Mar 11, 2021 · 22m · top-founders

Events.com Should Have Been Hopin, Can They Acquire Their Way Back To Top?

Mitch Thrower · 13m spoken Nathan Latka · 5m spoken Frank Bien · 4s spoken Eric Yuan · 4s spoken Vivek Bhaskaran · 2s spoken
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Nathan Latka interviews Mitch Thrower, co-founder and CEO of Events.com, on navigating pandemic disruptions, executing a rolling capital raise, and leveraging strategic acquisitions to scale an all-in-one event management platform.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 28.2% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 5.2 Guest teaching 2.2 Guest disagreement 1.7 Nathan pushing back 4.2
05100:0010:0020:002:26–5:10 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Incubator Origins and Acquiring the Events.com Domain Latka probes the company's early venture studio structure and uncovers past funding rounds. Thrower explains the historical origins and the acquisition of the domain from CBS.5:10–10:49 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Solving Event Management Fragmentation for the Mid-Market Latka cites specific Form D filing data to clarify early fundraising amounts. Thrower deflects giving current valuation figures while closing a round, instead lecturing on the mechanics and advantages of rolling fundraises.10:49–13:13 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 COVID-19 Fallout, Acquisition Pivots, and Industry Recovery Latka repeatedly presses Thrower to disclose exact revenue contraction figures for 2020 following a 2019 baseline of $16.8M. Thrower refuses to give exact numbers, describing the blow generally and pivoting to industry rebound data.13:13–17:38 · Nathan as informed peer 8/10 Video Strategy Debate: In-House Platform vs. Ecosystem Integrations Latka aggressively challenges Thrower's platform strategy by rattling off explosive revenue metrics from competitors like Hopin and vFairs during COVID. Thrower defends their mid-market agnostic integration model and concedes Latka uncovered an upcoming acquisition.17:38–20:13 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Customer Base, Monetization Model, and Software Architecture Latka asks about customer count, software tooling, monetization percentages, and engineering team size. Thrower provides straightforward metrics and details on their API-driven business model.20:14–22:00 · Nathan as informed peer 3/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Standard Famous Five round where Thrower shares his favorite books, CEO inspirations, and life advice about placing oneself where financial value moves rather than merely following passion.2:26–5:10 · Guest teaching 2/10 Incubator Origins and Acquiring the Events.com Domain Latka probes the company's early venture studio structure and uncovers past funding rounds. Thrower explains the historical origins and the acquisition of the domain from CBS.5:10–10:49 · Guest teaching 3/10 Solving Event Management Fragmentation for the Mid-Market Latka cites specific Form D filing data to clarify early fundraising amounts. Thrower deflects giving current valuation figures while closing a round, instead lecturing on the mechanics and advantages of rolling fundraises.10:49–13:13 · Guest teaching 2/10 COVID-19 Fallout, Acquisition Pivots, and Industry Recovery Latka repeatedly presses Thrower to disclose exact revenue contraction figures for 2020 following a 2019 baseline of $16.8M. Thrower refuses to give exact numbers, describing the blow generally and pivoting to industry rebound data.13:13–17:38 · Guest teaching 3/10 Video Strategy Debate: In-House Platform vs. Ecosystem Integrations Latka aggressively challenges Thrower's platform strategy by rattling off explosive revenue metrics from competitors like Hopin and vFairs during COVID. Thrower defends their mid-market agnostic integration model and concedes Latka uncovered an upcoming acquisition.17:38–20:13 · Guest teaching 1/10 Customer Base, Monetization Model, and Software Architecture Latka asks about customer count, software tooling, monetization percentages, and engineering team size. Thrower provides straightforward metrics and details on their API-driven business model.20:14–22:00 · Guest teaching 2/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Standard Famous Five round where Thrower shares his favorite books, CEO inspirations, and life advice about placing oneself where financial value moves rather than merely following passion.2:26–5:10 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Incubator Origins and Acquiring the Events.com Domain Latka probes the company's early venture studio structure and uncovers past funding rounds. Thrower explains the historical origins and the acquisition of the domain from CBS.5:10–10:49 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Solving Event Management Fragmentation for the Mid-Market Latka cites specific Form D filing data to clarify early fundraising amounts. Thrower deflects giving current valuation figures while closing a round, instead lecturing on the mechanics and advantages of rolling fundraises.10:49–13:13 · Guest disagreement 2/10 COVID-19 Fallout, Acquisition Pivots, and Industry Recovery Latka repeatedly presses Thrower to disclose exact revenue contraction figures for 2020 following a 2019 baseline of $16.8M. Thrower refuses to give exact numbers, describing the blow generally and pivoting to industry rebound data.13:13–17:38 · Guest disagreement 4/10 Video Strategy Debate: In-House Platform vs. Ecosystem Integrations Latka aggressively challenges Thrower's platform strategy by rattling off explosive revenue metrics from competitors like Hopin and vFairs during COVID. Thrower defends their mid-market agnostic integration model and concedes Latka uncovered an upcoming acquisition.17:38–20:13 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Customer Base, Monetization Model, and Software Architecture Latka asks about customer count, software tooling, monetization percentages, and engineering team size. Thrower provides straightforward metrics and details on their API-driven business model.20:14–22:00 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Standard Famous Five round where Thrower shares his favorite books, CEO inspirations, and life advice about placing oneself where financial value moves rather than merely following passion.2:26–5:10 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Incubator Origins and Acquiring the Events.com Domain Latka probes the company's early venture studio structure and uncovers past funding rounds. Thrower explains the historical origins and the acquisition of the domain from CBS.5:10–10:49 · Nathan pushing back 5/10 Solving Event Management Fragmentation for the Mid-Market Latka cites specific Form D filing data to clarify early fundraising amounts. Thrower deflects giving current valuation figures while closing a round, instead lecturing on the mechanics and advantages of rolling fundraises.10:49–13:13 · Nathan pushing back 6/10 COVID-19 Fallout, Acquisition Pivots, and Industry Recovery Latka repeatedly presses Thrower to disclose exact revenue contraction figures for 2020 following a 2019 baseline of $16.8M. Thrower refuses to give exact numbers, describing the blow generally and pivoting to industry rebound data.13:13–17:38 · Nathan pushing back 8/10 Video Strategy Debate: In-House Platform vs. Ecosystem Integrations Latka aggressively challenges Thrower's platform strategy by rattling off explosive revenue metrics from competitors like Hopin and vFairs during COVID. Thrower defends their mid-market agnostic integration model and concedes Latka uncovered an upcoming acquisition.17:38–20:13 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Customer Base, Monetization Model, and Software Architecture Latka asks about customer count, software tooling, monetization percentages, and engineering team size. Thrower provides straightforward metrics and details on their API-driven business model.20:14–22:00 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Standard Famous Five round where Thrower shares his favorite books, CEO inspirations, and life advice about placing oneself where financial value moves rather than merely following passion.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 68.2% · guest 31.8%0:00 · Nathan 68.2% · guest 31.8%3:00 · Nathan 21.9% · guest 78.1%3:00 · Nathan 21.9% · guest 78.1%6:00 · Nathan 9.1% · guest 90.9%6:00 · Nathan 9.1% · guest 90.9%9:00 · Nathan 24.7% · guest 75.3%9:00 · Nathan 24.7% · guest 75.3%12:00 · Nathan 21.9% · guest 78.1%12:00 · Nathan 21.9% · guest 78.1%15:00 · Nathan 14.1% · guest 85.9%15:00 · Nathan 14.1% · guest 85.9%18:00 · Nathan 32.3% · guest 67.7%18:00 · Nathan 32.3% · guest 67.7%21:00 · Nathan 46.6% · guest 53.4%21:00 · Nathan 46.6% · guest 53.4%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 16:15 Thrower deflects missed virtual event opportunity

