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20VC Assertion Contradicted
McCabe: COVID mRNA vaccines were harmful while traditional treatments worked
“During COVID, it turned out that these gene therapies were really bad for you, and that these traditional treatments were really, really helpful. Don't slap your face like I shouldn't have said that, because it's fucking true.”
Eoghan McCabe Oct 11, 2024 ▶ 38:40 Eoghan McCabe, CEO @Intercom: Freedom of Speech, Censorship and Government Control | E1213 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
LENNY'S PODCAST Prediction Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Intercom Will Outgrow Every Public Software Company Next Year
“I think we're going to find ourselves being the fastest growing out of all relative to all public software companies.”
Eoghan McCabe Aug 21, 2025 ▶ 1:13:43 How Intercom rose from the ashes by betting everything on AI | Eoghan McCabe (founder and CEO)
20VC Assertion Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Very few tech industry figures are not voting for Trump
“And that's why everyone I talk to, it's very few people I talk to in technology who are not voting Trump at the moment. Very, very few. There are some people who are either triggered by Trump or they're they don't actually study a lot of these topics, but most…”
Eoghan McCabe Oct 11, 2024 ▶ 32:20 Eoghan McCabe, CEO @Intercom: Freedom of Speech, Censorship and Government Control | E1213 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Prediction Open · timeframe Oct 2029
McCabe: Most VC AI investments will underperform the S&P 500
“Most VC money is going to support a lot of excitement around AI and actually not do better than the S&P 500.”
Eoghan McCabe Oct 11, 2024 ▶ 8:10 Eoghan McCabe, CEO @Intercom: Freedom of Speech, Censorship and Government Control | E1213 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Prediction Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Global nuclear holocaust is super possible due to proxy wars
“That nuclear holocaust is super possible. Yeah, I mean, the United States and Russia have many thousands of nukes pointed at each other, ready to go, and the United States is fighting a proxy war with Russia. It's super easy for these things to tumble into nuc…”
Eoghan McCabe Oct 11, 2024 ▶ 47:58 Eoghan McCabe, CEO @Intercom: Freedom of Speech, Censorship and Government Control | E1213 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
LENNY'S PODCAST Assertion Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Intercom Had Around 40% Employee Turnover During Turnaround
“Could be something ultimately like 40%. So it was a big, big turnover over some couple number years.”
Eoghan McCabe Aug 21, 2025 ▶ 33:46 How Intercom rose from the ashes by betting everything on AI | Eoghan McCabe (founder and CEO)
LENNY'S PODCAST Prediction Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Enterprise AI automation will be super deflationary and boost competition
“What I think that all brings is just epic levels of efficiency. It's going to be super deflationary. There'll be a lot more competition.”
Eoghan McCabe Aug 21, 2025 ▶ 44:00 How Intercom rose from the ashes by betting everything on AI | Eoghan McCabe (founder and CEO)
LENNY'S PODCAST Prediction Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Sales teams will shrink as AI automates repetitive SDR tasks
“There is a lot of repetitive stuff in sales. And so you'll, you'll do more sales with less people. And there are SDR roles, qualifying, you know, basic questions. You're not going to need as many people in sales organizations.”
Eoghan McCabe Aug 21, 2025 ▶ 48:17 How Intercom rose from the ashes by betting everything on AI | Eoghan McCabe (founder and CEO)
20VC Prediction Open · timeframe Oct 2034
McCabe: Intercom has 10 to 20 years before AI threatens its existence
“I wouldn't be working my ass off an intercom if I thought that it was about to die and be crushed by AI in a year or two. So I think we've got a decade, two decades.”
Eoghan McCabe Oct 11, 2024 ▶ 2:01 Eoghan McCabe, CEO @Intercom: Freedom of Speech, Censorship and Government Control | E1213 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Assertion Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Intercom's AI bot outresolves every competitor on the market
“We now have the highest performing AI customer service bot. You look at everything that's on the market. They can't resolve tickets at the rate we can.”
Eoghan McCabe Oct 11, 2024 ▶ 2:48 Eoghan McCabe, CEO @Intercom: Freedom of Speech, Censorship and Government Control | E1213 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Assertion Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Intercom AI resolution reaches 50%, beating Zendesk's high twenties
“When we first released our AI agent, the average resolution rate was in the high twenties to high 20%. So that's the rate at which it successfully closes tickets when it gets involved in the conversation. And now, like I said, it's approaching 50%. I think Zen…”
Eoghan McCabe Oct 11, 2024 ▶ 4:14 Eoghan McCabe, CEO @Intercom: Freedom of Speech, Censorship and Government Control | E1213 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Prediction Not checkable as stated
McCabe: AI labs won't build domain-specific features over next 5-10 years
“That's why these AI application companies are going to win. That's why they're going to become so big, because I don't think at least in the next five, 10 years that any of the AI labs are going to build all the domain specific stuff.”
