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Mar 3, 2022 · 17m · top-founders

$700k Company For Sale

Karen Cantwell · 9m spoken Nathan Latka · 6m spoken
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In this interview, iStaySafe founder Karen Cantwell breaks down the unit economics, telecom network hurdles, and B2B reseller strategy behind her hybrid hardware-SaaS safety platform as she prepares the company for a 4G rollout and strategic acquisition.

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Nathan as informed peer 6.3 Guest teaching 4.0 Guest disagreement 1.8 Nathan pushing back 5.0
05100:0010:000:48–4:20 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Introducing Karen Cantwell and iStaySafe Devices Nathan breaks down the unit economics and margins of the hardware devices alongside monthly recurring SaaS fees. Karen details the device specs, target demographics, and the shift toward B2B resellers.4:20–9:26 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Reseller Margins and Monthly Revenue Breakdown Nathan confronts Karen about sluggish growth, referencing their 2018 interview where she was already doing $20k MRR, and questions her 60% investor dilution. Karen explains capital constraints and the technical headwinds of Australian telecom network shutdowns.9:28–14:55 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Sponsor Break: Flatfile Data Onboarding Nathan bluntly asks Karen why she doesn't just shut the business down and questions how she can deliver returns on $1.6M raised with only $360k in SaaS ARR. Karen schools Nathan on their true $700k+ top-line turnover including hardware margins and past $2.8M acquisition interest.14:55–17:15 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Hardware Lifecycles, Churn, and Team Size Karen explains the 18-month device lifecycle and downsizing the team to 2 before moving through the standard Famous Five closing questions.0:48–4:20 · Guest teaching 3/10 Introducing Karen Cantwell and iStaySafe Devices Nathan breaks down the unit economics and margins of the hardware devices alongside monthly recurring SaaS fees. Karen details the device specs, target demographics, and the shift toward B2B resellers.4:20–9:26 · Guest teaching 4/10 Reseller Margins and Monthly Revenue Breakdown Nathan confronts Karen about sluggish growth, referencing their 2018 interview where she was already doing $20k MRR, and questions her 60% investor dilution. Karen explains capital constraints and the technical headwinds of Australian telecom network shutdowns.9:28–14:55 · Guest teaching 7/10 Sponsor Break: Flatfile Data Onboarding Nathan bluntly asks Karen why she doesn't just shut the business down and questions how she can deliver returns on $1.6M raised with only $360k in SaaS ARR. Karen schools Nathan on their true $700k+ top-line turnover including hardware margins and past $2.8M acquisition interest.14:55–17:15 · Guest teaching 2/10 Hardware Lifecycles, Churn, and Team Size Karen explains the 18-month device lifecycle and downsizing the team to 2 before moving through the standard Famous Five closing questions.0:48–4:20 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Introducing Karen Cantwell and iStaySafe Devices Nathan breaks down the unit economics and margins of the hardware devices alongside monthly recurring SaaS fees. Karen details the device specs, target demographics, and the shift toward B2B resellers.4:20–9:26 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Reseller Margins and Monthly Revenue Breakdown Nathan confronts Karen about sluggish growth, referencing their 2018 interview where she was already doing $20k MRR, and questions her 60% investor dilution. Karen explains capital constraints and the technical headwinds of Australian telecom network shutdowns.9:28–14:55 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Sponsor Break: Flatfile Data Onboarding Nathan bluntly asks Karen why she doesn't just shut the business down and questions how she can deliver returns on $1.6M raised with only $360k in SaaS ARR. Karen schools Nathan on their true $700k+ top-line turnover including hardware margins and past $2.8M acquisition interest.14:55–17:15 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Hardware Lifecycles, Churn, and Team Size Karen explains the 18-month device lifecycle and downsizing the team to 2 before moving through the standard Famous Five closing questions.0:48–4:20 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Introducing Karen Cantwell and iStaySafe Devices Nathan breaks down the unit economics and margins of the hardware devices alongside monthly recurring SaaS fees. Karen details the device specs, target demographics, and the shift toward B2B resellers.4:20–9:26 · Nathan pushing back 7/10 Reseller Margins and Monthly Revenue Breakdown Nathan confronts Karen about sluggish growth, referencing their 2018 interview where she was already doing $20k MRR, and questions her 60% investor dilution. Karen explains capital constraints and the technical headwinds of Australian telecom network shutdowns.9:28–14:55 · Nathan pushing back 8/10 Sponsor Break: Flatfile Data Onboarding Nathan bluntly asks Karen why she doesn't just shut the business down and questions how she can deliver returns on $1.6M raised with only $360k in SaaS ARR. Karen schools Nathan on their true $700k+ top-line turnover including hardware margins and past $2.8M acquisition interest.14:55–17:15 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Hardware Lifecycles, Churn, and Team Size Karen explains the 18-month device lifecycle and downsizing the team to 2 before moving through the standard Famous Five closing questions.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 51.2% · guest 48.8%0:00 · Nathan 51.2% · guest 48.8%3:00 · Nathan 28.3% · guest 71.7%3:00 · Nathan 28.3% · guest 71.7%6:00 · Nathan 20.2% · guest 79.8%6:00 · Nathan 20.2% · guest 79.8%9:00 · Nathan 75% · guest 25%9:00 · Nathan 75% · guest 25%12:00 · Nathan 21.1% · guest 78.9%12:00 · Nathan 21.1% · guest 78.9%15:00 · Nathan 43.4% · guest 56.6%15:00 · Nathan 43.4% · guest 56.6%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 11:26 Karen defends continuing the business

