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Pereyra: Vertical AI Does Not Need Trillion-Parameter Models for Narrow Tasks

Gabe Pereyra · Harvey Co-Founder Gabe Pereyra on the Token Pricing Reckoning Coming for AI · Sourcery with Molly O'Shea · Jun 18, 2026 · at 23:21

Gabe Pereyra, co-founder of Harvey, explains how domain-specific AI products can achieve frontier-level performance while avoiding the high costs of generalist models.

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“A lot of these like very large frontier models are large because they're good at everything. And so I think a lot of the opportunity for these like specific verticals will be, okay, I probably don't need a trillion parameters if I just need the system to be good at diligence.”

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