ammonia

30 statements across 12 episodes · 5 bullish · 3 bearish · 10 people on the record · first statement Jan 24, 2022 by Rebecca Dell · across every show →

Everything said about ammonia, oldest first

Jan 24, 2022 neutral
Assertion Partly supported
Dell: Global Ammonia Production Generates 1.5% of Total Greenhouse Gas Emissions
“Ammonia is the chemical, the single chemical product that we make in the largest quantity. We make almost two hundred million tons a year of ammonia globally, and it's responsible for like one and a half percent of all greenhouse gas emissions, just ammonia.”
Rebecca Dell Jan 24, 2022 ▶ 8:50 The many pathways to decarbonizing chemicals
May 12, 2022
Assertion Partly supported
Kann: Global ammonia production comes from roughly 300 Haber-Bosch facilities
“There are only three hundred-some Haber-Bosch plants in the world. So all of the ammonia that we produce basically today comes from like three hundred-some facilities.”
Shayle Kann May 12, 2022 ▶ 14:39 Shayle’s “ask me anything” episode
Jun 23, 2022 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Kann: Clean hydrogen will significantly decarbonize ammonia, chemicals, and heavy industry
“In the sectors where, first of all, we already use hydrogen, things like ammonia and chemicals production and then potentially in a few other really difficult to abate industrial sectors including to some extent in the power sector, I think hydrogen is going t…”
Shayle Kann Jun 23, 2022 ▶ 28:27 Which tech is overhyped, underhyped and just right?
Oct 20, 2022 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Fleece: Imported ammonia will be used directly rather than cracked to hydrogen
“I think, at the end of the day, what's going to happen is that ammonia is going to be sold into international markets for, as ammonia.”
Gnevamir Fleece Oct 20, 2022 ▶ 28:25 What’s holding up hydrogen in Europe?
Oct 20, 2022 neutral
Assertion Supported
Fleece: Around 80% of hydrogen transport projects use ammonia
“Frankly, most of these projects, I think something like 80% use ammonia as a hydrogen carrier”
Gnevamir Fleece Oct 20, 2022 ▶ 28:16 What’s holding up hydrogen in Europe?
Jan 5, 2023 neutral
Assertion Supported
Friedmann: Global ammonia market is 180 million tons and $60 billion annually
“Today we make about a hundred and eighty million tons a year of ammonia worldwide. And the total ammonia market is sixty billion dollars, which is shockingly small, actually.”
Julio Friedmann Jan 5, 2023 ▶ 4:46 Ammonia: the beer of decarbonization
Jan 5, 2023 neutral
Assertion Supported
Friedmann: Science is unsure if atmospheric ammonia increases or decreases net warming
“As we looked into this in our report, one of the things we discovered is that if ammonia gets in the air and atmosphere, we do not know today whether it makes greenhouse gas warming bigger or smaller. A lot of evidence suggests it improves greenhouse gas warmi…”
Julio Friedmann Jan 5, 2023 ▶ 45:00 Ammonia: the beer of decarbonization
Jan 5, 2023
Assertion Supported
Friedmann: Shipping liquefied hydrogen adds $3 per gallon equivalent compared to ammonia
“If you tried to liquefy hydrogen and ship that instead of ammonia, and then regasify it at the other end, that basically adds about three dollars a gallon gasoline equivalent compared to just moving ammonia around.”
Julio Friedmann Jan 5, 2023 ▶ 20:48 Ammonia: the beer of decarbonization
Jan 5, 2023 negative
Assertion Supported
Kann: Ammonia production and application create over 2% of global emissions
“Ammonia production alone is close to two percent of global emissions, and then its application creates actually an even larger amount of emissions in the form of nitrous oxide, which I keep teasing as a future topic, but is important.”
