May 30, 2022 · 37m · allin

#AIS: Pear VC’s Mar Hershenson on making successful founders

Mar Hershenson · 19m spoken Chamath Palihapitiya · 4m spoken David Friedberg · 3m spoken Jason Calacanis · 3m spoken David Sacks · 1m spoken
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At the All-In Summit, Pear VC Founding Managing Partner Mar Hershenson demonstrates how targeted mentorship, high-density peer networks, and structured programs can systematically develop successful entrepreneurs and empower female founders.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. The hosts hold 38.2% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

The hosts as informed peer 2.3 Guest teaching 3.3 Guest disagreement 0.7 The hosts pushing back 1.3
05100:0010:0020:0030:000:29–4:46 · The hosts as informed peer 0/10 Examining Born Founders versus Natural Talent Monologue segment where Mar Hershenson delivers her opening keynote address examining innate founder traits versus nurture. Host scores are zero as hosts are offstage.4:46–7:47 · The hosts as informed peer 0/10 Stanford University and Peer Networks as Entrepreneurship Machines Monologue segment analyzing Stanford University as a founder machine. Host scores remain zero.7:47–12:01 · The hosts as informed peer 0/10 Analyzing High-Density Startup Mafias from PayPal to Rappi Monologue segment breaking down high-density startup networks like PayPal and Rappi. Host scores remain zero.12:01–14:03 · The hosts as informed peer 0/10 Accelerating Female Founders Through Targeted Peer Networks Monologue segment sharing data from her female founder cohort experiment. Host scores remain zero.14:03–16:54 · The hosts as informed peer 0/10 Founder Guidance, Early Intervention, and Keynote Conclusion Monologue concluding her keynote with practical guidance on reading, coaching, and gifted programs for founders. Host scores remain zero.16:54–20:33 · The hosts as informed peer 3/10 Panel Discussion on Representation, Scalability, and Selection The panel takes the stage. Chamath cuts off Jason's lengthy monologue to ask a direct question, and Mar playfully points out Jason summarized her talk for her.20:33–23:35 · The hosts as informed peer 5/10 Evaluating Media Coverage of Founders and Gender Double Standards Hosts discuss media double standards and sensationalism toward female tech founders. Mar humorously sharpens the distinction regarding gendered labels in boardrooms.23:35–29:09 · The hosts as informed peer 7/10 Comparing PayPal Friction Culture Against Tech Giant Comfort David Sacks and David Friedberg detail how high-friction environments at PayPal built resilience compared to soft corporate environments like Google.29:09–34:39 · The hosts as informed peer 6/10 Developing Resilience, Forcing Challenges, and Teaching Founder Sales Mar explains how she forces student founders to experience rapid failure by setting impossible 10x sales goals. Chamath playfully corrects Friedberg's use of the word penultimate.0:29–4:46 · Guest teaching 3/10 Examining Born Founders versus Natural Talent Monologue segment where Mar Hershenson delivers her opening keynote address examining innate founder traits versus nurture. Host scores are zero as hosts are offstage.4:46–7:47 · Guest teaching 4/10 Stanford University and Peer Networks as Entrepreneurship Machines Monologue segment analyzing Stanford University as a founder machine. Host scores remain zero.7:47–12:01 · Guest teaching 4/10 Analyzing High-Density Startup Mafias from PayPal to Rappi Monologue segment breaking down high-density startup networks like PayPal and Rappi. Host scores remain zero.12:01–14:03 · Guest teaching 4/10 Accelerating Female Founders Through Targeted Peer Networks Monologue segment sharing data from her female founder cohort experiment. Host scores remain zero.14:03–16:54 · Guest teaching 3/10 Founder Guidance, Early Intervention, and Keynote Conclusion Monologue concluding her keynote with practical guidance on reading, coaching, and gifted programs for founders. Host scores remain zero.16:54–20:33 · Guest teaching 2/10 Panel Discussion on Representation, Scalability, and Selection The panel takes the stage. Chamath cuts off Jason's lengthy monologue to ask a direct question, and Mar playfully points out Jason summarized her talk for her.20:33–23:35 · Guest teaching 3/10 Evaluating Media Coverage of Founders and Gender Double Standards Hosts discuss media double standards and sensationalism toward female tech founders. Mar humorously sharpens the distinction regarding gendered labels in boardrooms.23:35–29:09 · Guest teaching 2/10 Comparing PayPal Friction Culture Against Tech Giant Comfort David Sacks and David Friedberg detail how high-friction environments at PayPal built resilience compared to soft corporate environments like Google.29:09–34:39 · Guest