Karen firmly pushes back on Nathan's suggestion to shut down the company, emphasizing their $30k recurring revenue and duty of care to customers using personal safety devices.

 Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 11:07 Nathan asks when she will shut it down

Nathan bluntly challenges the premise of continuing the business, asking when she will have the courage to shut down a slow-growing company and start something new.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 13:08 Karen reframes valuation with total revenue and hardware margin

When Nathan claims the company cannot achieve an exit multiple on $360k SaaS revenue, Karen clarifies that total turnover is over $700k with hardware and notes a prior $2.8M acquisition offer.

 Nathan holds their own ▶ 6:19 Nathan cites historical 2018 interview data

Nathan leverages specific historical performance data from their previous interview to call out four years of minimal revenue growth.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Introducing Karen Cantwell and iStaySafe Devices 6313 Nathan breaks down the unit economics and margins of the hardware devices alongside monthly recurring SaaS fees. Karen details the device specs, target demographics, and the shift toward B2B resellers.
Reseller Margins and Monthly Revenue Breakdown 7427 Nathan confronts Karen about sluggish growth, referencing their 2018 interview where she was already doing $20k MRR, and questions her 60% investor dilution. Karen explains capital constraints and the technical headwinds of Australian telecom network shutdowns.
Sponsor Break: Flatfile Data Onboarding 7738 Nathan bluntly asks Karen why she doesn't just shut the business down and questions how she can deliver returns on $1.6M raised with only $360k in SaaS ARR. Karen schools Nathan on their true $700k+ top-line turnover including hardware margins and past $2.8M acquisition interest.
Hardware Lifecycles, Churn, and Team Size 5212 Karen explains the 18-month device lifecycle and downsizing the team to 2 before moving through the standard Famous Five closing questions.

Statements from this episode (19)