Shayle Kann Jan 5, 2023 ▶ 2:33 Ammonia: the beer of decarbonization
Jan 5, 2023 neutral
Prediction Held up
Friedmann: Ammonia power generation will be limited to select Asian economies
“I do think it's going to be unusual to It's going to be big in those economies, but not the rest of the world. India is not going to do this. The US is not going to do this. South Africa is not going to do this. They have other options. And so ammonia is a pow…”
Julio Friedmann Jan 5, 2023 ▶ 22:09 Ammonia: the beer of decarbonization
Jan 5, 2023 neutral
Prediction Open · timeframe Dec 2050
Friedmann: Maritime shipping will use a mix of methanol and ammonia by 2050
“But in twenty-fifty, I think we're going to end up with a blend of both, in part because we're starting already with methanol. People are making investments in methanol ships and methanol bunkering because they want to decarbonize rapidly by twenty-thirty. And…”
Julio Friedmann Jan 5, 2023 ▶ 30:05 Ammonia: the beer of decarbonization
Jan 5, 2023 positive
Prediction Open · timeframe Jan 2028
Friedmann: Japan will use ammonia in its steel mills
“Japan is going to be putting ammonia into its steel mills”
Julio Friedmann Jan 5, 2023 ▶ 31:12 Ammonia: the beer of decarbonization
Jul 13, 2023 positive
Prediction Open · timeframe Jul 2033
Corbeau: LOHC and ammonia will lead hydrogen carrier cost race next decade
“I think right now it's a battle between LOHC and ammonia in terms of costs for the kind of next 10 years.”
Anne-Sophie Corbeau Jul 13, 2023 ▶ 34:06 The early days of transoceanic hydrogen transport
Jul 13, 2023 neutral
Assertion Supported
Corbeau: Japan's Hydrogen Strategy Envisages 20% Ammonia Co-Firing with Coal
“When you are looking at, you know, the Japanese hydrogen strategy, they do envisage to use that combined with coal. So right now they are looking at coal firing with 20% of ammonia, and this is why it could be potentially a bigger market for ammonia.”
Anne-Sophie Corbeau Jul 13, 2023 ▶ 30:16 The early days of transoceanic hydrogen transport
Oct 5, 2023 neutral
Assertion Supported
Ball: Ammonia distribution costs can reach double the production cost
“With, you know, ammonia, we did a deep dive on what those distribution costs could be, and, you know, you, depending on where you are in, in the U.S., or, and I'll stay U.S. Centered, but this is even more so outside the U.S., Those distribution and transport …”
Dr. Melissa Ball Oct 5, 2023 ▶ 30:38 Climate tech startups need strong techno-economic analysis (TEA)
Jul 12, 2024 bearish
Assertion Supported
Loo: Meeting 2030 targets requires doubling globally traded ammonia volumes
“In order to reach that number, the Global Maritime Forum has done some calculations and showed that we need, the sector needs to adopt 10% green fuels by then. 10% green fuels, we already said, you know, that shipping bunkers, three hundred million tons, 10% o…”
Dr. Lynn Loo Jul 12, 2024 ▶ 35:31 Decarbonizing the high seas
Jul 12, 2024 neutral
Assertion Open · timeframe Dec 2050
Loo: Ammonia output must reach 600 to 700 million tons by 2050
“The projection is we need, we will see about six to seven hundred million tons of ammonia by 20 50. Today, it's only about two hundred million tons that's being produced, right?”
Dr. Lynn Loo Jul 12, 2024 ▶ 42:17 Decarbonizing the high seas
Jul 12, 2024 neutral
Assertion Supported
Loo: Ammonia and methanol need 2.5 times more volume than heavy fuel
“The volumetric energy density is significantly lower than heavy fuel oil, and so you would need approximately two and a half times, whether we're talking about ammonia or methanol compared to heavy fuel oil to go the same distance.”
Dr. Lynn Loo Jul 12, 2024 ▶ 28:41 Decarbonizing the high seas
Jul 12, 2024 positive
Prediction Held up
Loo: Projections show ammonia will eventually be cheaper than e-methanol
“In the long term, if you look at the projections and the numbers, I think if costs were the driver, then the cost of ammonia is going to be cheaper than the cost of e-methanol.”
Dr. Lynn Loo Jul 12, 2024 ▶ 25:01 Decarbonizing the high seas
Aug 23, 2024
Assertion Supported
Johnson: Hydrogen accounts for 75% of ammonia production costs
“I mean, if you look at the economics on almost all these, 75% of the cost of ammonia is hydrogen.”
