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Aug 23, 2021 · 16m · top-founders

New Sales Enablement Tool, $1m to $3.5m in 2 Years, Now Raising $7m on $50m Valuation

Sami Schöni · 6m spoken Nathan Latka · 6m spoken Frank Bien · 4s spoken Eric Yuan · 4s spoken Vivek Bhaskaran · 2s spoken
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In this interview with Nathan Latka, Showell founder and CEO Sami Schöni shares how he scaled his sales enablement platform from an agency spin-out to over $3 million in ARR with exceptional cash efficiency and a lean Finnish operational base. Schöni details Showell's unit economics, 112% net revenue retention, and plans to raise a $7M to $10M funding round to accelerate both sales-led and product-led growth.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 48% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 5.8 Guest teaching 2.8 Guest disagreement 2.2 Nathan pushing back 3.8
05100:0010:001:35–4:23 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Showell Background, Target Market, and Seed Funding Reset Nathan opens by comparing Showell to Gong and Outreach, but Sami clarifies they compete against Showpad and Highspot in the SMB space. Nathan immediately adapts and calculates their monthly contract ranges and metrics.4:24–7:33 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Agency Roots, Equity Structure, and Reaching $3M ARR Nathan breaks down the agency spin-off cap table and does real-time math converting Sami's annual contract value to ARR and run rate. Sami pushes back slightly on calculating MRR, noting upfront annual payments keep cash flow strong.7:34–10:38 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Showell Headcount, Quota Setting, and Finnish Compensation Strategy Nathan scrutinizes the 5-to-1 OTE to quota ratio and questions how Showell retains talent in a global market on Finnish salaries. Sami stands firm, explaining Finnish quality of life, healthcare, and local lifestyle benefits.10:40–14:22 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Sponsor Feature: FlatFile Data Onboarding Platform Following the FlatFile mid-roll sponsor read, Nathan drills into unit economics including burn rate, upcoming fundraise target, 112% NRR, and a high CAC payback period.14:24–16:37 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 The Famous Five: Sami Schöni's Habits, Tools, and Perspective Nathan executes the standard Famous Five rapid-fire format and provides a concise recap summary of Showell's metrics and trajectory.1:35–4:23 · Guest teaching 4/10 Showell Background, Target Market, and Seed Funding Reset Nathan opens by comparing Showell to Gong and Outreach, but Sami clarifies they compete against Showpad and Highspot in the SMB space. Nathan immediately adapts and calculates their monthly contract ranges and metrics.4:24–7:33 · Guest teaching 2/10 Agency Roots, Equity Structure, and Reaching $3M ARR Nathan breaks down the agency spin-off cap table and does real-time math converting Sami's annual contract value to ARR and run rate. Sami pushes back slightly on calculating MRR, noting upfront annual payments keep cash flow strong.7:34–10:38 · Guest teaching 5/10 Showell Headcount, Quota Setting, and Finnish Compensation Strategy Nathan scrutinizes the 5-to-1 OTE to quota ratio and questions how Showell retains talent in a global market on Finnish salaries. Sami stands firm, explaining Finnish quality of life, healthcare, and local lifestyle benefits.10:40–14:22 · Guest teaching 2/10 Sponsor Feature: FlatFile Data Onboarding Platform Following the FlatFile mid-roll sponsor read, Nathan drills into unit economics including burn rate, upcoming fundraise target, 112% NRR, and a high CAC payback period.14:24–16:37 · Guest teaching 1/10 The Famous Five: Sami Schöni's