teaching 5/10 Developing Resilience, Forcing Challenges, and Teaching Founder Sales Mar explains how she forces student founders to experience rapid failure by setting impossible 10x sales goals. Chamath playfully corrects Friedberg's use of the word penultimate.0:29–4:46 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Examining Born Founders versus Natural Talent Monologue segment where Mar Hershenson delivers her opening keynote address examining innate founder traits versus nurture. Host scores are zero as hosts are offstage.4:46–7:47 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Stanford University and Peer Networks as Entrepreneurship Machines Monologue segment analyzing Stanford University as a founder machine. Host scores remain zero.7:47–12:01 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Analyzing High-Density Startup Mafias from PayPal to Rappi Monologue segment breaking down high-density startup networks like PayPal and Rappi. Host scores remain zero.12:01–14:03 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Accelerating Female Founders Through Targeted Peer Networks Monologue segment sharing data from her female founder cohort experiment. Host scores remain zero.14:03–16:54 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Founder Guidance, Early Intervention, and Keynote Conclusion Monologue concluding her keynote with practical guidance on reading, coaching, and gifted programs for founders. Host scores remain zero.16:54–20:33 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Panel Discussion on Representation, Scalability, and Selection The panel takes the stage. Chamath cuts off Jason's lengthy monologue to ask a direct question, and Mar playfully points out Jason summarized her talk for her.20:33–23:35 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Evaluating Media Coverage of Founders and Gender Double Standards Hosts discuss media double standards and sensationalism toward female tech founders. Mar humorously sharpens the distinction regarding gendered labels in boardrooms.23:35–29:09 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Comparing PayPal Friction Culture Against Tech Giant Comfort David Sacks and David Friedberg detail how high-friction environments at PayPal built resilience compared to soft corporate environments like Google.29:09–34:39 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Developing Resilience, Forcing Challenges, and Teaching Founder Sales Mar explains how she forces student founders to experience rapid failure by setting impossible 10x sales goals. Chamath playfully corrects Friedberg's use of the word penultimate.0:29–4:46 · The hosts pushing back 0/10 Examining Born Founders versus Natural Talent Monologue segment where Mar Hershenson delivers her opening keynote address examining innate founder traits versus nurture. Host scores are zero as hosts are offstage.4:46–7:47 · The hosts pushing back 0/10 Stanford University and Peer Networks as Entrepreneurship Machines Monologue segment analyzing Stanford University as a founder machine. Host scores remain zero.7:47–12:01 · The hosts pushing back 0/10 Analyzing High-Density Startup Mafias from PayPal to Rappi Monologue segment breaking down high-density startup networks like PayPal and Rappi. Host scores remain zero.12:01–14:03 · The hosts pushing back 0/10 Accelerating Female Founders Through Targeted Peer Networks Monologue segment sharing data from her female founder cohort experiment. Host scores remain zero.14:03–16:54 · The hosts pushing back 0/10 Founder Guidance, Early Intervention, and Keynote Conclusion Monologue concluding her keynote with practical guidance on reading, coaching, and gifted programs for founders. Host scores remain zero.16:54–20:33 · The hosts pushing back 3/10 Panel Discussion on Representation, Scalability, and Selection The panel takes the stage. Chamath cuts off Jason's lengthy monologue to ask a direct question, and Mar playfully points out Jason summarized her talk for her.20:33–23:35 · The hosts pushing back 2/10 Evaluating Media Coverage of Founders and Gender Double Standards Hosts discuss media double standards and sensationalism toward female tech founders. Mar humorously sharpens the distinction regarding gendered labels in boardrooms.23:35–29:09 · The hosts pushing back 3/10 Comparing PayPal Friction Culture Against Tech Giant Comfort David Sacks and David Friedberg detail how high-friction environments at PayPal built resilience compared to soft corporate environments like Google.29:09–34:39 · The hosts pushing back 4/10 Developing Resilience, Forcing Challenges, and Teaching Founder Sales Mar explains how she forces student founders to experience rapid failure by setting impossible 10x sales goals. Chamath playfully corrects Friedberg's use of the word penultimate.

