Esther Perel
Host, Where Should We Begin? · 2 appearances on the record.
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Esther Perel is a Belgian psychotherapist and relationship expert recognized for her work on relational intelligence and modern romance. She is the author of Mating in Captivity and The State of Affairs, and host of the podcasts Where Should We Begin? and How's Work?.
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Perel: Marriage was historically an economic enterprise separate from passion
“We've never looked for, you know, the word passionate marriage is a contradiction in terms. We've never looked for passion in the same place where we looked for security and anchoring and somebody with whom to pay the checks and fix the house. These two things…”
Perel: Core 20-year relationship conflicts are present on first two dates
“There is a theory that says that basically, whatever you discuss, the difficult conversations, if you want, that you discuss 20 years later, they were all there in the first two dates. People actually know their things. They know their key conversations from t…”
Perel: Believing you can create stability is a fiction
“To imagine that you can create stability is basically a fiction.”
Perel: Trading passion for relationship stability trades one fiction for another
“If you trade passion for stability, you basically trade one fiction for another. Both are products of our imagination”
Perel: Changing personal narratives physically alters body language and movement
“It's that the story that is linked to emotions, and emotions are embodied experiences, so when people tell you a story a certain way, they also sit in a certain way that, that leads to telling that kind of story. If you change the story, the body will move dif…”
Perel: Decades-long relationship conflicts are visible on the first two dates
“You know, there is a theory that says that basically, whatever you discuss, the difficult conversations, if you want, that you discuss 20 years later, they were all there in the first two dates. People actually know their things, they know their key conversati…”
Perel: Honesty, transparency, and confession in relationships are entirely contextual
“I think that all of those behaviors, values, interactions, honesty, transparency, confession, they are all contextual. They are all contextual.”
Perel: Long-term erotic desire requires premeditation and intentionality rather than spontaneity
“It fades because people don't necessarily invest in it and value it as something, you know, in the beginning it seems to come on its own, supposedly, so you don't have to do anything. And people have this idea that it should be spontaneous, and it should, you …”
Perel: Greater emotional intimacy can paradoxically decrease sexual openness
“The idea is greater intimacy would normally free us to greater sexual freedom and sexual openness. But in fact, that is not necessarily the case. The more we start to feel intimate with each other, and we become close, and we worry about each other, and we are…”
Perel: Longevity should not be the primary metric for relationship success
“There needs to be a way for people to, at some point, choose to separate without us still thinking that longevity is the main marker for success, that if you meet at a funeral home at the end of life, then it means you had a good relationship and that every br…”
Perel: Couples grow apart by experiencing differences as threats
“When people grow apart, it's not because they have a difference of opinion necessarily, because some couples have major differences in opinion, but they continue to remain deeply connected, curious about each other, respectful of who they are. And they, they'r…”
Perel: Sustaining relationships requires erotic intelligence and maintaining aliveness
“Mating is about how do you maintain a sense of aliveness. It is about erotic intelligence.”
Perel: The core relationship conflict is negotiating autonomy versus togetherness
“You know, I think one of the big conversations that accompanies every relationship is about closeness and separateness. What is together, and what is individualistic, or what individual, you know. How much money do you get to spend alone? And how much money, y…”
Perel: Couples grow apart from how they experience differences, not differences themselves
“Look, when people grow apart, it's not because they have a difference of opinion, necessarily, because some couples have major differences in opinion, but they continue to remain deeply connected, curious about each other, respectful of who they are, and they,…”
Perel: Relational Security Requires Both Anchored Connection and Autonomous Freedom
“To be secure in a relationship is to have both of those things. Is to be able to come back to the harbor, to anchor yourself, to feel rooted, and then to get up, to leave, and to go and play without having to worry.”
Perel: Argument choreography matters far more than the actual content
“What's really important in terms of couples and relationships in general, I will say, is that it's probably one of the golden rules, is to understand that the choreography, the form, is way more important than the content. If you have people who are going at e…”
Perel: Criticism in relationships masks vulnerable unmet desires to avoid rejection
“So instead of saying what I want, I'll say what you didn't do. That's the criticism. What you didn't do and what's wrong with you is safer in some bizarre way than to tell you what is special about me and what I would have wanted.”
Perel: Defining intimacy as sharing inner life is a recent Western concept
“Intimacy is what I share with you about my inner life. That's a very, very recent Western new definition of the word intimacy.”
Perel: Proving you are right reduces your partner's willingness to cooperate
“Because every time you tell me you're right, you're implying I'm wrong. And if you're implying I'm wrong, I'm less likely to cooperate with you.”
Perel: Consistently changing your own behavior forces your partner to adapt
“Because if you consistently start to do something different, at some point the other person has to adapt, because it's ping pong. If the ball goes to a different corner, you can't stay standing on the other side. At some point you will move.”
Perel: Love requires predictability, but desire thrives on the unknown
“Love thrives on closeness. It thrives on deep knowledge with each other. It thrives on minimizing the tensions, on narrowing the gaps, on, you know, and on a sense of predictability. You do want to know that you're going to have the same person the next mornin…”
Perel: Eroticism is cultivating experiential pleasure, not mechanical performance
“And the erotic is cultivating pleasure for its own sake. It's not about achieving an orgasm. It's not about the performance of sex. We did it. We both came. No. It's really about the quality of the experience and of the pleasure that you experienced, and where…”
Perel: People expend best energy outside, bringing leftovers home to partners
“What they're going to do is they're going to be so engaged throughout the day, and then they're going to go home, and basically they're going to bring the leftovers home. And at home, they're going to talk very little, actually. Or they're going to check in on…”
Perel: Asking partners how they played as children reveals core psychological truths
“It's such a revealing question, what, how you played as a child. What kind of, what did you allow yourself to play? Did you have the permission to play? Was it safe enough to play? And what kind of play did you engage yourself in? Boy, does that tell you an am…”
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Appearances (2)
| Episode | Date | Speaking time |
|---|---|---|
| TKP Insights: Sex and Relationships | Jun 21, 2022 | 8m |
| #71 Esther Perel: Cultivating Desire | Dec 10, 2019 | 1h 0m |