Eoghan McCabe Oct 11, 2024 ▶ 4:42 Eoghan McCabe, CEO @Intercom: Freedom of Speech, Censorship and Government Control | E1213 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Prediction Open · timeframe Oct 2029
McCabe: Klarna will eventually adopt purpose-built third-party AI systems
“And I think any attempt to do so may yield some short term excitement, but even Klarna long term, I'm pretty sure we'll move on to a professional purpose built system.”
Eoghan McCabe Oct 11, 2024 ▶ 10:18 Eoghan McCabe, CEO @Intercom: Freedom of Speech, Censorship and Government Control | E1213 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Assertion Partly supported
McCabe: Intercom banned internal political discussions years ago
“I introduced that years ago also, and we do not talk about politics and intercom, and I never do that within the company either.”
Eoghan McCabe Oct 11, 2024 ▶ 33:21 Eoghan McCabe, CEO @Intercom: Freedom of Speech, Censorship and Government Control | E1213 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Prediction Not checkable as stated
McCabe promises to defend employees attacked online for political views
“And if any employees ever attacked for their political positions online, Especially and particularly if there are positions that I disagree with, it's important that I demonstrate that these principles in those moments I will defend them.”
Eoghan McCabe Oct 11, 2024 ▶ 33:41 Eoghan McCabe, CEO @Intercom: Freedom of Speech, Censorship and Government Control | E1213 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
IN DEPTH Prediction Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Intercom will be completely done if AI is all hype
“We're certainly betting the entire company on AI. If AI turns out to be all hype, we're done. Completely done.”
Eoghan McCabe Sep 5, 2024 ▶ 31:26 Rebooting Intercom: Eoghan McCabe on Defying Silicon Valley Orthodoxy | Co-founder & CEO
IN DEPTH Assertion Partly supported
Intercom shipped the first AI service agent a year before Zendesk
“We shipped the world's first AI service agent in March, 23, a whole year and change ahead of Zendesk and HubSpot and all the incumbents.”
Eoghan McCabe Sep 5, 2024 ▶ 51:24 Rebooting Intercom: Eoghan McCabe on Defying Silicon Valley Orthodoxy | Co-founder & CEO
IN DEPTH Assertion Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Intercom AI bot resolves 48% of tickets vs Zendesk's 29%
“Zendesk Bot has a resolution rate of 29% or high twenties by our benchmark, which is the rate at which it successfully closes the ticket. Ours is currently 48% and that's what a year head start gets you.”
Eoghan McCabe Sep 5, 2024 ▶ 52:13 Rebooting Intercom: Eoghan McCabe on Defying Silicon Valley Orthodoxy | Co-founder & CEO
IN DEPTH Prediction Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Customer service work done by human seats will be replaced by AI
“AI is about to do the exact same in every category particularly categories of software for people to do work. So customer service, which is the one I focus on and obsess about for a living is about to be fundamentally changed because the work of customer servi…”
Eoghan McCabe Sep 5, 2024 ▶ 57:32 Rebooting Intercom: Eoghan McCabe on Defying Silicon Valley Orthodoxy | Co-founder & CEO
LENNY'S PODCAST Prediction Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Intercom's Fin Will Surpass $100M ARR in Under Three Quarters
“We'll pass a hundred million air ore with Finn in less than three quarters.”
Eoghan McCabe Aug 21, 2025 ▶ 6:27 How Intercom rose from the ashes by betting everything on AI | Eoghan McCabe (founder and CEO)
LENNY'S PODCAST Assertion Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Intercom Leads CX AI Agents in Revenue, Customers, and G2 Rating
“And in that category, we are the biggest by customer count, biggest by revenue, best by performance benchmarks. We win all our head to heads and our direct competitor bake offs. We're rated number one on G two.”
Eoghan McCabe Aug 21, 2025 ▶ 6:41 How Intercom rose from the ashes by betting everything on AI | Eoghan McCabe (founder and CEO)
LENNY'S PODCAST Assertion Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Intercom surrendered ~$50M in ARR to simplify pricing
“Like, I can't remember how much we wrote down, but we actually have already given away something like fifty million dollars in air or We've reduced the prices for a lot of customers just to give them way simpler pricing”
Eoghan McCabe Aug 21, 2025 ▶ 18:23 How Intercom rose from the ashes by betting everything on AI | Eoghan McCabe (founder and CEO)
LENNY'S PODCAST Prediction Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Future organizations will definitely be smaller and flatter with AI
“They'll definitely be smaller. They'll be flatter because of that.”
