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Sep 25, 2021 · 15m · top-founders

He Built Shopify's Content Machine, Now Working With SaaS Founders

Tommy Walker · 9m spoken Nathan Latka · 3m spoken
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In this episode of Conversations with Nathan Latka, content strategist Tommy Walker breaks down his frameworks for building scalable B2B content operations, sharing candid career lessons from his early days scaling Shopify Plus to consulting for Fortune 1000 enterprise brands.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 27.9% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 4.2 Guest teaching 2.6 Guest disagreement 1.2 Nathan pushing back 2.4
05100:0010:001:04–4:54 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Joining Early Shopify and the CXL Connection Latka explores Walker's early hire at Shopify and makes industry connections to Pep Laja at CXL. Walker explains the early content marketing landscape and how he prioritized return visitors over pure keyword traffic.4:54–8:21 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Candid Reflections on Departing Shopify and Professional Maturity Latka pushes Walker directly on why he walked away from massive Shopify equity pre-IPO. Walker responds with vulnerability, admitting his early career arrogance and lack of maturity before walking through his QuickBooks tenure.8:21–12:04 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Sourcing Top Freelancers and Establishing a Content Code Walker outlines his philosophy of creating a content code rather than relying on generic freelance marketplaces. Latka engages with anecdotes about GoDaddy domain acquisitions and probes ideal client metrics.12:04–14:04 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Developing Polarizing Perspectives and Unified Brand Voice Latka shares his strong personal thesis on content creation, arguing that modern audiences demand polarizing opinions over pure facts. Walker agrees and builds on it, lamenting the ubiquitous generic blogger voice.14:05–15:28 · Nathan as informed peer 3/10 Famous Five: Favorite Tools, Sleep Habits, and Advice Standard Famous Five rapid-fire closing questions where Walker shares insights about Jarvis AI, sleep schedule, and humility advice to his 20-year-old self.1:04–4:54 · Guest teaching 3/10 Joining Early Shopify and the CXL Connection Latka explores Walker's early hire at Shopify and makes industry connections to Pep Laja at CXL. Walker explains the early content marketing landscape and how he prioritized return visitors over pure keyword traffic.4:54–8:21 · Guest teaching 2/10 Candid Reflections on Departing Shopify and Professional Maturity Latka pushes Walker directly on why he walked away from massive Shopify equity pre-IPO. Walker responds with vulnerability, admitting his early career arrogance and lack of maturity before walking through his QuickBooks tenure.8:21–12:04 · Guest teaching 4/10 Sourcing Top Freelancers and Establishing a Content Code Walker outlines his philosophy of creating a content code rather than relying on generic freelance marketplaces. Latka engages with anecdotes about GoDaddy domain acquisitions and probes ideal client metrics.12:04–14:04 · Guest teaching 3/10 Developing Polarizing Perspectives and Unified Brand Voice Latka shares his strong personal thesis on content creation, arguing that modern audiences demand polarizing opinions over pure facts. Walker agrees and builds on it, lamenting the ubiquitous generic blogger voice.14:05–15:28 · Guest teaching 1/10 Famous Five: Favorite Tools, Sleep Habits, and Advice Standard Famous Five rapid-fire closing questions where Walker shares insights about Jarvis AI, sleep schedule, and humility advice to his 20-year-old self.1:04–4:54 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Joining Early Shopify and the CXL Connection Latka explores Walker's early hire at Shopify and makes industry connections to Pep Laja at CXL. Walker explains the early content marketing landscape and how he prioritized return visitors over pure keyword traffic.4:54–8:21 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Candid Reflections on Departing Shopify and Professional Maturity Latka pushes Walker directly on why he walked away from massive Shopify equity pre-IPO. Walker responds with vulnerability, admitting his early career arrogance and lack of maturity before walking through his QuickBooks tenure.8:21–12:04 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Sourcing Top Freelancers and Establishing a Content Code Walker outlines his philosophy of creating a content code rather than relying on generic freelance marketplaces. Latka engages with anecdotes about GoDaddy domain acquisitions and probes ideal client metrics.12:04–14:04 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Developing Polarizing Perspectives and Unified Brand Voice Latka shares his strong personal thesis on content creation, arguing that modern audiences demand polarizing opinions over pure facts. Walker agrees and builds on it, lamenting the ubiquitous generic blogger voice.14:05–15:28 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Famous Five: Favorite Tools, Sleep Habits, and Advice Standard Famous Five rapid-fire closing questions where Walker shares insights about Jarvis AI, sleep schedule, and humility advice to his 20-year-old self.1:04–4:54 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Joining Early Shopify and the CXL Connection Latka explores Walker's early hire at Shopify and makes industry connections to Pep Laja at CXL. Walker explains the early content marketing landscape and how he prioritized return visitors over pure keyword traffic.4:54–8:21 · Nathan pushing back 5/10 Candid Reflections on Departing Shopify and Professional Maturity Latka pushes Walker directly on why he walked away from massive Shopify equity pre-IPO. Walker responds with vulnerability, admitting his early career arrogance and lack of maturity before walking through his QuickBooks tenure.8:21–12:04 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Sourcing Top Freelancers and Establishing a Content Code Walker outlines his philosophy of creating a content code rather than relying on generic freelance marketplaces. Latka engages with anecdotes about GoDaddy domain acquisitions and probes ideal client metrics.12:04–14:04 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Developing Polarizing Perspectives and Unified Brand Voice Latka shares his strong personal thesis on content creation, arguing that modern audiences demand polarizing opinions over pure facts. Walker agrees and builds on it, lamenting the ubiquitous generic blogger voice.14:05–15:28 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Famous Five: Favorite Tools, Sleep Habits, and Advice Standard Famous Five rapid-fire closing questions where Walker shares insights about Jarvis AI, sleep schedule, and humility advice to his 20-year-old self.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 53.6% · guest 46.4%0:00 · Nathan 53.6% · guest 46.4%3:00 · Nathan 15.4% · guest 84.6%3:00 · Nathan 15.4% · guest 84.6%6:00 · Nathan 9.5% · guest 90.5%6:00 · Nathan 9.5% · guest 90.5%9:00 · Nathan 20.8% · guest 79.2%9:00 · Nathan 20.8% · guest 79.2%12:00 · Nathan 29.1% · guest 70.9%12:00 · Nathan 29.1% · guest 70.9%15:00 · Nathan 97.4% · guest 2.6%15:00 · Nathan 97.4% · guest 2.6%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 12:25 Critiquing the generic blogger borg voice