Habits, Tools, and Perspective Nathan executes the standard Famous Five rapid-fire format and provides a concise recap summary of Showell's metrics and trajectory.1:35–4:23 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Showell Background, Target Market, and Seed Funding Reset Nathan opens by comparing Showell to Gong and Outreach, but Sami clarifies they compete against Showpad and Highspot in the SMB space. Nathan immediately adapts and calculates their monthly contract ranges and metrics.4:24–7:33 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Agency Roots, Equity Structure, and Reaching $3M ARR Nathan breaks down the agency spin-off cap table and does real-time math converting Sami's annual contract value to ARR and run rate. Sami pushes back slightly on calculating MRR, noting upfront annual payments keep cash flow strong.7:34–10:38 · Guest disagreement 4/10 Showell Headcount, Quota Setting, and Finnish Compensation Strategy Nathan scrutinizes the 5-to-1 OTE to quota ratio and questions how Showell retains talent in a global market on Finnish salaries. Sami stands firm, explaining Finnish quality of life, healthcare, and local lifestyle benefits.10:40–14:22 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Sponsor Feature: FlatFile Data Onboarding Platform Following the FlatFile mid-roll sponsor read, Nathan drills into unit economics including burn rate, upcoming fundraise target, 112% NRR, and a high CAC payback period.14:24–16:37 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Famous Five: Sami Schöni's Habits, Tools, and Perspective Nathan executes the standard Famous Five rapid-fire format and provides a concise recap summary of Showell's metrics and trajectory.1:35–4:23 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Showell Background, Target Market, and Seed Funding Reset Nathan opens by comparing Showell to Gong and Outreach, but Sami clarifies they compete against Showpad and Highspot in the SMB space. Nathan immediately adapts and calculates their monthly contract ranges and metrics.4:24–7:33 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 Agency Roots, Equity Structure, and Reaching $3M ARR Nathan breaks down the agency spin-off cap table and does real-time math converting Sami's annual contract value to ARR and run rate. Sami pushes back slightly on calculating MRR, noting upfront annual payments keep cash flow strong.7:34–10:38 · Nathan pushing back 6/10 Showell Headcount, Quota Setting, and Finnish Compensation Strategy Nathan scrutinizes the 5-to-1 OTE to quota ratio and questions how Showell retains talent in a global market on Finnish salaries. Sami stands firm, explaining Finnish quality of life, healthcare, and local lifestyle benefits.10:40–14:22 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 Sponsor Feature: FlatFile Data Onboarding Platform Following the FlatFile mid-roll sponsor read, Nathan drills into unit economics including burn rate, upcoming fundraise target, 112% NRR, and a high CAC payback period.14:24–16:37 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 The Famous Five: Sami Schöni's Habits, Tools, and Perspective Nathan executes the standard Famous Five rapid-fire format and provides a concise recap summary of Showell's metrics and trajectory.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 64.3% · guest 35.7%0:00 · Nathan 64.3% · guest 35.7%3:00 · Nathan 27.8% · guest 72.2%3:00 · Nathan 27.8% · guest 72.2%6:00 · Nathan 35.5% · guest 64.5%6:00 · Nathan 35.5% · guest 64.5%9:00 · Nathan 68.8% · guest 31.2%9:00 · Nathan 68.8% · guest 31.2%12:00 · Nathan 33.6% · guest 66.4%12:00 · Nathan 33.6% · guest 66.4%15:00 · Nathan 58.6% · guest 41.4%15:00 · Nathan 58.6% · guest 41.4%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 1:59 Competitor positioning correction

