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Jun 12, 2023 · 18m · top-founders

Partnerships helped us scale to $10m+. Here's what we learned.

Michal Suski · 16m spoken Nathan Latka · 46s spoken
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At SaaS Open, Surfer SEO co-founder Michal Suski explains how strategic partnerships—progressing from a scalable affiliate marketing model to selective software integrations—generated over $3.5 million in revenue and scaled the company past $10 million.

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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 4.7% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 0.0 Guest teaching 0.0 Guest disagreement 0.0 Nathan pushing back 0.0
05100:0010:000:54–4:24 · Nathan as informed peer 0/10 Scaling Surfer SEO Past $10M Through Partnerships Michal Suski delivers a solo conference talk breaking down how Surfer SEO used affiliate marketing to scale, detailing their 30% commission model and management of 3,000 affiliates. The host is not present in this monologue segment.4:25–7:13 · Nathan as informed peer 0/10 Navigating Friction in Software Integrations Suski outlines the typical points of friction when negotiating integrations, including code quality compromises, shifting roadmaps, billing hassles, and unfavorable legal terms from larger companies.7:15–12:34 · Nathan as informed peer 0/10 Case Study: The 28-Hour Jasper Integration Suski details the rapid 28-hour Jasper integration driven by mutual customer demand, followed by an in-depth framework for evaluating prospective partners across organizational agility, product synergy, and pricing models.12:35–14:37 · Nathan as informed peer 0/10 Analyzing Three Failed Integration Case Studies Suski analyzes three real-world failed partnerships with WriterAccess, SEMrush, and Writesonic, illustrating how audience mismatch, legal roadblocks, and price disparity can kill integrations.14:38–17:59 · Nathan as informed peer 0/10 Organic Marketing Flywheel and SERP Domination Suski presents revenue metrics showing partnerships drove $3.5M (over 30% of total revenue) and explains how 3,000 affiliates naturally dominated search engine result pages with positive reviews.17:59–18:32 · Nathan as informed peer 0/10 Conclusion and Strategic Partnership Summary Suski concludes his presentation by summarizing the progression from simple affiliate programs to complex product integrations and invites founders to use their evaluation checklist.0:54–4:24 · Guest teaching 0/10 Scaling Surfer SEO Past $10M Through Partnerships Michal Suski delivers a solo conference talk breaking down how Surfer SEO used affiliate marketing to scale, detailing their 30% commission model and management of 3,000 affiliates. The host is not present in this monologue segment.4:25–7:13 · Guest teaching 0/10 Navigating Friction in Software Integrations Suski outlines the typical points of friction when negotiating integrations, including code quality compromises, shifting roadmaps, billing hassles, and unfavorable legal terms from larger companies.7:15–12:34 · Guest teaching 0/10 Case Study: The 28-Hour Jasper Integration Suski details the rapid 28-hour Jasper integration driven by mutual customer demand, followed by an in-depth framework for evaluating prospective partners across organizational agility, product synergy, and pricing models.12:35–14:37 · Guest teaching 0/10 Analyzing Three Failed Integration Case Studies Suski analyzes three real-world failed partnerships with WriterAccess, SEMrush, and Writesonic, illustrating how audience mismatch, legal roadblocks, and price disparity can kill integrations.14:38–17:59 · Guest teaching 0/10 Organic Marketing Flywheel and SERP Domination Suski presents revenue metrics showing partnerships drove $3.5M (over 30% of total revenue) and explains how 3,000 affiliates naturally dominated search engine result pages with positive reviews.17:59–18:32 · Guest teaching 0/10 Conclusion and Strategic Partnership Summary Suski concludes his presentation by summarizing the progression from simple affiliate programs to complex product integrations and invites founders to use their evaluation