Thrower pushes back against Latka's accusation that Events.com missed the virtual boom, asserting their gateway approach while revealing Latka touched on a confidential acquisition.

Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 16:07 Latka challenges failure to pivot to virtual events

Latka cuts in and refuses to accept the integration narrative, demanding why a company with a tier-one domain failed to make virtual events their top priority when lockdowns began.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 9:49 Thrower explains tactical rolling raises to founders

Thrower redirects the conversation away from valuation disclosure to give an in-depth operational lesson on how founders should structure rolling fundraises to deploy capital faster.

Nathan holds their own ▶ 14:34 Latka reels off competitor growth numbers

Latka demonstrates deep domain expertise by citing exact ARR growth milestones for competitors like Hopin and vFairs to challenge why Events.com shrunk instead of grew.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Incubator Origins and Acquiring the Events.com Domain 5213 Latka probes the company's early venture studio structure and uncovers past funding rounds. Thrower explains the historical origins and the acquisition of the domain from CBS.
Solving Event Management Fragmentation for the Mid-Market 6325 Latka cites specific Form D filing data to clarify early fundraising amounts. Thrower deflects giving current valuation figures while closing a round, instead lecturing on the mechanics and advantages of rolling fundraises.
COVID-19 Fallout, Acquisition Pivots, and Industry Recovery 5226 Latka repeatedly presses Thrower to disclose exact revenue contraction figures for 2020 following a 2019 baseline of $16.8M. Thrower refuses to give exact numbers, describing the blow generally and pivoting to industry rebound data.
Video Strategy Debate: In-House Platform vs. Ecosystem Integrations 8348 Latka aggressively challenges Thrower's platform strategy by rattling off explosive revenue metrics from competitors like Hopin and vFairs during COVID. Thrower defends their mid-market agnostic integration model and concedes Latka uncovered an upcoming acquisition.
Customer Base, Monetization Model, and Software Architecture 4112 Latka asks about customer count, software tooling, monetization percentages, and engineering team size. Thrower provides straightforward metrics and details on their API-driven business model.
The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions 3201 Standard Famous Five round where Thrower shares his favorite books, CEO inspirations, and life advice about placing oneself where financial value moves rather than merely following passion.