Pete Johnson Aug 23, 2024 ▶ 30:49 Hunting for geologic hydrogen
Aug 23, 2024 neutral
Insight
Johnson: Commercial hydrogen discoveries require 10k-50k tons annually over decades
“If you want to produce liquid hydrogen, you got to be producing 10,000 tons per year, give or take. If you want to be, you know, producing ammonia, you know, you're probably in the neighborhood of like, 50,000 tons per year is a good amount of hydrogen. So I w…”
Pete Johnson Aug 23, 2024 ▶ 40:07 Hunting for geologic hydrogen
Oct 31, 2024
Assertion Supported
Ball: Ammonia transport costs can be double the levelized production costs
“Ammonia, you know, we did a deep dive on what those distribution costs could be, and, you know, you, depending on where you are in, in the U.S., or, and I'll stay U.S. Centered, but this is even more so outside the U.S., Those distribution and transport costs …”
Dr. Melissa Ball Oct 31, 2024 ▶ 31:05 Why climate tech startups get this one thing wrong
Nov 21, 2024 neutral
Assertion Supported
Ball: Transport costs create a 25 percent price umbrella for decentralized ammonia
“You know, again, that five to 600 dollars a ton selling price, about maybe 20, 25% of that is transportation. So there is some budget, even within the U.S., for these decentralized approaches.”
Dr. Melissa Ball Nov 21, 2024 ▶ 38:17 TEA breakdown: green ammonia and synthetic methane
Nov 21, 2024 bearish
Insight
Thiel: Air separation units are difficult to scale down economically
“You can get them at many, many different scales from small to world scale, and you see some big Economies of scale effects there, so hard to scale down.”
Dr. Greg Thiel Nov 21, 2024 ▶ 23:44 TEA breakdown: green ammonia and synthetic methane
Nov 21, 2024
Assertion Supported
Ball: US long-term average ammonia price is $500 to $600/ton
“The long-term average selling price of ammonia in the US between five to 600 dollars a ton”
Dr. Melissa Ball Nov 21, 2024 ▶ 10:25 TEA breakdown: green ammonia and synthetic methane
Nov 21, 2024 neutral
Assertion Supported
Ball: Hydrogen production causes roughly 80% of ammonia GHG emissions
“The steam methane reforming and the hydrogen production is responsible for around like 80% of the GHG emissions that come from ammonia because of this process.”
Dr. Melissa Ball Nov 21, 2024 ▶ 7:13 TEA breakdown: green ammonia and synthetic methane
Nov 21, 2024
Assertion Supported
Ball: Green ammonia electricity costs $210 per ton at 2 cents/kWh
“So, in the in the example I just gave, so if you were saying two cents for energy cost, and we were saying it's 50 kilowatt hours per kilogram of hydrogen input, that's about 20 cents a kilo of ammonia, or 210 dollars per ton. So, almost half your budget, if w…”
Dr. Melissa Ball Nov 21, 2024 ▶ 14:08 TEA breakdown: green ammonia and synthetic methane
Nov 21, 2024 neutral
Assertion Supported
Ball: SMR provides about 75% of hydrogen for ammonia production
“Today, about 75% of the hydrogen that feeds, ah, the ammonia loop comes from a process called steam methane reforming”
Dr. Melissa Ball Nov 21, 2024 ▶ 6:31 TEA breakdown: green ammonia and synthetic methane
Nov 21, 2024
Assertion Partly supported
Kann: Just 300 massive Haber-Bosch plants produce all global fertilizer ammonia
“Like there's like 300 some of them in the world, which is crazy, because they produce all the ammonia for all the fertilizer in the entire universe. They're massive, massive plants.”
Shayle Kann Nov 21, 2024 ▶ 19:36 TEA breakdown: green ammonia and synthetic methane
Nov 13, 2025
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Garabedian: Electric Hydrogen can produce Brazilian ammonia at $700-$750/ton today
“Brazil's grid is around 90% green already. And power prices at least away from the coastal economic centers are quite low. 30 to 35 dollars a megawatt hour. That in and of itself allows us to make on the order of seven to 750 dollar a ton of ammonia today with…”
Rafi Garabedian Nov 13, 2025 ▶ 36:40 Driving down the cost of green hydrogen
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