checklist.0:54–4:24 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Scaling Surfer SEO Past $10M Through Partnerships Michal Suski delivers a solo conference talk breaking down how Surfer SEO used affiliate marketing to scale, detailing their 30% commission model and management of 3,000 affiliates. The host is not present in this monologue segment.4:25–7:13 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Navigating Friction in Software Integrations Suski outlines the typical points of friction when negotiating integrations, including code quality compromises, shifting roadmaps, billing hassles, and unfavorable legal terms from larger companies.7:15–12:34 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Case Study: The 28-Hour Jasper Integration Suski details the rapid 28-hour Jasper integration driven by mutual customer demand, followed by an in-depth framework for evaluating prospective partners across organizational agility, product synergy, and pricing models.12:35–14:37 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Analyzing Three Failed Integration Case Studies Suski analyzes three real-world failed partnerships with WriterAccess, SEMrush, and Writesonic, illustrating how audience mismatch, legal roadblocks, and price disparity can kill integrations.14:38–17:59 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Organic Marketing Flywheel and SERP Domination Suski presents revenue metrics showing partnerships drove $3.5M (over 30% of total revenue) and explains how 3,000 affiliates naturally dominated search engine result pages with positive reviews.17:59–18:32 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Conclusion and Strategic Partnership Summary Suski concludes his presentation by summarizing the progression from simple affiliate programs to complex product integrations and invites founders to use their evaluation checklist.0:54–4:24 · Nathan pushing back 0/10 Scaling Surfer SEO Past $10M Through Partnerships Michal Suski delivers a solo conference talk breaking down how Surfer SEO used affiliate marketing to scale, detailing their 30% commission model and management of 3,000 affiliates. The host is not present in this monologue segment.4:25–7:13 · Nathan pushing back 0/10 Navigating Friction in Software Integrations Suski outlines the typical points of friction when negotiating integrations, including code quality compromises, shifting roadmaps, billing hassles, and unfavorable legal terms from larger companies.7:15–12:34 · Nathan pushing back 0/10 Case Study: The 28-Hour Jasper Integration Suski details the rapid 28-hour Jasper integration driven by mutual customer demand, followed by an in-depth framework for evaluating prospective partners across organizational agility, product synergy, and pricing models.12:35–14:37 · Nathan pushing back 0/10 Analyzing Three Failed Integration Case Studies Suski analyzes three real-world failed partnerships with WriterAccess, SEMrush, and Writesonic, illustrating how audience mismatch, legal roadblocks, and price disparity can kill integrations.14:38–17:59 · Nathan pushing back 0/10 Organic Marketing Flywheel and SERP Domination Suski presents revenue metrics showing partnerships drove $3.5M (over 30% of total revenue) and explains how 3,000 affiliates naturally dominated search engine result pages with positive reviews.17:59–18:32 · Nathan pushing back 0/10 Conclusion and Strategic Partnership Summary Suski concludes his presentation by summarizing the progression from simple affiliate programs to complex product integrations and invites founders to use their evaluation checklist.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 29.2% · guest 70.8%0:00 · Nathan 29.2% · guest 70.8%3:00 · Nathan 0% · guest 100%3:00 · Nathan 0% · guest 100%6:00 · Nathan 0% · guest 100%6:00 · Nathan 0% · guest 100%9:00 · Nathan 0% · guest 100%9:00 · Nathan 0% · guest 100%12:00 · Nathan 0% · guest 100%12:00 · Nathan 0% · guest 100%15:00 · Nathan 0% · guest 100%15:00 · Nathan 0% · guest 100%18:00 · Nathan 0% · guest 100%18:00 · Nathan 0% · guest 100%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 13:00 Walking away from SEMrush despite completed development

