market

also referred to as: markets · the market

35 statements across 31 episodes · 7 bullish · 14 bearish · 30 people on the record · first statement May 2, 2017 by Patrick O'Shaughnessy · across every show →

Everything said about market, oldest first

May 2, 2017 neutral
Assertion Supported
O'Shaughnessy: 10-year real equity returns strongly inversely correlate with Shiller P/E
“When you look at the correlation Correlation between the current Shiller P.E. And the future 10 years of real returns in the market, it's very high. It's something like .7 or point, maybe even higher than that.7. So pretty reliably, what that means is if you b…”
Patrick O'Shaughnessy May 2, 2017 ▶ 25:37 The Bet with Buffett (Capital Allocators, EP.05)
Jan 8, 2018
Assertion Supported
Mauboussin: Unweighted Data Shows 40% Of Active Managers Beat Markets Annually
“Unweighted numbers, about 40% of managers beat the market in an average year. And the standard deviation is high. It's like 17% standard deviation.”
Michael Mauboussin Jan 8, 2018 ▶ 23:29 Michael Mauboussin – Active Challenges, Rational Decisions and Team Dynamics (Capital Allocators, EP.36)
Oct 8, 2018 positive
Assertion Supported
Batnick: Benjamin Graham beat the market by almost 2% annually
“Now, he did beat the market by almost two percent a year for a decent amount of time, so they were very good.”
Michael Batnick Oct 8, 2018 ▶ 13:15 Michael Batnick - The Best Investors and Their Biggest Mistakes (Capital Allocators, EP.71)
Feb 4, 2019 positive
Insight
Millennium's multi-decade track record statistically disproves efficient markets
“It's in decades, not in single digit years with hundreds of different groups on board. And it would be impossible statistically to think that that's random at this point. Let's put it that way. They continue to do well.”
Steve Kuhn Feb 4, 2019 ▶ 19:27 Steve Kuhn – Life After Hedge Funds (Capital Allocators, EP.85)
Feb 4, 2019 positive
Insight
Kuhn: Hedge funds correcting market mispricings is a pro-social activity
“They're trying to find mistakes in markets and correct them. And I think that's actually a pro-social idea.”
Steve Kuhn Feb 4, 2019 ▶ 20:05 Steve Kuhn – Life After Hedge Funds (Capital Allocators, EP.85)
Jul 29, 2019 negative
Insight
Hedge funds that merely short indices cannot beat the market after fees
“And so people that just short the indices and call themselves a hedge fund, by definition, after fees, you can't beat the market.”
Jon Harris Jul 29, 2019 ▶ 51:45 Jon Harris – Investing in People at AIM (Capital Allocators, EP.105)
Oct 7, 2019 neutral
Insight
Tepper: Markets price directional economic change and surprise, not absolute quality
“It doesn't matter whether the economy is good or bad. What matters is the change in the direction. So markets are all about surprise.”
Jonathan Tepper Oct 7, 2019 ▶ 12:01 Jonathan Tepper - Variant Perception of Capitalism (Capital Allocators, EP.110)
Feb 17, 2020 neutral
Assertion Supported
Small-cap value underperforms or drops in 50% of years
“If you add up the years when the market is down, and then the years that small value underperforms the rest of the market, that's 50% of years.”
Dan Rasmussen Feb 17, 2020 ▶ 47:39 Dan Rasmussen – Private Equity Risk and Public Equity Opportunity at Verdad Advisers (First Meeting, EP.15)
Mar 23, 2020 neutral
Insight
Mauboussin: Market information cascades propagate using identical network dynamics to physical viruses
“This is also how ideas spread. We talk about this really much in the context of markets. What is an information cascade? It's an idea propagating across a network. Why do we all come to uniform beliefs and markets from time to time? Same basic. It's a mind vir…”
Michael Mauboussin Mar 23, 2020 ▶ 23:50 Michael Mauboussin – Consilient Observations in a Crisis (Capital Allocators, EP.127)
Apr 20, 2020 bearish
Insight
Duke: Retail investors trying to beat full-time market professionals is pure folly
“Over time, the market's going to be efficient, and for you to think that you could pick out the very little places where it's inefficient against the people who are literally spending their lives doing it is a folly that other people get trapped in.”
Annie Duke Apr 20, 2020 ▶ 29:24 Annie Duke – Decision Making in a Crisis (Capital Allocators, EP.132)
Apr 30, 2020 bearish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
McCusker: Markets are more likely to experience a short-term downward snapback
“In the short term, I think it's just Really hard to look at things and say, all right, we're moving forward and markets are going up and we're going to buy more when it feels like the market's gotten a little bit ahead of itself and we're more likely to see a …”
Tim McCusker Apr 30, 2020 ▶ 5:13 Tim McCusker – Advising Through a Crisis at NEPC (Capital Allocators, EP.135)
Jun 11, 2020 negative
Insight
Ma: Financial markets fail to price in externalities and systemic risks
“Really seeing the excesses during the boom times and seeing the despair and the irrational behavior right after the crisis just made me realize that, wow, like markets are highly inefficient. They are not pricing in externalities and these systemic risks.”