Sami immediately pushes back on Nathan's premise comparing Showell to Gong and Outreach, pointing out their true competitors are Showpad and Highspot.

 Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 9:56 Challenging retention in a remote market

Nathan refuses the Finnish salary baseline framing, arguing that remote work allows US tech companies to easily poach European sales talent.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 10:11 Finnish quality of life retention defense

Sami educates Nathan on why Finnish workers stay despite lower base salaries, citing superior healthcare, education, clean nature, and social infrastructure.

 Nathan holds their own ▶ 9:09 Nathan's quota-to-OTE breakdown

Nathan displays deep SaaS sales math expertise by calculating expected base and commission payouts against quota targets and industry benchmarks.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Showell Background, Target Market, and Seed Funding Reset 5433 Nathan opens by comparing Showell to Gong and Outreach, but Sami clarifies they compete against Showpad and Highspot in the SMB space. Nathan immediately adapts and calculates their monthly contract ranges and metrics.
Agency Roots, Equity Structure, and Reaching $3M ARR 6224 Nathan breaks down the agency spin-off cap table and does real-time math converting Sami's annual contract value to ARR and run rate. Sami pushes back slightly on calculating MRR, noting upfront annual payments keep cash flow strong.
Showell Headcount, Quota Setting, and Finnish Compensation Strategy 7546 Nathan scrutinizes the 5-to-1 OTE to quota ratio and questions how Showell retains talent in a global market on Finnish salaries. Sami stands firm, explaining Finnish quality of life, healthcare, and local lifestyle benefits.
Sponsor Feature: FlatFile Data Onboarding Platform 6214 Following the FlatFile mid-roll sponsor read, Nathan drills into unit economics including burn rate, upcoming fundraise target, 112% NRR, and a high CAC payback period.
The Famous Five: Sami Schöni's Habits, Tools, and Perspective 5112 Nathan executes the standard Famous Five rapid-fire format and provides a concise recap summary of Showell's metrics and trajectory.

Statements from this episode (14)

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Showell Customers Pay $15,000 to $50,000 Annually on Average
“15 to 50,000. Sorry, annually.”
Sami Schöni Aug 23, 2021 ▶ 2:33
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Showell Reached Approximately 300 Customers by August 2021
“We have about 300 customers right now.”
Sami Schöni Aug 23, 2021 ▶ 3:09
Disclosure
Showell Raised a $1M Seed Round at a $6M Valuation in 2019
“About six million.”
Sami Schöni Aug 23, 2021 ▶ 4:04
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Showell Reached Nearly $1M Revenue Before Raising 2019 Seed Round
“Little less than one million.”
Sami Schöni Aug 23, 2021 ▶ 4:17
Disclosure
CEO Sami Schöni Personally Owns About One-Third of Showell
“Well, I personally own about one third of the.”
Sami Schöni Aug 23, 2021 ▶ 5:21
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Showell Generates Approximately $3M in Annual Recurring Revenue
“So right now we are at about three million ARR.”
Sami Schöni Aug 23, 2021 ▶ 6:21
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Showell Collects 12 Months Upfront on All Annual Contracts
“Customers pay us, you know, 12 months ahead and there are always annual contracts.”
Sami Schöni Aug 23, 2021 ▶ 6:28
Opinion
CEO Sami Schöni Values Showell Between $30M and $50M
“30 to fifty million.”
Sami Schöni Aug 23, 2021 ▶ 7:05
Disclosure
Showell Sets Average Account Executive Quotas at $150K to $200K ARR
“Yeah, it's, it depends on, of course, if the AE is a junior or senior and when he started, but I would say the average is about 150,000 to 200 annual.”
Sami Schöni Aug 23, 2021 ▶ 8:34
Disclosure
Showell Consolidated Headcount in Finland During COVID to Cut Salary Costs
“You have to remember that Shovel is a Finnish company, so we are based in Finland, and because of the COVID, we did a big change in our strategy, so we kind of concentrated all our people in Finland, so the seller is not that high as it would be, for example, …”
Sami Schöni Aug 23, 2021 ▶ 9:37
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Showell Maintains an Ultra-Low Burn Rate of $5,000 Per Month
“Yeah, it's about five grand a month.”
Sami Schöni Aug 23, 2021 ▶ 12:31
Disclosure
Showell Plans to Raise $7M to $10M in Its Next Round
“Seven to ten million.”
Sami Schöni Aug 23, 2021 ▶ 12:44
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Showell Reports a Net Revenue Retention Rate of 112%
“So it's NRR is about a 112.”
Sami Schöni Aug 23, 2021 ▶ 13:35
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Showell Averages a $20,000 Customer Acquisition Cost
“That's quite high. It's about one and a half times, you know, the annual income. So we're talking about, you know, 20,000 at the moment.”
Sami Schöni Aug 23, 2021 ▶ 13:50
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