Sep 10, 2026 · 38m · how-i-built-this
Advice Line with Kip Tindell of The Container Store
Guy Raz · 16m spoken Kip Tindell · 10m spoken Juliette Bruce · 3m spoken David Haim · 2m spoken Caitlin Kao · 1m spoken
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In this episode of The Advice Line, Guy Raz and The Container Store co-founder Kip Tindell coach early-stage entrepreneurs on scaling sustainably, navigating wholesale expansion, and turning viral inventions into enduring brands.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Guy holds 49.8% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Guy as informed peer 5.1 Guest teaching 2.9 Guest disagreement 0.7 Guy pushing back 0.8
speaking balance: gold is Guy, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 22:15 Kip Dismisses Trade Shows and Big Accounts
Kip directly rejects two of David's proposed growth avenues, arguing larger retail accounts shouldn't be chased early and bluntly stating trade shows are fading and not worth the investment.
Hardest push from Guy ▶ 34:21 Guy Pushes Back on IP ObsessionGuy offers a clear counterweight to Kip's strong recommendation to hire patent attorneys, citing TRX to caution that fighting copycats can consume and derail a young business.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 29:49 Caitlin Reveals Staggering Viral TractionCaitlin surprises both hosts by detailing that Kaomi Sleep generated $635,000 in revenue and 197 million social views entirely organically within eight months of launch while she was in business school.
Guy holds their own ▶ 24:30 Guy Deconstructs the Sweetwater PlaybookGuy demonstrates command of retail operations and customer retention by outlining Sweetwater's specific client-card relationship strategy that beats giants like Amazon.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Guy as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Guy pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| The Container Store's Trajectory, Bankruptcy, and Retail Impermanence | 6 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Guy displays clear familiarity with The Container Store's historical timeline, noting its 2013 IPO, subsequent bankruptcy, and $150M acquisition. Kip reflects calmly on retail shifts and the natural impermanence of long-running businesses. | |
| High-Touch Human Service Versus Frictionless Retail Automation | 5 | 3 | 1 | 2 | Kip outlines how automated, frictionless retail has replaced high-touch solution selling. Guy counters slightly by pointing out that premium human customer service remains a viable competitive moat, citing his local hardware store. | |
| Sustainable Growth Philosophy: Resisting Excessive Corporate Scaling | 4 | 4 | 2 | 0 | Guy asks about managing growth versus profitability. Kip pushes back against the tech world's hyper-growth mindset, explaining his deliberate 20% growth ceiling to prevent company burnout. | |
| Juliette Bruce Presents the Cooler Wand Innovation | 5 | 3 | 0 | 0 | Caller Juliette Bruce explains Cooler Wand's genesis, materials, and production in Portugal. Guy quickly grasps the concept, comparing it to reusable whiskey stones and BPA-free baby food containers. | |
| Discovery Strategies and Organic Demonstrations for Cooler Wand | 6 | 2 | 0 | 1 | Juliette asks for discovery strategies on a tight budget. Guy offers a concrete social media marketing playbook involving side-by-side thermometer demonstrations and micro-influencer outreach. | |
| Mid-Roll Break and JustWorks Sponsor Message | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 | Following the mid-roll ad read, David Haim joins and presents Hazel Grove Customs, revealing that wholesale accounts for over 50% of revenue and yields higher margins than direct-to-consumer sales. | |
| Strategic Advice on Wholesale Growth and Customer Retention | 7 | 2 | 2 | 1 | Kip advises David against large accounts and dying trade shows. Guy contributes deep domain knowledge by detailing Sweetwater's high-touch CRM and personalized customer service playbook. | |
| Post-Call Insights: The Trend of Acquiring Existing Small Businesses | 5 | 4 | 0 | 0 | Guy notes the growing trend of acquisition entrepreneurship targeting retiring boomers. Caitlin Kao then introduces Kaomi Sleep, stunning the hosts with $635K in revenue and 197 million organic views in just 8 months. | |
