Oct 21, 2017 · 22m · top-founders

819: AdTech: Bake Off Leads to Major Acquisition and $100m+ In Media Spend Under Management

Sandy Lohr · 11m spoken Nathan Latka · 8m spoken
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Nathan Latka interviews Matchcraft CEO Sandy Lohr about how a rigorous vendor bake-off led to the AdTech firm's acquisition by Advance Publications. Sandy explains Matchcraft's reseller-driven business model, multi-channel platform architecture, and how managing over $100 million in media spend allows them to consistently outpace industry growth benchmarks.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 44.5% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 4.5 Guest teaching 3.0 Guest disagreement 1.8 Nathan pushing back 2.6
05100:0010:0020:000:57–4:46 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Latka SaaS Database Exclusive Access Promotion After an opening solo promotion for his SaaS database, Nathan introduces Sandy and begins probing Matchcraft's business model. Sandy explains their twenty-year history and programmatic platform while establishing a friendly and cooperative tone.4:47–7:34 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Channel Distribution and Managed Service Revenue Model Nathan drills into the managed service revenue share and channel partner structure. Sandy educates him on their reliance on Google Premier Partners and why their reseller model works without direct merchant sales.7:35–10:31 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 SaaS Taxonomy Solutions and Privacy Boundaries Sandy draws a firm boundary on sharing further financial specifics by emphasizing the 'private' in privately held. Nathan immediately asserts his authority by stating he knows his audience better and defends his right to ask probing questions.10:32–13:28 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Advance Publications Background and the Strategic Bake-Off Sandy explains Advance Publications' massive portfolio and details how running an internal competitive bake-off among adtech platforms led directly to acquiring Matchcraft. Nathan follows along and connects the pieces of her career transition.13:28–15:43 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Global Team Structure and Corporate Growth Accountability Nathan inquires about headcount and whether acquisition by Advance insulated Matchcraft from startup cash-burn stress. Sandy clarifies their decentralized global team and affirms that corporate accountability maintains intense growth pressure.15:44–18:25 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Exceeding Industry Growth Benchmarks and Media Spend Scale Nathan nudges Sandy to reveal growth benchmarks and successfully gets her to confirm over 100 million dollars in managed media spend. He then steers the discussion into media industry M&A hypotheticals regarding Time Inc. and Yahoo.18:26–22:01 · Nathan as informed peer 3/10 Mid-Roll Promotion: Nathan Latka Acquires The Top Inbox Following a mid-roll advertisement for The Top Inbox, Nathan runs through the standard rapid-fire Famous Five questions. Sandy gives candid, lighthearted answers about CEO inspirations, work-life balance, and lessons on humility.22:02–22:37 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Interview Conclusion and Matchcraft Recap Nathan delivers a rapid recap of Sandy's background, Matchcraft's acquisition, and their scale before concluding the interview on warm, collaborative terms.0:57–4:46 · Guest teaching 3/10 Latka SaaS Database Exclusive Access Promotion After an opening solo promotion for his SaaS database, Nathan introduces Sandy and begins probing Matchcraft's business model. Sandy explains their twenty-year history and programmatic platform while establishing a friendly and cooperative tone.4:47–7:34 · Guest teaching 4/10 Channel Distribution and Managed Service Revenue Model Nathan drills into the managed service revenue share and channel partner structure. Sandy educates him on their reliance on Google Premier Partners and why their reseller model works without direct merchant sales.7:35–10:31 · Guest teaching 4/10 SaaS Taxonomy Solutions and Privacy Boundaries Sandy draws a firm boundary on sharing further financial specifics by emphasizing the 'private' in privately held. Nathan immediately asserts his authority by stating he knows his audience better and defends his right to ask probing questions.10:32–13:28 · Guest teaching 5/10 Advance Publications Background and the Strategic Bake-Off Sandy explains Advance Publications' massive portfolio and details how running an internal competitive bake-off among adtech platforms led directly to acquiring Matchcraft. Nathan follows along and connects the pieces of her career transition.13:28–15:43 · Guest teaching 3/10 Global Team Structure and Corporate Growth Accountability Nathan inquires about headcount and whether acquisition by Advance insulated Matchcraft from startup cash-burn stress. Sandy clarifies their decentralized global team and affirms that corporate accountability maintains intense growth pressure.15:44–18:25 · Guest teaching 3/10 Exceeding Industry Growth Benchmarks and Media Spend Scale Nathan nudges Sandy to reveal growth benchmarks and successfully gets her to confirm over 100 million dollars in managed media spend. He then steers the discussion into media industry M&A hypotheticals regarding Time Inc. and Yahoo.18:26–22:01 · Guest teaching 2/10 Mid-Roll Promotion: Nathan Latka Acquires The Top Inbox Following a mid-roll advertisement for The Top Inbox, Nathan runs through the standard rapid-fire Famous Five questions. Sandy gives candid, lighthearted answers about CEO inspirations, work-life balance, and lessons on humility.22:02–22:37 · Guest teaching 0/10 Interview Conclusion and Matchcraft Recap Nathan delivers a rapid recap of Sandy's background, Matchcraft's acquisition, and their scale before concluding the interview on warm, collaborative terms.0:57–4:46 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Latka SaaS Database Exclusive