Eoghan McCabe Aug 21, 2025 ▶ 43:09 How Intercom rose from the ashes by betting everything on AI | Eoghan McCabe (founder and CEO)
LENNY'S PODCAST Prediction Not checkable as stated
McCabe: AI abundance will drive the value of automated content to zero
“The abundance of AI is going to make automated things worth zero, just like The value of cheap content on YouTube. Why do people subscribe to some channels and pay more? Why do people pay to rent movies? Because some things have more quality, more beauty, more…”
Eoghan McCabe Aug 21, 2025 ▶ 50:04 How Intercom rose from the ashes by betting everything on AI | Eoghan McCabe (founder and CEO)
20VC Prediction Not checkable as stated
McCabe: AI will eventually eliminate all traditional software development work
“In the fullness of time, increasingly powerful and abstract AI will do away with You know, all of the work we need to do today to deliver software experiences.”
Eoghan McCabe Oct 11, 2024 ▶ 1:44 Eoghan McCabe, CEO @Intercom: Freedom of Speech, Censorship and Government Control | E1213 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Assertion Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Intercom's AI bot resolution rate is approaching 50%
“The average resolution rate of our bot is now approaching 50%.”
Eoghan McCabe Oct 11, 2024 ▶ 2:56 Eoghan McCabe, CEO @Intercom: Freedom of Speech, Censorship and Government Control | E1213 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Prediction Not checkable as stated
McCabe: AI agents will be cheaper and better than human workers
“These AI agents will be way cheaper than humans while they're also better.”
Eoghan McCabe Oct 11, 2024 ▶ 11:29 Eoghan McCabe, CEO @Intercom: Freedom of Speech, Censorship and Government Control | E1213 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Assertion Not publicly verifiable
McCabe: Only one Intercom employee resigned over political policies
“There was literally one person who left.”
Eoghan McCabe Oct 11, 2024 ▶ 34:51 Eoghan McCabe, CEO @Intercom: Freedom of Speech, Censorship and Government Control | E1213 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
20VC Assertion Supported
McCabe: Intercom built a $100M business selling to SMBs
“We built a hundred million dollar business with SMB.”
Eoghan McCabe Oct 22, 2020 ▶ 15:58 20VC: Intercom Founder, Eoghan McCabe on How To Deal with the Weight of Expectation, Having Your Identity Tied To Your Company, How To Be Your Authentic Self Even with Stakeholders & Why There Are No Rules
LENNY'S PODCAST Assertion Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Intercom's Fin Grew From $1M to $12M ARR in Year One
“Fin, which is our AI agent, which is, you know, the future of the business, the thing that will disrupt the old business. It's, you know, growing north of 300%. It took off really fast, like all these other AI companies you hear of the first year. It grew from…”
Eoghan McCabe Aug 21, 2025 ▶ 6:06 How Intercom rose from the ashes by betting everything on AI | Eoghan McCabe (founder and CEO)
LENNY'S PODCAST Assertion Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Intercom built Fin beta within six weeks of GPT-3.5
“We were only six weeks into the launch of GPT. 3.5 when we actually had a beta version of fin.”
Eoghan McCabe Aug 21, 2025 ▶ 10:58 How Intercom rose from the ashes by betting everything on AI | Eoghan McCabe (founder and CEO)
LENNY'S PODCAST Assertion Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Intercom reached 98% to 99% leadership approval after overhaul
“We ran an anonymous employee survey, like, I think, It was 15 or 16 months after I started aggressively working through the org and rebuilding the org and rebuilding the culture. And we had a 98 to 99% approval of management, leadership, and new strategy.”
Eoghan McCabe Aug 21, 2025 ▶ 30:00 How Intercom rose from the ashes by betting everything on AI | Eoghan McCabe (founder and CEO)
20VC Assertion Contradicted
McCabe: Intercom was first to launch an AI support agent
“You know, we built, we were the first to come out with an AI agent that would do customer support for you, like actual conversations with customers and closing tickets.”
Eoghan McCabe Oct 11, 2024 ▶ 2:34 Eoghan McCabe, CEO @Intercom: Freedom of Speech, Censorship and Government Control | E1213 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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McCabe: SF Freedom Club had 3,700 waitlisted applicants and 500 attendees
“The San Francisco Freedom Club is designed to hold only epic parties four times a year for people to love freedom and all these other values. We got 3.7 thousand people on the wait lists. We invited 600 people. 500 showed up.”