Liqian Ma Jun 11, 2020 ▶ 9:24 Sustainable Investing 2: Liqian Ma – Allocator Perspective (Capital Allocators, EP.140)
Jun 15, 2020
Insight
Economic models must match market discount rates rather than picking arbitrarily.
“You don't get to pick a discount rate. You have to match it to the discount rates you see in the market.”
Bob Litterman Jun 15, 2020 ▶ 13:26 Sustainable Investing 3: Bob Litterman – Pricing Climate Risk (Capital Allocators, EP.141)
Sep 7, 2020
Assertion Partly supported
The 1929 market crash actually recovered by 1936 when accounting for dividends
“After the crash of 1929, the market did not exceed its previous high until 1956, which is true if you don't include dividends. If you do include dividends, the right answer is 1936.”
Morgan Housel Sep 7, 2020 ▶ 1:04:52 Morgan Housel – The Psychology of Money (Capital Allocators, EP.155)
Dec 21, 2020 negative
Insight
André Perold: Public markets struggle to price three-to-five-year horizons
“The markets are focused on this quarter, next quarter. They don't look out five years. The markets have a great problem looking out five years for some reason. Three to five years is very difficult for people to want to bet on. And they'd like to see near term…”
André Perold Dec 21, 2020 ▶ 37:35 André Perold – Pockets of Inefficiency at HighVista Strategies (Capital Allocators, EP.169)
Mar 8, 2021 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Peters: Market Overprices Digital Asset Risks, Keeping Valuations Artificially Low
“I think as a fiduciary, we're doing the right thing because I think the market is overpricing all these risks, and that's why the price is low relative to where it will be.”
Eric Peters Mar 8, 2021 ▶ 39:39 Crypto for Institutions 1: Eric Peters – The Macro Case for Bitcoin (Capital Allocators, EP.180)
Apr 18, 2022 bullish
Opinion
Lenehan: Biotech and Software Were Probably Way Oversold in Early 2022
“The market went from being heavy risk on to heavy risk off in those particular sectors, and probably was way overbought, and now it's probably way oversold.”
Tom Lenehan Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 43:00 Tom Lenehan – Taking the Helm at the Wallace Foundation (Capital Allocators, EP.246)
Jun 2, 2022 negative
Opinion
Drogen: Investors claiming to consistently outsmart the market are merely lucky
“When people believe that that's the case, I sit there and I just look at survivorship bias and say, the only people who are still around saying that are basically the lucky ones.”
Leigh Drogen Jun 2, 2022 ▶ 57:32 Leigh Drogen – Quantamental Approach to Crypto at Starkiller Capital (Manager Meeting, EP.32)
Jun 2, 2022 neutral
Insight
Drogen: Markets discount two to five years out, not a decade
“And they're not really discounting a decade out, but they are discounting two, three, four or five years out.”
Leigh Drogen Jun 2, 2022 ▶ 23:29 Leigh Drogen – Quantamental Approach to Crypto at Starkiller Capital (Manager Meeting, EP.32)
Jun 16, 2022 bullish
Opinion
McKeon: Decentralized trades without counterparties are revolutionary for market structure
“It's like, wow, I just executed a trade, and there was no counterparty on the other side. That's revolutionary relative to the way markets have worked for hundreds of years.”
Stephen McKeon Jun 16, 2022 ▶ 57:43 Stephen McKeon – NFTs and the Consumer in Web3 (EP.255, Crypto for Institutions 2, EP.02)
Jul 4, 2022 negative
Insight
Chhabra: Modern portfolio theory fails by ignoring markets' extreme social instability
“It completely misses the point that markets are this crazy beast that are totally uncertain because they're really a product of social activity, and over long periods of time, any social activity has huge variations.”
Ashvin Chhabra Jul 4, 2022 ▶ 16:39 Ashvin Chhabra – The Aspirational Investor (Capital Allocators, EP.260)
Jul 11, 2022 bearish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Citrone: Markets May Bottom in Six or Seven Months at Lower Levels
“It's possible the markets may bottom in the next six or seven months, but probably at much lower levels than here.”
Rob Citrone Jul 11, 2022 ▶ 44:50 Rob Citrone – Emerging Markets, Hedge Funds, and Staying in the Game (Capital Allocators, EP.261)
Aug 15, 2022 bearish
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Enright: 2022 Drawdowns Driven by Longs Falling 50% Without Short Protection
“I think the drawdowns that we've seen are because Hedge fund longs are on average down 50 or 60% in a market that's down 30, and shorts either don't exist, or the shorts are down like 10.”