speaking balance: gold is the hosts, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · the hosts 6.7% · guest 93.3%0:00 · the hosts 6.7% · guest 93.3%3:00 · the hosts 0% · guest 100%3:00 · the hosts 0% · guest 100%6:00 · the hosts 0% · guest 100%6:00 · the hosts 0% · guest 100%9:00 · the hosts 0% · guest 100%9:00 · the hosts 0% · guest 100%12:00 · the hosts 0% · guest 100%12:00 · the hosts 0% · guest 100%15:00 · the hosts 29% · guest 71%15:00 · the hosts 29% · guest 71%18:00 · the hosts 66.9% · guest 33.1%18:00 · the hosts 66.9% · guest 33.1%21:00 · the hosts 89.1% · guest 10.9%21:00 · the hosts 89.1% · guest 10.9%24:00 · the hosts 83% · guest 17%24:00 · the hosts 83% · guest 17%27:00 · the hosts 98.1% · guest 1.9%27:00 · the hosts 98.1% · guest 1.9%30:00 · the hosts 31.9% · guest 68.1%30:00 · the hosts 31.9% · guest 68.1%33:00 · the hosts 52.2% · guest 47.8%33:00 · the hosts 52.2% · guest 47.8%36:00 · the hosts 62.4% · guest 37.6%36:00 · the hosts 62.4% · guest 37.6%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 18:54 Mar banterly deflects Jason's long summary

Mar playfully calls out Jason for delivering a long summary instead of a question, joking that he should deliver the keynote next time.

Hardest push from the hosts ▶ 18:24 Chamath cuts off Jason's long statement

Chamath directly interrupts Jason's extended commentary to ask if he actually has a question so the rest of the panel can participate.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 30:29 Mar details forcing failure through rapid 10x sales challenges

Mar educates the panel on her pedagogical technique of assigning students impossible 10x sales deadlines in one week to desensitize them to failure.

The host holds their own ▶ 27:35 Friedberg analyzes Google's risk-averse culture

Friedberg demonstrates deep domain knowledge of organizational dynamics, contrasting PayPal's grit with Google's failure to cultivate risk-tolerant founders.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicThe hosts as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementThe hosts pushing backWhy
Examining Born Founders versus Natural Talent 0300 Monologue segment where Mar Hershenson delivers her opening keynote address examining innate founder traits versus nurture. Host scores are zero as hosts are offstage.
Stanford University and Peer Networks as Entrepreneurship Machines 0400 Monologue segment analyzing Stanford University as a founder machine. Host scores remain zero.
Analyzing High-Density Startup Mafias from PayPal to Rappi 0400 Monologue segment breaking down high-density startup networks like PayPal and Rappi. Host scores remain zero.
Accelerating Female Founders Through Targeted Peer Networks 0400 Monologue segment sharing data from her female founder cohort experiment. Host scores remain zero.
Founder Guidance, Early Intervention, and Keynote Conclusion 0300 Monologue concluding her keynote with practical guidance on reading, coaching, and gifted programs for founders. Host scores remain zero.
Panel Discussion on Representation, Scalability, and Selection 3213 The panel takes the stage. Chamath cuts off Jason's lengthy monologue to ask a direct question, and Mar playfully points out Jason summarized her talk for her.
Evaluating Media Coverage of Founders and Gender Double Standards 5322 Hosts discuss media double standards and sensationalism toward female tech founders. Mar humorously sharpens the distinction regarding gendered labels in boardrooms.
Comparing PayPal Friction Culture Against Tech Giant Comfort 7213 David Sacks and David Friedberg detail how high-friction environments at PayPal built resilience compared to soft corporate environments like Google.
Developing Resilience, Forcing Challenges, and Teaching Founder Sales 6524 Mar explains how she forces student founders to experience rapid failure by setting impossible 10x sales goals. Chamath playfully corrects Friedberg's use of the word penultimate.