Disclosure
Cantwell: iStaySafe operates a hybrid SaaS and hardware model
“So it's pretty much SaaS plus hardware, so we do both.”
Karen Cantwell Mar 3, 2022 ▶ 1:12
Disclosure
Cantwell: iStaySafe devices serve children, elderly, and lone workers
“So we have we have two devices at the moment. We've got a three G, which is, it's a small kids watch. We also use it for elderly. We also use it for domestic and family violence, lone workers.”
Karen Cantwell Mar 3, 2022 ▶ 1:24
Disclosure
Cantwell: iStaySafe charges $200 AUD for hardware and $15-$20 monthly
“This one costs around 200 dollars Australian. So for the hardware, and then you're looking at between at around like 15 to 20 dollars a month for the SAS and the SIM and the use of the platform.”
Karen Cantwell Mar 3, 2022 ▶ 2:26
Disclosure
Cantwell: iStaySafe landed watch manufacturing costs $60-$80 AUD
“The new one that's coming out is a little bit cheaper to make than the previous one we had because we've just changed manufacturers, but it costs us probably around between 60 to 80 dollars Australian landed.”
Karen Cantwell Mar 3, 2022 ▶ 2:55
Disclosure
Cantwell: iStaySafe has 2,500 to 3,000 active subscribers
“We currently have probably about two and a half to 3000 subscribers live at the moment.”
Karen Cantwell Mar 3, 2022 ▶ 3:57
Disclosure
Cantwell: 80% of iStaySafe business comes via B2B resellers
“About 20% of our business is now business to consumer, whereas previously when we started it was all business to consumer, whereas now we're more B to B because we've really moved into more of a reseller market in the last probably two years. So probably about…”
Karen Cantwell Mar 3, 2022 ▶ 4:02
Disclosure
Cantwell: iStaySafe wholesales watches for $150, making $70 margin per unit
“With the resellers, we will sell the watch for them at about a 150 dollars wholesale. So we make less, we make probably about 70 dollars a watch on the watches, on the reseller price.”
Karen Cantwell Mar 3, 2022 ▶ 4:37
Disclosure
Cantwell: iStaySafe charges resellers $11 monthly for SaaS, netting $3 to $4 margin
“The software with the SaaS for the resellers, they pay around 11 dollars a month. So we still make probably about three, four dollars per month on the SaaS, and then they put their mark up on top of that.”
Karen Cantwell Mar 3, 2022 ▶ 5:06
Disclosure
Cantwell: iStaySafe generates approximately $30,000 per month in revenue
“We're probably around 30 in revenue at the month because we've, we're with the phone app, it's slightly cheaper because there's no SIM card with the phone app, so that brings the average monthly revenue per month down slightly.”
Karen Cantwell Mar 3, 2022 ▶ 5:40
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Cantwell: iStaySafe doubled MRR from roughly $15k-$16k after late-2019 acquisition
“Prior to that we were probably at around 1516, we probably doubled since we did that acquisition.”
Karen Cantwell Mar 3, 2022 ▶ 6:03
Disclosure
Cantwell: iStaySafe raised about $1.6 million total through 2018
“About one 1.6.”
Karen Cantwell Mar 3, 2022 ▶ 7:49
Disclosure
Cantwell: Investors own approximately 60% of iStaySafe
“So the investors probably own, at the moment we've got investors that own probably about 60% of the business.”
Karen Cantwell Mar 3, 2022 ▶ 8:07
Disclosure
Cantwell: iStaySafe founder holds a 20% equity stake
“20%.”
Karen Cantwell Mar 3, 2022 ▶ 9:02
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Cantwell: iStaySafe expects to reach around $54k MRR in a year
“So we expect that by this time next year, we'll probably be doing just over around 54,000 MRR with the subscribers that will increase from the release of the new hardware.”
Karen Cantwell Mar 3, 2022 ▶ 13:38
Disclosure
Cantwell: iStaySafe received a buyout offer of 2.8 times total revenue
“We had an acquisition offer last year that was 2.8 total revenue.”
Karen Cantwell Mar 3, 2022 ▶ 13:51
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Cantwell: iStaySafe did over $700k in total turnover last year
“Turnover last year was just over 700,000 with the hardware as well as the MRR in the SAS.”
Karen Cantwell Mar 3, 2022 ▶ 13:56
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Cantwell: iStaySafe can probably achieve a $2M to $3M exit
“So I think we can probably realize, you know, a two to three million dollar exit potentially.”
Karen Cantwell Mar 3, 2022 ▶ 14:03
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Cantwell: iStaySafe watches have roughly an 18-month hardware lifecycle
“No, I mean, we probably have a life cycle of about 18 months on the hardware, so the watches, some will grow about 18 months before they either turn it over, get a new one, or change”
Karen Cantwell Mar 3, 2022 ▶ 15:00
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Cantwell: iStaySafe restructured from seven down to two employees
“So we just went through a restructure last year from seven. We're down to two at the moment while we restructure and scale, and we're trying to build things back up again. So there's only two of us in the business at the moment.”
Karen Cantwell Mar 3, 2022 ▶ 15:25
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