Paul Enright Aug 15, 2022 ▶ 36:07 Paul Enright – Inside Long-Short Equity Investing (Capital Allocators, EP.266)
Jul 17, 2023 bearish
Opinion
Klarman: Markets have not begun to sort out the everything bubble
“I'm not convinced that we've even begun to sort out that bubble.”
Seth Klarman Jul 17, 2023 ▶ 1:03:47 Seth Klarman – Timeless Value Investing (EP.328)
Oct 9, 2023
Insight
Sawtell-Rickson: Markets are complex adaptive systems with medium-term predictability
“My personal view on markets is very much That they tend towards being complex adaptive systems. I think we can talk about them as complex environments, but there is a level of predictability, and we do think markets are somewhat predictable over the medium ter…”
Sonya Sawtell-Rickson Oct 9, 2023 ▶ 13:31 Sonya Sawtell-Rickson – Total Portfolio Approach at Australian Superannuation HESTA (EP.342)
Oct 16, 2023 negative
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Corre: Financial Markets Were Very Bad at Pricing Legal Risk in the Late 1990s
“And what I found was, this is in the late nineties, so things have changed a little bit. The market was really, really bad at pricing legal risk.”
Isaac Corre Oct 16, 2023 ▶ 6:38 Isaac Corre – Event-Driven Investing at Governors Lane (EP.344)
May 13, 2024 positive
Opinion
Asness: Markets are more efficient and harder to beat than active managers think
“Even today, I think the markets are more efficient, I think, probably than the average active manager. I think they're hard to beat.”
Cliff Asness May 13, 2024 ▶ 16:57 Cliff Asness - Simple Investing is Hard (EP.385)
Mar 3, 2025 bearish
Opinion
Zorub: Extremely crowded market positioning could easily trigger major risk-off event
“The market is not just all on one side of the boat. Everyone's in the bow of that boat, and it will not take much to potentially tip it and create a major risk off event.”
David Zorub Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 54:42 David Zorub - Navigating Hedge Fund Headwinds at Parsifal (EP.434)
Mar 3, 2025 neutral
Insight
Zorub: Portfolio managers must learn the market is right on failed theses
“When you transition from analyst to portfolio manager, it's a big and often difficult transition, but one of the most important things that you learn is, as an analyst, your job is to know everything there is about an idea, and when your idea is not playing ou…”
David Zorub Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 30:36 David Zorub - Navigating Hedge Fund Headwinds at Parsifal (EP.434)
Apr 7, 2025 negative
Insight
Marks: Public markets grade companies daily without understanding them
“We were semi-public from O seven to 12, and then public from 12 to 19, and people would say, how is that? I'd say, well, it's fine, except that every day you get a report card from somebody who doesn't know your business that well, called the market.”
Howard Marks Apr 7, 2025 ▶ 46:01 Howard Marks – Navigating Private Credit (EP.439)
Apr 14, 2025
Insight
Papic: Markets React to Rate of Change in Geopolitical Risk, Not Absolute Levels
“One of the things that I think is very important as investors start to incorporate politics and geopolitics more and more into their toolbox is just to understand that while you as a human being really cares about absolute levels of risk, the market is not hum…”
Marko Papic Apr 14, 2025 ▶ 1:02:28 Geopolitical Uncertainty – James Aitken, Louis-Vincent Gave, and Marko Papic (EP.440)
Sep 15, 2025
Opinion
Meli: Public equity markets may be growing less efficient due to indexing
“I have a sneaking hypothesis that I'm hesitant to say out here because there's a high probability I'm wrong, but I will say it. I feel like the market's becoming a little less efficient in certain areas, and I'll explain it.”
Adrian Meli Sep 15, 2025 ▶ 40:16 Adrian Meli – Active Equity Excellence at Eagle (EP.459)
Nov 20, 2025 neutral
Opinion
Mahr: Decades-long trend toward market efficiency broke in recent years
“It does feel like the markets are different in the last couple of years than they were a decade ago. If you asked me five years ago, are markets on a never ending trend towards efficiency? And is your job as a systematic investor It's going to get harder and h…”
Daniel Mahr Nov 20, 2025 ▶ 39:59 Daniel Mahr – Glass Box Quant at MDT Advisers (EP.472)
Mar 23, 2026 neutral
Assertion Partly supported
Grantham: Index investing now represents over half the market
“Then it started to get traction, and in the last 25 years took off, and is now more than half the market.”
Jeremy Grantham Mar 23, 2026 ▶ 55:38 Jeremy Grantham – Bubbles, Value Investing, and the Long Game at GMO (EP.493)
Mar 23, 2026 negative
Opinion
Grantham: Goldman and JPMorgan will never tell clients to exit overpriced markets
“You will never hit a Goldman Sachs or a JP Morgan Tell you to get out of the market because it's ludicrously overpriced. Everybody knows today it's ludicrously overpriced, but no one can tell you, and they never will.”
Jeremy Grantham Mar 23, 2026 ▶ 28:53 Jeremy Grantham – Bubbles, Value Investing, and the Long Game at GMO (EP.493)
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