Statements from this episode (16)

Assertion Supported
Mitch Thrower: Events.com acquired its domain name from CBS
“And the events.com domain name is one that we acquired from CBS. Believe it or not, it was originally owned by Bill Gross, not Pimco Bill Gross, but Idealab Bill Gross.”
Mitch Thrower Mar 11, 2021 ▶ 4:20
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Events.com generated about $1.4M to $1.5M in its first 12 months
“So, I mean, in the first 12, we were probably in the maybe million and a half range, somewhere in there, 1,000,004.”
Mitch Thrower Mar 11, 2021 ▶ 7:21
Assertion Contradicted
Events.com has raised over $50M and is closing a $70M+ total round
“We've raised over fifty million and we're about to announce a round that takes us over seventy million and that includes the acquisitions.”
Mitch Thrower Mar 11, 2021 ▶ 8:41
Disclosure
Events.com plans to announce three acquisitions within two to three quarters
“One of which we did in 19 and didn't announce one of which actually the other three, which we're about to announce, I would say within the next two or three quarters.”
Mitch Thrower Mar 11, 2021 ▶ 8:51
Insight
Mitch Thrower advises founders to use rolling raises to deploy capital immediately
“If you do a rolling raise, the difference is if you're raising capital and let's say raising ten million, you may only be able to use that ten million when you get it to ten million. If you do a rolling raise, you get the first million, you can use it and grow…”
Mitch Thrower Mar 11, 2021 ▶ 10:16
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Thrower: Events.com generated $16.8M combined revenue in 2019
“Combined entities were for 19, about 16.8... 16, 16.8 million.”
Mitch Thrower Mar 11, 2021 ▶ 11:01
Assertion Contradicted
Thrower: COVID-19 caused a $3B drop in event management software
“You know, there's three billion dollar drop out of the event management software business.”
Mitch Thrower Mar 11, 2021 ▶ 11:24
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Thrower: 5% to 8% of global event organizers will fail post-COVID
“And some, we expect around five up to eight percent of the event organizers globally will actually just not make it through.”
Mitch Thrower Mar 11, 2021 ▶ 12:43
Assertion Partly supported
Thrower: New Zealand broke 16-year event attendance records post-lockdown
“When New Zealand opened up again, After their first lockdown, which was abbreviated compared to the rest of the world, they broke 16 year attendance records at their events and have maintained like a 20 to 30% increase in the people that are going to out and e…”
Mitch Thrower Mar 11, 2021 ▶ 12:57
Disclosure
Thrower: Events.com integrates external video stacks rather than building native video
“From a video tech stack, we actually, we refer folks and integrate with other video tech stacks. So when people are powering their event from a virtual perspective, they will use our system to do everything from registration, sponsorship management, marketing,…”
Mitch Thrower Mar 11, 2021 ▶ 13:23
Assertion Supported
Latka: Hopin ARR grew from $3M to nearly $20M pre-StreamYard
“Hoppin grows from three million in ARR to almost twenty million in ARR pre-hop, pre-streamyard acquisition with their video tech stack.”
Nathan Latka Mar 11, 2021 ▶ 14:46
Assertion Partly supported
Latka: vFairs bootstrapped from $3M to $30M ARR during pandemic
“Vfair's bootstrapped goes from three million to thirty million in ARR during this period.”
Nathan Latka Mar 11, 2021 ▶ 14:54
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Thrower: Events.com served about 52,000 customers in 2019
“Okay, so about 52,000.”
Mitch Thrower Mar 11, 2021 ▶ 18:21
Assertion Not publicly verifiable
Thrower: Prudential licenses Events.com via API to build custom applications
“There's some organizations that use our platform and will just license it as an API, like Prudential, that come and just use our program to build what they want on top of, similar to like a Shopify model.”
Mitch Thrower Mar 11, 2021 ▶ 18:37
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Thrower: Events.com has 50 total employees
“50, 50 people.”
Mitch Thrower Mar 11, 2021 ▶ 19:10
Insight
Mitch Thrower: 'Do what you love' advice is flawed without value flow
“That whole concept of do what you love and the money will follow is wrong. It's find what in the area that you love where value is moving from point A to B and insert yourself in the middle and help facilitate the process as opposed to just going out and rando…”
Mitch Thrower Mar 11, 2021 ▶ 21:04
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