opinions
“If you feed in derivatives of derivatives into the model, you will basically take the wisdom of the crowd and that will shrink and you'll have a single opinion on everything, which is really bad.”
Smith: Help center subdomains perform worse than subdirectories
“It's frequently on a subdomain for whatever reason, subdomains don't work well to subdirectories. So move it to a subdirectory.”
Smith: Community-generated help content captures long-tail LLM citations
“I might even open up to the community. Anyone can ask anything because the community will then fill in the tail and then answer those. And again, in many cases, there might be nobody talking about this at all. So you could be the only citation for this and the…”
Smith: Non-SEO Website Traffic Acts as a Domain Authority Signal
“Your non SEO traffic is actually an authority signal.”
Ethan Smith: SEO addressable market must include audience competitors, not just product rivals
“There are product competitors and audience competitors. So for something like I'm at a WeWork right now. So for WeWork, I could look at the traffic for other, you know, rental office companies, or I could look at companies that are ranking for the kinds of thi…”
Ethan Smith: SEO growth is driven by programmatic and editorial content, not bug fixing
“Technical SEO is mostly internal link architecture and a few other things and bugs, but that's not how you grow. The way that you grow is with programmatic and with editorial SEO.”
Ethan Smith: Built-in UGC and product data drastically reduce SEO competition scope
“So if you have no content at all and no UGC, then scope is higher to compete in the address for market. If you have a ton of UGC like Glassdoor, then scope is lower. So the more UGC you have, the more like for Zillow, the more addresses you have for a shopping…”
Ethan Smith: Creating individual pages for every keyword variation no longer works
“You don't want a page for every single keyword. So when I started in SEO, you would have a category page for every single keyword. And so I was at a shopping site. We had ten million plus pages. So every single way that you could possibly search for a product …”
Smith: A single web page typically ranks for 200 to 2,000 keywords
“And so there's typically about any given page is typically going to rank or be able to rank for about 200 to 2000 different keywords.”
Smith: Aggregate topic search volume is at least 10x single keywords
“And so if you think the, if the search volume for best cameras is a thousand, the topic of best camera is probably a 100,000. So it's probably 10 X at least the search volume of the keyword.”
Smith: SERP overlap determines whether keywords should share a page
“You can basically put in five year plan template, five year plan examples, and you can look to see how much overlap of the results are there. So the, if the results are completely different for those two keywords, you should probably have two different pages, …”
Smith: SEO results take six to nine months, faster for authoritative sites
“It depends, but usually I'll say six to nine months. But it's a function of how much authority you have and how much existing SEO traction you have. The more authority you have and the more traction, the faster it is. So if a company like Netflix makes a chang…”
Smith: Large optimized sites see SEO results within one to four weeks
“For a large site, like a Ticketmaster and eBay, it's probably one to four weeks is the rough timeline once you're really optimized.”
Smith: SEO hypotheses come from competitor analysis, not brainstorming
“Testing validates a hypothesis, but the hypotheses come from analyzing other people's sites and analyzing my own site. So that's where the valuable qualified hypotheses of what is probably working comes, comes from. It's not from brainstorming. The test valida…”
Smith: New SEO initiatives should launch before testing in month six
“If you're starting from zero and nothing exists, then you shouldn't be testing things. It should be launching things. Should be testing things once things have launched. So testing is something I would do at like month six or later. The beginning should be aro…”
Smith: Editorial SEO Requires Far Less Prior Experience Than Programmatic SEO
“It doesn't have to be a, you know, an SEO expert with deep expertise. Programmatic is where you'd want a lot of expertise over years. An SEO, but on the editorial side, you can actually pick it up if you have the right workflow and the right tools.”
Smith: Minimum Viable Editorial SEO Team Is One Strategist and One Writer
“One SEO person and one writer is the smallest groups that you could have that, that would be able to do this effectively.”
Smith: A few page archetypes cover 90% of all SEO use cases
“There's a few pages that cover probably 90% of all use cases.”
Smith: Spin underperforming subtopics out into dedicated standalone articles
“And if there's some theme where you did cover it, but you're not ranking quite as well as you want to. Break out that section of health benefit and then have a separate article for that.”
Ethan Smith: AI should assist SEO research workflows, not autonomously generate articles
“Where AI is really useful is actually all the other stuff that I talked about. So if you think about the workflow of creating content and start with, what should I be writing about? What are the subtopics? So like, 300 different keywords. What are the sub them…”