| Protecting Intellectual Property and Building an Enduring Sleep Brand | 7 | 2 | 1 | 3 | While Kip urges heavy focus on securing patent attorneys, Guy politely counter-balances the advice by warning Caitlin not to let knockoffs obsess her, citing the cautionary case of TRX, and pushes her to build an overarching sleep brand. | |
| Entrepreneurial Authenticity and Advice to a Younger Self | 4 | 3 | 0 | 0 | Guy prompts Kip for advice to his younger self. Kip emphasizes patience and humility, invoking Tiger Woods practicing on the range at night. Guy closes with Kip's classic anecdote about opening a store selling empty boxes. |
Statements from this episode (13)
Raz: The Container Store filed bankruptcy and was acquired for $150M
“Soon after, you know, we spoke, the Container Store, which you are not involved with at all anymore, but it announced it was filing for bankruptcy, and then I think a few months ago, it was actually acquired by
Buy Bed Bath & Beyond for about a hundred and fi…”
Tindell: Modern retail no longer needs the best, highest-paid salespeople
“There's really no people involved. There's no reason to have the highest paid, best salespeople in the industry anymore.”
Tindell capped The Container Store's annual growth at 20% for 40 years
“I always pegged our growth at 20% a year, which in those days, 20% growth was astronomically fast. Now, it's not anymore, you know, with technology companies and that type of thing, but it, boy, retail back then, 20%, and I just stopped it at 20%, because goin…”
Tindell: Entrepreneurs should work with their spouses and friends
“Sharon and I built this business together, and I love, I think you should work with the people you love. People say, oh, you shouldn't work with your spouse. You shouldn't work with your friends. Yes, you should. That's who, that's exactly who you should work.…”
Haim: Hazel Grove Customs has better profit margins on wholesale than retail
“And the margins on wholesale are shockingly actually better than retail because people are buying a whole lot more at wholesale and they're not buying like a six or seven dollar item that I have to turn around and ship.”
Haim: Hazel Grove Customs generated over $300k last year and aims for $350k
“So this year I'm hoping for about three 50. Last year we did just over 300. We're up about 15% over the year before.”
Tindell: Trade shows are fading and not worth the investment
“Trade shows are fading, you know, we have wholesale websites and all of that. I wouldn't spend the money and time and effort into trade shows”
Raz: Retiring baby boomers sell businesses cheaply and offer mentorship
“A lot of them want to sell their business, and many of them want to sell their businesses for a relatively small amount of money. Sometimes are also willing to mentor whoever buys it, and so there are some really interesting opportunities out there.”
Kao: Kaomi Sleep achieved $635k in revenue in eight months
“I launched Kaomi Sleep in November, 25, only eight months ago, while attending USC Marshall's full-time MBA program, and in just eight months, we've done 635,000 dollars in revenue.”
Kao: Sherpa Nest generated over 197M organic views without outside capital
“So, the Sherpa Nest had over a hundred ninety-seven million social media views, a hundred percent organically, which allowed us to scale through a pre-order model without raising outside capital.”
Kao: Kaomi Sleep holds provisional patent and fights 113+ scam copycats
“Right now we have a provisional patent for the Sherpa Nest, and then we also have the Sherpa Nest pending a trademark, and we actually have experienced a lot of scams and copyright infringements. I think we had over a 113 different accounts scamming other peop…”
Raz: Virality is borrowed attention; build brands around feelings, not products
“Virality is borrowed attention, right? And so the question is, and it's a good question is how do you, it's not how do you maintain that momentum? You won't be able to get a hundred and ninety seven million views again and again and again. But it's how do you …”
Raz: Obsessing over copycats can consume and damage a business
“When it comes to the knockoffs and the copycats, I mean, it's gonna happen. I would be really careful not to let it distract you and obsess you, because as we've seen on the show in the past, it can really damage Businesses. TRX, you know, that, that was, they…”