Access Promotion After an opening solo promotion for his SaaS database, Nathan introduces Sandy and begins probing Matchcraft's business model. Sandy explains their twenty-year history and programmatic platform while establishing a friendly and cooperative tone.4:47–7:34 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Channel Distribution and Managed Service Revenue Model Nathan drills into the managed service revenue share and channel partner structure. Sandy educates him on their reliance on Google Premier Partners and why their reseller model works without direct merchant sales.7:35–10:31 · Guest disagreement 6/10 SaaS Taxonomy Solutions and Privacy Boundaries Sandy draws a firm boundary on sharing further financial specifics by emphasizing the 'private' in privately held. Nathan immediately asserts his authority by stating he knows his audience better and defends his right to ask probing questions.10:32–13:28 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Advance Publications Background and the Strategic Bake-Off Sandy explains Advance Publications' massive portfolio and details how running an internal competitive bake-off among adtech platforms led directly to acquiring Matchcraft. Nathan follows along and connects the pieces of her career transition.13:28–15:43 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Global Team Structure and Corporate Growth Accountability Nathan inquires about headcount and whether acquisition by Advance insulated Matchcraft from startup cash-burn stress. Sandy clarifies their decentralized global team and affirms that corporate accountability maintains intense growth pressure.15:44–18:25 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Exceeding Industry Growth Benchmarks and Media Spend Scale Nathan nudges Sandy to reveal growth benchmarks and successfully gets her to confirm over 100 million dollars in managed media spend. He then steers the discussion into media industry M&A hypotheticals regarding Time Inc. and Yahoo.18:26–22:01 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Mid-Roll Promotion: Nathan Latka Acquires The Top Inbox Following a mid-roll advertisement for The Top Inbox, Nathan runs through the standard rapid-fire Famous Five questions. Sandy gives candid, lighthearted answers about CEO inspirations, work-life balance, and lessons on humility.22:02–22:37 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Interview Conclusion and Matchcraft Recap Nathan delivers a rapid recap of Sandy's background, Matchcraft's acquisition, and their scale before concluding the interview on warm, collaborative terms.0:57–4:46 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Latka SaaS Database Exclusive Access Promotion After an opening solo promotion for his SaaS database, Nathan introduces Sandy and begins probing Matchcraft's business model. Sandy explains their twenty-year history and programmatic platform while establishing a friendly and cooperative tone.4:47–7:34 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Channel Distribution and Managed Service Revenue Model Nathan drills into the managed service revenue share and channel partner structure. Sandy educates him on their reliance on Google Premier Partners and why their reseller model works without direct merchant sales.7:35–10:31 · Nathan pushing back 6/10 SaaS Taxonomy Solutions and Privacy Boundaries Sandy draws a firm boundary on sharing further financial specifics by emphasizing the 'private' in privately held. Nathan immediately asserts his authority by stating he knows his audience better and defends his right to ask probing questions.10:32–13:28 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Advance Publications Background and the Strategic Bake-Off Sandy explains Advance Publications' massive portfolio and details how running an internal competitive bake-off among adtech platforms led directly to acquiring Matchcraft. Nathan follows along and connects the pieces of her career transition.13:28–15:43 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Global Team Structure and Corporate Growth Accountability Nathan inquires about headcount and whether acquisition by Advance insulated Matchcraft from startup cash-burn stress. Sandy clarifies their decentralized global team and affirms that corporate accountability maintains intense growth pressure.15:44–18:25 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 Exceeding Industry Growth Benchmarks and Media Spend Scale Nathan nudges Sandy to reveal growth benchmarks and successfully gets her to confirm over 100 million dollars in managed media spend. He then steers the discussion into media industry M&A hypotheticals regarding Time Inc. and Yahoo.18:26–22:01 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Mid-Roll Promotion: Nathan Latka Acquires The Top Inbox Following a mid-roll advertisement for The Top Inbox, Nathan runs through the standard rapid-fire Famous Five questions. Sandy gives candid, lighthearted answers about CEO inspirations, work-life balance, and lessons on humility.22:02–22:37 · Nathan pushing back 0/10 Interview Conclusion and Matchcraft Recap Nathan delivers a rapid recap of Sandy's background, Matchcraft's acquisition, and their scale before concluding the interview on warm, collaborative terms.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 83% · guest 17%0:00 · Nathan 83% · guest 17%3:00 · Nathan 18.7% · guest 81.3%3:00 · Nathan 18.7% · guest 81.3%6:00 · Nathan 33.1% · guest 66.9%6:00 · Nathan 33.1% · guest 66.9%9:00 · Nathan 31.8% · guest 68.2%9:00 · Nathan 31.8% · guest 68.2%12:00 · Nathan 23% · guest 77%12:00 · Nathan 23% · guest 77%15:00 · Nathan 56.9% · guest 43.1%15:00 · Nathan 56.9% · guest 43.1%18:00 · Nathan 59% · guest 41%18:00 · Nathan 59% · guest 41%21:00 · Nathan 53.5% · guest 46.5%21:00 · Nathan 53.5% · guest 46.5%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 9:31 Sandy shuts down financial probing

Sandy explicitly tells Nathan she is putting emphasis on the 'private' in privately held and refuses to disclose further financial details.

Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 10:05 Nathan defends his line of questioning

Nathan pushes back against Sandy's refusal by declaring that he knows his audience significantly better than she does and affirming his responsibility to probe.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 7:24 Sandy explains why Google Premier Partnerships matter

Sandy breaks down how small businesses churn when managing ad campaigns alone and why platform alignment with Google PSPs drives their channel distribution.

Nathan holds their own ▶ 16:20 Nathan corners Sandy on media spend scale

Nathan uses persistent, playful pressure to get Sandy to confirm that Matchcraft processes well over 100 million dollars in annual media spend.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Latka SaaS Database Exclusive Access Promotion 4312 After an opening solo promotion for his SaaS database, Nathan introduces Sandy and begins probing Matchcraft's business model. Sandy explains their twenty-year history and programmatic platform while establishing a friendly and cooperative tone.
Channel Distribution and Managed Service Revenue Model 5413 Nathan drills into the managed service revenue share and channel partner structure. Sandy educates him on their reliance on Google Premier Partners and why their reseller model works without direct merchant sales.
SaaS Taxonomy Solutions and Privacy Boundaries 5466 Sandy draws a firm boundary on sharing further financial specifics by emphasizing the 'private' in privately held. Nathan immediately asserts his authority by stating he knows his audience better and defends his right to ask probing questions.
Advance Publications Background and the Strategic Bake-Off 5512 Sandy explains Advance Publications' massive portfolio and details how running an internal competitive bake-off among adtech platforms led directly to acquiring Matchcraft. Nathan follows along and connects the pieces of her career transition.
Global Team Structure and Corporate Growth Accountability 4313 Nathan inquires about headcount and whether acquisition by Advance insulated Matchcraft from startup cash-burn stress. Sandy clarifies their decentralized global team and affirms that corporate accountability maintains intense growth pressure.
Exceeding Industry Growth Benchmarks and Media Spend Scale 6334 Nathan nudges Sandy to reveal growth benchmarks and successfully gets her to confirm over 100 million dollars in managed media spend. He then steers the discussion into media industry M&A hypotheticals regarding Time Inc. and Yahoo.
Mid-Roll Promotion: Nathan Latka Acquires The Top Inbox 3211 Following a mid-roll advertisement for The Top Inbox, Nathan runs through the standard rapid-fire Famous Five questions. Sandy gives candid, lighthearted answers about CEO inspirations, work-life balance, and lessons on humility.
Interview Conclusion and Matchcraft Recap 4000 Nathan delivers a rapid recap of Sandy's background, Matchcraft's acquisition, and their scale before concluding the interview on warm, collaborative terms.

Statements from this episode (9)

Disclosure
Matchcraft Generated 70% of 2016 Revenue From Managed Services
“So, 70%. Was in managed service”
Sandy Lohr Oct 21, 2017 ▶ 5:08
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Matchcraft Claims the Most Google Premier Partners of Any Platform
“And we have more Google, PSP, or Premier partners than any other platform technology.”
Sandy Lohr Oct 21, 2017 ▶ 5:11
Disclosure
Matchcraft Operates Exclusively Through Reseller Channels, Avoids Direct Merchants
“Our whole sales model is strictly channel based. We don't work directly with any merchants, even though we're accountable for the results for that merchant.”
Sandy Lohr Oct 21, 2017 ▶ 5:37
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Matchcraft's Resellers Field Over 6,000 Sales Reps Across 43 Countries
“So our resellers have over 6000 sales reps globally and we're in 43 countries and we do this in 23 different languages.”
Sandy Lohr Oct 21, 2017 ▶ 6:04
Disclosure
Matchcraft Takes a 12% to 17% Cut for Managed Services
“So for our managed, I will just, I'll give you a range that it goes up to 17% for managed and it drops from there based on volume. So it could be as low as 12% for managed based on volume.”
Sandy Lohr Oct 21, 2017 ▶ 6:29
Disclosure
Matchcraft Charges SaaS Customers Up to 7% of Media Spend
“No, that would be on the high end and then based on volume.”
Sandy Lohr Oct 21, 2017 ▶ 9:15
Disclosure
Advance Local Acquired Matchcraft After Multi-Market Vendor Bake-Off
“And so we spent a lot of time doing a bake-off where we actually had competitors in each market, and guess what, drumroll, guess who won the bake-off?”
Sandy Lohr Oct 21, 2017 ▶ 12:49
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Matchcraft Claims to Grow 2x Faster Than Digital Media Benchmarks
“We are typically at least two X above any of the indicators.”
Sandy Lohr Oct 21, 2017 ▶ 16:17
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Matchcraft Processes Over $100 Million in Annual Ad Spend
“More.”
Sandy Lohr Oct 21, 2017 ▶ 16:46
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