Statements from this episode (15)

Assertion Supported
Hershenson: Pear VC portfolio companies are worth over $100 billion combined
“I've worked for the last decade with hundred plus startups. They're worth over a hundred billion dollars”
Mar Hershenson May 30, 2022 ▶ 0:39
Assertion Supported
Hershenson: 42% of surveyed entrepreneurs started a business as children
“So researchers at Northeastern surveyed a hundred, hundreds of entrepreneurs, and they counted that 42% of them had started a business as a kid.”
Mar Hershenson May 30, 2022 ▶ 2:20
Assertion Not publicly verifiable
Hershenson: Repeat founders account for 59% of top unicorn startups
“And while there are 37% of founders, the repeat founders in companies today, 59% repeat founders are in the top unicorns.”
Mar Hershenson May 30, 2022 ▶ 2:42
Assertion Partly supported
Hershenson: 10% of unicorn startups have founders who attended Stanford
“10% of unicorns have founders that attended Stanford.”
Mar Hershenson May 30, 2022 ▶ 5:37
Assertion Partly supported
Hershenson: 40% of All-In Summit speakers attended Stanford
“In the All In Summit, I actually went through all the LinkedIns, 40% of the speakers attended Stanford”
Mar Hershenson May 30, 2022 ▶ 5:42
Assertion Supported
Hershenson: Former Rappi employees have founded over 100 new startups
“There's been a hundred plus companies created by Rappi employees. It's crazy. Even, almost 50 in Colombia.”
Mar Hershenson May 30, 2022 ▶ 8:42
Assertion Partly supported
Hershenson: Only 2% of all companies have all-female founding teams
“Two percent of all companies have an all-female founder team.”
Mar Hershenson May 30, 2022 ▶ 13:53
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Hershenson: CEOs in Pear VC's top 10% portfolio are reading machines
“I have actually gone and looked at our top 10% of our portfolio, and there's one thing those CEOs have in common. They are reading machines.”
Mar Hershenson May 30, 2022 ▶ 15:13
Insight
Hershenson: Assertive women in boardrooms are labeled 'bitches' rather than 'assholes'
“I'm board meetings. I look, you know, I'm not an asshole. I'm a bitch, right? That's the summary of the situation.”
Mar Hershenson May 30, 2022 ▶ 21:29
Opinion
Calacanis: Hit pieces on female founders get ten times more clicks
“If you go after a female founder, you're going to get 10 times as many clicks.”
Jason Calacanis May 30, 2022 ▶ 22:17
Opinion
Hershenson: Former Google employees have a surprisingly low founder success rate
“And actually, I think the rate of success of people that came out of founder of Google, relatively speaking, is not that high.”
Mar Hershenson May 30, 2022 ▶ 26:48
Assertion Contradicted
Sacks: Pre-IPO PayPal employees created more unicorns than all Google alumni
“There are more unicorns founded by ex-PayPal people than ex-Google people, even though at sort of the PayPal mafia, if you define it as the pre-IPO group of people who worked at PayPal, there were only a couple of hundred in the Bay Area, whereas Google had li…”
David Sacks May 30, 2022 ▶ 27:15
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Chamath: Facebook Growth Circle ran thousands of failed experiments weekly
“At Facebook we created, I created this thing called Growth Circle. We used to run thousands of experiments a week, and we used to have folks present every week, and it was just three hours of monotonous failure, right?”
Chamath Palihapitiya May 30, 2022 ▶ 29:38
Insight
Friedberg: Grit, action bias, and narrative ability predict founder success
“My big three predictors of entrepreneurial success are grit, persisting through failure, bias to action. Like you don't have an orientation to being analytical. You have an orientation to taking action. And a narrative”
David Friedberg May 30, 2022 ▶ 32:55
Opinion
Hershenson: Sales is the most important skill, yet universities avoid teaching it
“Teaching sales at a higher educational institution is considered, like, dirty work, so we don't even teach it, right? But it's the most important thing”
Mar Hershenson May 30, 2022 ▶ 34:11
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