Gabe Pereyra
Co-Founder & President, Harvey. On 2 shows, 2 appearances. The Shows tab opens the full record on each.
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Gabe Pereyra is the co-founder and president of Harvey, an AI platform designed for legal and professional services. Prior to founding the company in 2022, he conducted research as an AI research scientist at Google Brain, DeepMind, and Meta.
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Pereyra: Client conflict rules mean law firms need multiple AI providers
“Most of these law firms and enterprises Can't rely on a single lab provider. So like there's a big risk if you're a law firm that if you just use Anthropic or you just use OpenAI you run into conflict risk. So imagine you're using only Anthropics models as a l…”
Pereyra: AI Pricing Will Likely Return to Subscription Models From Tokens
“Buying off tokens is insanely complicated. It'll probably at some point go back to something like subscription because it's hard to like forecast these things.”
Pereyra: Token billing will spawn an optimization ecosystem to counter model incentives
“I think you're going to start seeing things like this for token billing, where there's going to become this whole ecosystem of like, how do you optimize around this? Because you kind of have these weird misaligned incentives from the model providers, right? Be…”
Pereyra: AI models won't change senior partner or senior engineer roles anytime soon
“When we think of the best partners we've worked with, I don't think the models are doing what they do anytime soon. And I think what's interesting is I think the role of law firm partners actually doesn't change that much in the same way. I don't think the rol…”
Pereyra: Law firms will 10x in size again due to AI
“Law firms have like 10 X in size compared to before computers and the internet. And I think that's going to happen again, but in like maybe a different way than the past 20 years.”
Pereyra: Big Law work can be objectively quantified and unit-tested
“And I think there's a bit of a misconception that, oh, legal is subjective, so you can't do this. And I think the thing for especially big law is a lot of the work you can actually quantify, and this is what senior associates and partners are doing when their …”
Harvey plans to open-source general AI and monetize private enterprise infrastructure
“We think of our strategy as we want to open source the general stuff and work with all of the providers to make these models as good as possible at general legal. And then we want to build infrastructure for these law firms and enterprises that help them own t…”
Pereyra: Harvey is moving traffic to open-source models due to closed-model costs
“There's customers like us, where we do need to move some of our traffic to open source models because it's just becoming super expensive to serve like the largest closed frontier model.”
Pereyra: The billable hour enables standardized pricing of complex work at scale
“And I think something people don't appreciate about the billable hour and why it's such a good mechanism is, It lets you price incredibly complex work at massive scale in a way that the entire industry can agree on, right?”
Pereyra: AI research culture has completely abandoned open publishing
“That has completely changed in the sense, like, no one really publishes what they're doing anymore, and so it is harder to keep track of, like, the research breakthroughs and what's going on.”
Pereyra: Real software engineering lacks objective unit-test verifiability at scale
“I think you actually have the same problem in programming, where I think in the short term programming is verifiable, where you can look at unit tests, but once you get into real software engineering, like the unit, there is no unit test. It's like I deployed …”
Pereyra: Law firms are acting as Harvey implementation partners for clients
“Law firms are starting to do this for their in-house clients. So they're starting to go and take Harvey and go to their clients and say, Hey, buy Harvey and we'll help you build all the workflows and implement it because we have the scale and the expertise to …”
Pereyra: Building a tech-enabled law firm requires running two incompatible companies
“The big challenge that they ran into was, you're essentially just building two different companies, right? You're building a law firm, And you're building a tech company, and it's already really hard to, like, build product engineering, do AI, scale sales, and…”
Pereyra: 20% faster coding does not produce products 20% faster
“Making someone program 20% faster doesn't make you build a product 20% faster. And so starting to think about, like, what is the broader infrastructure you need so these companies can develop software and product faster?”
Pereyra: No Single AI Model Wins Across All Legal Tasks
“What we've seen is actually every different model is good at something different. And so with the initial results we saw, Anthropics models are quite strong, but there's areas where a 5.5 is better. There's some areas where open source is better.”
Pereyra: Model Selection Is Shifting to Lowest Cost per Task
“Increasingly, it's not just which model is the best. It's which model can solve the task at the lowest price point, because as these models get better, there's kind of intelligent saturation where it's like, okay, for some simple tasks, I actually want to know…”
Pereyra: Harvey queries cost up to $20 for drafts, $20k for reviews
“We have simple like assistant type queries where you say, you know, draft me a document that a single query can cost 20 dollars. We have like a review product where you can upload a 100,000 contracts and ask the models to review them, and some of those can cos…”
Pereyra: Legal AI reached an adoption inflection point in late 2023/early 2024
“I think we're just starting to see in the past six months that inflection for legal where the models can now generate entire documents and they're starting to work in a way where Most lawyers who aren't using this technology just for fun, they're like, this ne…”
Pereyra: Harvey Is Likely the Largest Embeddings Consumer for Some AI Labs
“I think for some of the labs, we are like the largest consumer of embeddings.”
Pereyra: Vertical AI Does Not Need Trillion-Parameter Models for Narrow Tasks
“A lot of these like very large frontier models are large because they're good at everything. And so I think a lot of the opportunity for these like specific verticals will be, okay, I probably don't need a trillion parameters if I just need the system to be go…”
Pereyra: Competition among frontier and open-source models will check AI pricing
“And so I think the same thing will happen with the model providers, where it's like, if you look at Opus 4.7 and 5.5, Opus 4.7 is three times more expensive than 5.5, but it's, you know, 10 or 20% more performant. But like, these are going to cause pressure on…”
Pereyra: Enterprise AI bottlenecks are orchestration and governance, not model intelligence
“When you get to that scale, a lot of the problems we're solving are not just model intelligence problems. They are these orchestration, governance, and kind of all of the enterprise product problems that you run into at scale.”
Pereyra: Harvey signed Walmart and works with AT&T and Fortune 500 clients
“So we recently announced we signed Walmart. We're working with AT&T, a bunch of these fortune, 500 large private equity firms, global 2000, kind of the largest consumers of legal services.”
Pereyra: Legal and Coding See AI Traction Because Both Workflows Are Unstructured
“Legal is so difficult is the workflows aren't structured. So the same way with programming, it's really hard until these models to build tools for programmers. You basically just had an ID and then programmers did stuff in all the different languages, but you …”
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