Suski candidly recounts turning down a completed integration with a major industry sponsor because their goals were misaligned and their legal terms were unacceptable.

 Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 0:00 Setting high editorial standards for speakers

Latka opens the podcast by establishing strict expectations for founders speaking on stage, demanding transparent revenue charts and tactical metrics.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 3:30 The real math behind 30% affiliate commissions

Suski explains why a nominal 30% affiliate commission actually nets out to only 15-20% of revenue because many buyers generated by reviews do not click the affiliate link directly.

 Nathan holds their own ▶ 0:10 Latka highlights proprietary SaaS database

Latka showcases his platform's extensive index of thousands of founder interviews searchable by granular metrics like CAC, churn, and valuation.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Scaling Surfer SEO Past $10M Through Partnerships 0000 Michal Suski delivers a solo conference talk breaking down how Surfer SEO used affiliate marketing to scale, detailing their 30% commission model and management of 3,000 affiliates. The host is not present in this monologue segment.
Navigating Friction in Software Integrations 0000 Suski outlines the typical points of friction when negotiating integrations, including code quality compromises, shifting roadmaps, billing hassles, and unfavorable legal terms from larger companies.
Case Study: The 28-Hour Jasper Integration 0000 Suski details the rapid 28-hour Jasper integration driven by mutual customer demand, followed by an in-depth framework for evaluating prospective partners across organizational agility, product synergy, and pricing models.
Analyzing Three Failed Integration Case Studies 0000 Suski analyzes three real-world failed partnerships with WriterAccess, SEMrush, and Writesonic, illustrating how audience mismatch, legal roadblocks, and price disparity can kill integrations.
Organic Marketing Flywheel and SERP Domination 0000 Suski presents revenue metrics showing partnerships drove $3.5M (over 30% of total revenue) and explains how 3,000 affiliates naturally dominated search engine result pages with positive reviews.
Conclusion and Strategic Partnership Summary 0000 Suski concludes his presentation by summarizing the progression from simple affiliate programs to complex product integrations and invites founders to use their evaluation checklist.

Statements from this episode (11)

Disclosure
Surfer SEO launched its affiliate program with a 30% recurring commission
“We started with paying 30% recurring commission.”
Michal Suski Jun 12, 2023 ▶ 3:15
Insight
Un-tracked organic halo traffic lowers Surfer's effective affiliate cost to 15-20%
“If you consider that not everyone is really following the affiliate links, you got a lot of press, you got a lot of reviews, but not every single person is using the affiliate link, so you can consider impact of affiliate marketing two times bigger than the co…”
Michal Suski Jun 12, 2023 ▶ 3:31
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Surfer SEO manages 3,000 affiliate marketers with a single part-time employee
“And as you can see right now, 3000 affiliate marketers. So we partner with 3000 affiliate marketers. A single half-time person is managing this, ah, this whole, ah, process.”
Michal Suski Jun 12, 2023 ▶ 4:04
Insight
SaaS companies can avoid partnership billing friction by using affiliate structures
“And affiliate marketing is a great help in here, because you can avoid, this is actually a good tip, you can, Remember this one. You can leave behind all of these billing issues, bundling, pricing, and stuff. If you have the affiliate setup already done, becau…”
Michal Suski Jun 12, 2023 ▶ 6:21
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Surfer SEO built and launched its Jasper integration in 28 hours
“28 hours later, we've managed to introduce the integration to the market that was really doing great.”
Michal Suski Jun 12, 2023 ▶ 7:50
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Only one of Surfer SEO's 20 product integrations actually performed well
“We've did, like, 20 integrations, and only one is really doing great.”
Michal Suski Jun 12, 2023 ▶ 8:04
Insight
Successful SaaS partnerships require matching legal and operational agility speeds
“It's not about looking for specific answers, there's no good or bad answers, it's about finding a match. So, if you do the same, if you are both legal heavy, that's okay, it will work. If you are both agile, kind of YOLO development, that's also fine. But if t…”
Michal Suski Jun 12, 2023 ▶ 10:10
Disclosure
Surfer SEO scrapped a fully built Semrush integration over legal terms
“We had everything ready, I can tell you. The design was done, ah, the product was done, everything was ready, and we had to turn it down, just because the terms and the legal stuff, we couldn't accept it.”
Michal Suski Jun 12, 2023 ▶ 13:54
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Surfer's Writesonic integration generated trials but zero conversions due to pricing
“Jasper costs similar amount as Surfer, while Ritesonic is a few times cheaper. And, well, they bring the leads, they got the trial, and no conversion. So, well, it didn't work because of the pricing.”
Michal Suski Jun 12, 2023 ▶ 14:24
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Surfer SEO dominated search by having 3,000 affiliates write review articles
“Out of these 3000 affiliates Every single one created Surfer SEO review, targeting keyword surfer SEO review, which made us really dominate the SERPs with the message that we wanted, because we, they are our affiliate.”
Michal Suski Jun 12, 2023 ▶ 15:34
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Tracked partnership commissions generated $3.5M for Surfer SEO last year
“As you can see, three point half million last year, it was over 30% of our revenue in total at Surfer. And it was all brought only by commissions that were tracked.”
Michal Suski Jun 12, 2023 ▶ 16:32
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