Walker aggressively dismisses typical corporate SEO blogging as obnoxious and robotic when brands fail to establish a distinct soul or viewpoint.

 Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 5:48 Pressing on leaving Shopify before massive wealth creation

Latka refuses to let the exit gloss over, explicitly challenging Walker on why he is not living in a massive mansion after being at Shopify during prime pre-IPO years.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 9:02 Explaining the content code hiring methodology

Walker educates Latka on why high-caliber writers like New York Times authors are attracted through mission-driven publication rules rather than transactional postings.

 Nathan holds their own ▶ 12:04 Latka asserting that audiences demand polarizing opinions

Latka demonstrates deep media operator expertise, pushing his own framework that facts are ignored in favor of polarizing hooks that force love-or-hate reactions.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Joining Early Shopify and the CXL Connection 4311 Latka explores Walker's early hire at Shopify and makes industry connections to Pep Laja at CXL. Walker explains the early content marketing landscape and how he prioritized return visitors over pure keyword traffic.
Candid Reflections on Departing Shopify and Professional Maturity 4215 Latka pushes Walker directly on why he walked away from massive Shopify equity pre-IPO. Walker responds with vulnerability, admitting his early career arrogance and lack of maturity before walking through his QuickBooks tenure.
Sourcing Top Freelancers and Establishing a Content Code 4412 Walker outlines his philosophy of creating a content code rather than relying on generic freelance marketplaces. Latka engages with anecdotes about GoDaddy domain acquisitions and probes ideal client metrics.
Developing Polarizing Perspectives and Unified Brand Voice 6323 Latka shares his strong personal thesis on content creation, arguing that modern audiences demand polarizing opinions over pure facts. Walker agrees and builds on it, lamenting the ubiquitous generic blogger voice.
Famous Five: Favorite Tools, Sleep Habits, and Advice 3111 Standard Famous Five rapid-fire closing questions where Walker shares insights about Jarvis AI, sleep schedule, and humility advice to his 20-year-old self.

Statements from this episode (9)

Disclosure
Walker joined Shopify pre-IPO from CXL without a formal interview
“I didn't have an interview process. I was recruited. So Shopify was really early days back then. It was still not being taken seriously as a cloudy commerce. Wasn't really a thing back then. So I was brought in from cxl.com.”
Tommy Walker Sep 25, 2021 ▶ 1:20
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Walker was sole Shopify Plus marketer for its first 1,500 customers
“I was there for the first 1500 customers, the only marketing hire until the first 1500 customers.”
Tommy Walker Sep 25, 2021 ▶ 3:14
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Walker: Shopify Plus blog reached ~100,000 weekly readers before his departure
“It was right around the 100,000 mark.”
Tommy Walker Sep 25, 2021 ▶ 4:41
Insight
Walker: Return visitors is always the true north metric in content
“Return visitors is always my true North metric.”
Tommy Walker Sep 25, 2021 ▶ 7:15
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Walker scaled QuickBooks content team to 40 contributors across 16 markets
“So we scaled that from five, five to 10 freelance contributors to 40 plus contributors across SEO, social email like most of your customer facing channels across 16 markets.”
Tommy Walker Sep 25, 2021 ▶ 7:52
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Walker: ProBlogger job board attracts NYT-published and award-winning writers
“I've actually always, always, always had good luck with pro blogger, right? The pro blogger.com community. I've hired New York times published authors someone who's written several four dummies books and the award winners, like it's amazing what goes out there…”
Tommy Walker Sep 25, 2021 ▶ 9:03
Insight
Walker: Organizations should write a content code before hiring writers
“So my recommendation to anybody who is ever going to hire is to actually do something by called writing a content code first, which is basically the rules of engagement defining the soul of your publication.”
Tommy Walker Sep 25, 2021 ▶ 9:20
Insight
Walker: Most Content Marketing Strategies Lack Differentiation and Write for Robots
“That's one of the things that I think a lot of blogs and content marketing strategies as a whole lack that sort of differentiation. And we all kind of default to that, you know, the keyword base, like let's write for robots.”
Tommy Walker Sep 25, 2021 ▶ 11:34
Insight
Latka: Modern audiences care about polarized opinions over facts
“And unfortunately in today's world, people don't give a shit about facts. What they care about are polarized opinions.”
Nathan Latka Sep 25, 2021 ▶ 12:09
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