Eoghan McCabe Oct 11, 2024 ▶ 47:16 Eoghan McCabe, CEO @Intercom: Freedom of Speech, Censorship and Government Control | E1213 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
IN DEPTH Assertion Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Every VC met in 2011 said $100M SMB revenue was impossible
“When I started Intercom and was raising a seed around in 20 11, every single venture capitalist I met, and you remember that kind of era, told me that you can't build a hundred million dollar revenue business in SMB. Like, it cannot be done.”
Eoghan McCabe Sep 5, 2024 ▶ 5:31 Rebooting Intercom: Eoghan McCabe on Defying Silicon Valley Orthodoxy | Co-founder & CEO
IN DEPTH Assertion Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Intercom pull requests rose 41% in 12 months after CEO return
“In the 12 months after I went back pull requests, which are the kind of atomic component of shipped code, were up 41% over the 12 months prior.”
Eoghan McCabe Sep 5, 2024 ▶ 37:34 Rebooting Intercom: Eoghan McCabe on Defying Silicon Valley Orthodoxy | Co-founder & CEO
IN DEPTH Assertion Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Intercom scored in high 90s percentile on employee survey
“We ran a An anonymous employee survey three months ago. We had 16 questions, and the questions were, you know I agree with the leadership of this company, and they will make us successful. I agree with our new policies. I agree with our new values. I agree wit…”
Eoghan McCabe Sep 5, 2024 ▶ 40:20 Rebooting Intercom: Eoghan McCabe on Defying Silicon Valley Orthodoxy | Co-founder & CEO
IN DEPTH Assertion Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Intercom reversed logo decline and accelerated revenue growth
“We're now seeing it in our numbers, we've got like six or seven quarters of accelerating Aurora growth Our logos were decreasing for two years. Now we've like turned that around and like total number of logos are now increasing for six months.”
Eoghan McCabe Sep 5, 2024 ▶ 41:38 Rebooting Intercom: Eoghan McCabe on Defying Silicon Valley Orthodoxy | Co-founder & CEO
LENNY'S PODCAST Assertion Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Intercom Ranks in Top 15th Percentile of Public B2B ARR Growth
“Currently across the business, you know, we benchmark ourselves against all the public software companies. There's like, on and 20 something B to B software companies. We're like in the 15th percentile for AR growth.”
Eoghan McCabe Aug 21, 2025 ▶ 5:53 How Intercom rose from the ashes by betting everything on AI | Eoghan McCabe (founder and CEO)
LENNY'S PODCAST Assertion Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Intercom suffered five straight quarters of declining net new ARR
“And we had five quarters of successive, you know, sequential decline in our net new error. And we were about to hit like zero dollars in that new error, which means we would have been in negative growth territory. We never got there. I managed to stop it befor…”
Eoghan McCabe Aug 21, 2025 ▶ 8:42 How Intercom rose from the ashes by betting everything on AI | Eoghan McCabe (founder and CEO)
LENNY'S PODCAST Assertion Not checkable as stated
McCabe: SaaS companies spend $20 to $30 per resolved support ticket
“Now when we did all our research, we found that many SaaS businesses were spending between 20 and 30 dollars per ticket resolved. We were spending 22.”
Eoghan McCabe Aug 21, 2025 ▶ 24:09 How Intercom rose from the ashes by betting everything on AI | Eoghan McCabe (founder and CEO)
20VC Assertion Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Intercom's total customer count is growing rapidly again after shrinking
“Our total customer count started to shrink. It's now growing very rapidly again after the changes I made, but it started to shrink.”
Eoghan McCabe Oct 11, 2024 ▶ 25:14 Eoghan McCabe, CEO @Intercom: Freedom of Speech, Censorship and Government Control | E1213 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
IN DEPTH Assertion Not checkable as stated
McCabe: Intercom raised its Series A at $23K in MRR
“We raised our series A when we had 23 K M or I specifically remember that”
Eoghan McCabe Sep 5, 2024 ▶ 6:52 Rebooting Intercom: Eoghan McCabe on Defying Silicon Valley Orthodoxy | Co-founder & CEO
20VC Assertion Contradicted
McCabe: Exceptional was the first product in the error-tracking industry
“It was the first in a very unexciting industry that would be called error tracking.”
Eoghan McCabe Sep 23, 2016 ▶ 4:07 20VC: Intercom's Eoghan McCabe on What Makes A Truly Great CEO & What Founders Should Look For In Their Investors
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