Oct 10, 2016 · 25m · top-founders
EP 443: SaaS $20M 2015 ARR, 150K Customers Giving People Quality Video, Photos, Audio with Joel Holland, CEO of VideoBlocks
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In this episode of The Top, host Nathan Latka interviews VideoBlocks founder Joel Holland to explore how the subscription stock media platform scaled to $26 million in revenue and 150,000 subscribers through disruptive pricing, non-dilutive debt financing, and aggressive paid acquisition.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 41.8% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Nathan as informed peer 4.7 Guest teaching 2.3 Guest disagreement 1.0 Nathan pushing back 2.4
speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 20:38 Joel criticizing public market volatility
Joel strongly dismisses public markets and stock fluctuations, describing public scrutiny and retail investors as volatile and frustrating.
Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 19:23 Nathan pushing on imminent capital raises or M&ANathan directly corners Joel with an either/or assertion that he must be currently raising capital or actively negotiating an acquisition.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 8:55 Joel explaining the Amazon Prime model distinctionJoel corrects Nathan's assumption that membership covers all assets by contrasting the pre-purchased unlimited library with the individual pay-per-clip marketplace.
Nathan holds their own ▶ 18:18 Nathan grilling on venture debt terms and interest ratesNathan shows deep familiarity with growth finance by pressing Joel on whether his venture debt interest rate is above 10% and checking for banking covenants.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Nathan as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Nathan pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Top Tribe Weekly Giveaway Announcement | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Introductory monologue, sponsor promotion, and guest introduction. No interaction between host and guest occurs. | |
| VideoBlocks Founding Story and Early Evolution | 5 | 2 | 1 | 2 | Nathan prompts Joel on the transition from a la carte to subscription revenue, calculating growth metrics on the fly while Joel details his early college origins. | |
| Content Sourcing and Marketplace Unit Economics | 6 | 3 | 1 | 3 | Nathan breaks down the ARPU math ($133/year) and challenges Joel on whether high-usage power users make customer acquisition unprofitable. | |
| Marketplace Pricing vs. Unlimited Library Strategy | 4 | 4 | 2 | 3 | Nathan misinterprets the subscription model assuming unlimited access to the entire catalogue, and Joel clarifies the distinction between the curated Unlimited Library and the 100% payout marketplace. | |
| Content Expenditure, Churn Reduction, and Analytics | 6 | 3 | 1 | 3 | Nathan quickly calculates monthly run rates and monthly churn averages while Joel breaks down how shifting from monthly billing to annual plans improved customer retention. | |
| Marketing Channels, Customer Acquisition, and Paid Scaling | 6 | 2 | 1 | 3 | Nathan drills down into blended CAC and LTV ratios, engaging Joel in a technical discussion regarding channel saturation and diminishing returns on ad spend. | |
| Team Structure, Funding History, and Venture Debt | 7 | 3 | 1 | 4 | Nathan asks detailed questions about debt providers, interest rates, and loan structures, prompting Joel to advise listeners on avoiding loan covenants. | |
| Long-Term Growth Strategy, Acquisition Outlook, and IPO Skepticism | 5 | 3 | 2 | 3 | Nathan tries to pin Joel down on current acquisition or fundraising moves; Joel rejects the premise and candidly vents about the downsides of public markets. | |
| The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions with Joel Holland | 3 | 1 | 0 | 1 | Standard rapid-fire questions covering personal habits, routines, and founder reflections with playful banter. |
Statements from this episode (16)
VideoBlocks is projected to generate $26M in 2016 subscription revenue
“I think we'll do about twenty six million dollars this year in revenue and that's all memberships.”
VideoBlocks has about 6,000 videographers shooting footage on spec
“It's evolved to today where we have about 6000 videographers who are shooting for us and most of them are shooting on spec.”
VideoBlocks pays marketplace contributors 100% of clip sales
“And in fact, we pay you the best in the industry, we pay you a hundred percent of what sells because we make all of our money off of memberships.”
Holland: 20% of VideoBlocks customers drive 80% of downloads
“So it is 20% of our customers who drive 80% of the downloads, and we're okay with that, because those tend to be the most engaged, and because of how inexpensive, ah, hosting and distribution is today, thanks to Amazon primarily, ah, it's very difficult. Like,…”
VideoBlocks holds 200,000 proprietary clips in its unlimited library
“There is our, what we call the unlimited library, which has a couple 100,000 clips that we've actually shot in house, or we've put helicopters in the sky to shoot.”
Holland: VideoBlocks customers download an average of 140 clips
“And on average, our customers download a 140 clips.”
VideoBlocks encourages its content creators to sell footage to competitors
“A hundred percent. And we actually encourage that because we want the shooters to make as much money as possible.”
VideoBlocks customer retention reaches 80% year one and 90% year two
“And now our retention rates are much better. They started like 80% for year one by year two, our customers are at 90%. And by year three, they're almost at a hundred percent.”
VideoBlocks uses former Capital One analysts to reduce customer churn
“So we have an entire team at video blocks called chow, which is customer insights and operations. That is, they're like former Capital One analysts who help us figure out how to keep customers longer.”
VideoBlocks spends $1M monthly on direct response marketing
“Oh man, we probably spend,
A million dollars a month.”
VideoBlocks maintains an email list of 20M to 30M users
“So we have millions of users between all of our sites.
so I, you know, our email list is probably 20 or thirty million strong.”
Holland: VideoBlocks averages a $50 blended CAC
“It really depends, but it would probably be like, 50 bucks.”
Holland: Diminishing marketing returns should kick in almost immediately
“And the answer is, if you're really good, then diminishing returns should kick in almost immediately.
You should be able to almost arbitrage channel you know, instantly.”
Holland: VideoBlocks raised under $20M total, including $10.5M Series A
“We've raised a little under twenty million to date. Our first, we did a series A in 2012, which is 10 and a half. And that came from two private equity firms Updata Partners and QED Investors, which was started by Nigel Morris, the co-founder of Capital One.”