Form Energy

11 statements across 3 episodes · 7 bullish · 0 bearish · 3 people on the record · first statement May 25, 2023 by Andy Lubershane · said 63 times in 18 episodes since 2022 · across every show →

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brought up most by Shayle Kann (47), Brian Janous (4), Mateo Jaramillo (3), Yet-Ming Chiang (2), Jigar Shah (1), Jamie Daggett (1), Andy Lubershane (1)

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May 25, 2023 bullish
Assertion Supported
Lubershane: Form Energy's 100-hour battery will cost under a tenth of lithium-ion
“Form is on track to achieve a total installed cost. We're not talking about the cost of the materials here, but a total installed cost for a approximately a hundred hour battery system, which is basically a four day battery system that is in the ballpark of a …”
Andy Lubershane May 25, 2023 ▶ 40:59 Four ways to store sunlight
Dec 14, 2023 neutral
Assertion Supported
Jaramillo: Iron-Air Battery Chemistry Has Never Been Commercialized
“We did not invent the chemistry, it's been around for some time, but it's never been commercialized.”
Mateo Jaramillo Dec 14, 2023 ▶ 25:36 What do you do with a 100-hour battery?
Dec 14, 2023 neutral
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Jaramillo: ERCOT price spreads justify 1-to-4-hour batteries, not 100-hour arbitrage
“Right now, there aren't enough hours that have a long enough spread where it makes sense to have a hundred hour bar doing that. It does make sense for a four hour or two hour battery or even a one hour battery, frankly in ERCOT.”
Mateo Jaramillo Dec 14, 2023 ▶ 41:26 What do you do with a 100-hour battery?
Dec 14, 2023 positive
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Kann: Form Energy Is Only Sizable Company Building 100-Hour Batteries
“Form Energy, which is really the only sizable company that is building a 100 hour battery, or as they call it, a multi-day storage asset.”
Shayle Kann Dec 14, 2023 ▶ 4:09 What do you do with a 100-hour battery?
Dec 14, 2023 bullish
Assertion Supported
Jaramillo: Iron-Air Raw Materials Cost Under $1/kWh vs $30–$35 for Lithium-Ion
“One quick point of reference, you know, lithium ion active materials. So you pull the active materials out of the ground, you put them on the table, it's maybe 30, 35 dollars a kilowatt hour, unprocessed, right? Not turned into a cell at all. For us, it's less…”
Mateo Jaramillo Dec 14, 2023 ▶ 25:57 What do you do with a 100-hour battery?
Dec 14, 2023
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Jaramillo: Electric grid will need to double in size by 2045-2050
“It's trending that we would double this, we would need a grid, which is twice the size that it is today, by about 20, 45, twenty-fifty, roughly, given the growth rates.”
Mateo Jaramillo Dec 14, 2023 ▶ 47:52 What do you do with a 100-hour battery?
Dec 14, 2023 bullish
Prediction Open · timeframe Dec 2028
Jaramillo: Grids will pay for 100-hour storage at $20 per kWh
“All the modeling that we did confirmed by third priority modeling is that a hundred hours and 20 dollars per kilowatt hour is sort of the magic combination. And if you can hit 20 dollars per kilowatt hour, the system will pay for a hundred hours of duration.”
Mateo Jaramillo Dec 14, 2023 ▶ 22:06 What do you do with a 100-hour battery?
Dec 14, 2023 positive
Insight
Jaramillo: Multi-day storage matches the 3-5 day duration of material weather events
“The reason why that number of hours, you know, four days roughly becomes relevant is because that's where a lot of the material weather events sort of sit in terms of duration.”
Mateo Jaramillo Dec 14, 2023 ▶ 19:01 What do you do with a 100-hour battery?
Dec 14, 2023 positive
Disclosure
Jaramillo: Form Energy is building a 1,500-megawatt-hour battery for Georgia Power
“We, we're doing a project with them. It's slated to be about 15 megawatts, so on a power basis, not, not so large, but about 1500 megawatt hours.”
Mateo Jaramillo Dec 14, 2023 ▶ 27:06 What do you do with a 100-hour battery?
Dec 14, 2023 neutral
Insight
Jaramillo: Grid storage value drops between 12 and 75 hours of duration
“What we find in the modeling is that there's a lot of value for sort of up to 10 or 12 hours, let's say. There is less value. I'm not going to put a specific number, but there's, there is less value that we see very markedly in the system until you get back up…”
Mateo Jaramillo Dec 14, 2023 ▶ 17:02 What do you do with a 100-hour battery?
Mar 28, 2024 bullish
Insight
Kann: Renewable firm capacity requires both short and multi-day storage
“To make renewables truly capacity, you generally need multiple types of storage. You need some storage that's gonna, you know, do your daily peak shaving type of thing, your four-hour lithium ion, you know, workhorse of the grid type of thing. But then increas…”
Shayle Kann Mar 28, 2024 ▶ 25:49 The electricity gauntlet has arrived
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